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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 3:48:32 PM

Bullwinkle58

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REALLY??? The temp would actually drop noticeably at night?? What would you guess - maybe drop 10 degrees or more?

Jeeze that would explain a few things I always wondered about.
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I live in o ne of those two place you mentioend, and last week, in sub-zero-land, one day I recall a 26 degree F. swing from 0500 to noon. At noon it was . . . six.

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 3:53:50 PM

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Well, the reason I asked was because 30 years ago I was an infantryman in the Cal Army N.G. . And in January 1981, when Ronald Reagan was 1st sworn in as president, we were doing our 15 days A.T. at Ft. Ripley Minnesota for cold weather training.
We loaded aboard C-130's from Los Alamitos NAS, and it was about 74 degrees when we left California, but six hours later when we landed in St. Paul Minn. it was down to 4 degrees. A day or so later we went out to the field and set up our tents for the remainder of our time there.
The only time I saw a thermometer out in the field was one day on an M-60 MG range - inside a squad sized tent (with a little stove) and the thermometer in there read -35 degrees F (inside the tent). There was very little snow at the time (the entire time we were there - that made the mandatory cross-country skiing difficult), and mostly clear skies.
Anyway, one night, while sleeping in our sleeping bags on the frozen ground, I got so cold I literally couldn't breath - so - only wearing my skivvies, I jumped up and started running around (in panic) trying to force air in my lungs. I was really cold, and to
this day - I always wondered if the temp actually dropped below -35?
Overall, I thought Minnesota was a nice place - but you shouldn't camp outside there during the winter.

They routinely take 6th graders out for winter camping here as part of the public school science curriculum. A friend with a son in that class said the last one was canceled due to zero visibility and the governor closing the roads south right before Christmas. Otherwise they would have gone. It was below zero at night that week.

The key is to not get wet, and to not have any exposed skin, especially fingers and ears. If you're dressed for it sub-zero isn't that bad. I have ice fishing boots that are rated down to -80 F. Mylar linings to reflect heat back to the skin, and four-inch thick soles. You can't drive in them, but you don't get cold feet either.

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 4:03:47 PM

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Tower would even top them out. Despite living in Superior, all my news had to come from Duluth.

Tower and Embarrass are always fighting over who is colder. It's an elevation/dip in the ground thing. Cold air pools down low. Sometimes it's Internaitonal Falls, and that's what the nation at large usually hears, but in the MN media Tower and Embarrass are always one-uping each other. Sixty below happens sometimes in each one.

You guys down south miss the never-fails-to-be-funny local TV news story about hammering a nail with a banana, throwing a cup of water up in the air to make snow, or blowing soap bubbles that freeze in mid-air and behave like, well, frozen soap bubbles.

Every year the local science teachers assign the quesiton: "What will freeze more quickly at zero degrees F. if thrown in the air-- a cup of boiling water, or a cup of room temperature water?"

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 4:35:29 PM

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Its 44deg C outside at the moment, can you guys go somewhere else to talk about snow n stuff!!

last time I defend Australia! That's it! Another year without rain for you!

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 5:04:41 PM

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Hi, didn't realize we had so many peeps from Minnesota.... can you say WitP AE get together maybe? Say... Happy Gnome in St Paul for some beer and conversation. Just a thought.

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 5:25:01 PM

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REALLY??? The temp would actually drop noticeably at night?? What would you guess - maybe drop 10 degrees or more?

Really depends on were you are. Currently were in the UK were we are experiencing an unusual cold snap were the day and night time temperatures rarely differ my more than 10 degrees, infact were I live the temperature has been hoving around 0 to -5 C for the passed two weeks. In a hot deserts temperature drops of 30+ degrees is often he norm. This is why desert feels so dam cold at night, it's not the actual temperature but the difference that is felt. If you get a cold desert and drops 30 degrees it's brass monkey weather.

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 5:49:19 PM

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Hi, didn't realize we had so many peeps from Minnesota.... can you say WitP AE get together maybe? Say... Happy Gnome in St Paul for some beer and conversation. Just a thought.

Great suggestion! Such a great beer selection there. Delurium Tremens, anyone?

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 5:51:11 PM

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Most of my friends migrated that way after college. I was too hard care Wisconsin to do that.

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/11/2010 11:45:38 PM

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It can snow at any temperature but one of my friends (professional weather man) explained it to me like this.
The cold air mass hugs the ground only a few thousand feet thick and if there is a warm front nearby the warm air actually breaks up into small 'packets' and rides up over the cold air. As it does the warm air/cold air interface
forms a mini front and the warm moist air begins to precipitate out and walla snow at -25 below.

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RE: OT - Question about sub-zero weather - 1/12/2010 3:41:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: tanksone

Hi, didn't realize we had so many peeps from Minnesota.... can you say WitP AE get together maybe? Say... Happy Gnome in St Paul for some beer and conversation. Just a thought.

Count me in, Paul ;-).

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