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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 3:33:57 PM   
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Couldn't imagine it being Chancellorsville due to the heavy forest throughout that Battlefield.  Might be a open field there though.  HECK--I don't know.

Can we get a TINY hint???


A small hint, hey..........well.....IIRC....this battlefield has only two small monuments on site........unlike many of the battlefields which are covered.....does that help?

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 3:37:05 PM   
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Let's try a new area....I just remembered you were an Arkansas boy.

Wilson's Creek? Pea Ridge?


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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 3:42:29 PM   
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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 3:46:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mynok's thought on Wilson's Creek is good.  That battle isn't well known and few know of it long-term implications for Missouri going Union or Confederate.


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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 4:37:37 PM   
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Are we sure that the cannons pictured were Civil War era and could not possibly be Revolutionary War vintage? War of 1812?

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 4:51:25 PM   
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Let's try a new area....I just remembered you were an Arkansas boy.

Wilson's Creek? Pea Ridge?



Good point and I do believe he was in Arkansas this last summer

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 4:52:36 PM   
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I'll punt to one of the several artillerists on this site...

Are we sure that the cannons pictured were Civil War era and could not possibly be Revolutionary War vintage? War of 1812?

They are all single trail so that narrows it quite a bit. The greenies gotta be Napoleons - brass, no cascabels, no swell or reinforces. Pretty sure it's a CW field.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:13:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dang, we've named nearly all the battles that were large enough to have a park this big with cannon.  What's left?  Corinth (nah), Fort Donelson (nah), Resaca (nah), Atlanta (nah), Cedar Creek (nah).  I give up.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:31:40 PM   
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Let's try a new area....I just remembered you were an Arkansas boy.

Wilson's Creek? Pea Ridge?


A Missouri boy...thank you Brother Mynok.........this battlefield is about an hours drive from my parents home in SW Missouri........across the border.........in NW Arkansas.............so........Pea Ridge it is...........

Worth a visit.....not as grand as the sites in the east........although it is a bit out of the way for most folk.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:41:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Figures it would be Pea Ridge. I played that game ages ago. From SPI games and based on the TSS system. Wilsons Creek was another game in the series.

Those 2D paper maps will get you all the time.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:42:14 PM   
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Interesting...my dad's family spent many years in Missouri before heading to Montana, and my mom's is from St. Louis. Indeed one branch of the tree had seven sons fight in the ACW: 6 for the north and 1 for the south. It is quite likely that the union brothers fought at Pea Ridge though I've not been able to find evidence of it yet. All these were half-brothers of my great-great-grandfather.

The Confederate rode with Porter's Legion and died at Kirkville. One day I will get out there and see that battlefield.


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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:53:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Civil War is a very fascinating war to study from a historical standpoint, but the thought of officers trained and schooled in strategy and tactics of an earlier period and using them in the face of weapons that had advanced dramatically is horrifying.

The medical science was also atrocious. You literally were a side of beef to the surgeons of the time.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:54:55 PM   
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I'm sure they didn't think of the soldiers that way, but certainly it remains that their available tools were more suited to a butcher than a healer.


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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:56:12 PM   
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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 5:58:16 PM   
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And late spring....and early fall.....


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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 6:26:45 PM   
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Man, that battlefield looks hot and hazy and humid.  Ah, the South in the summer.


Hey Dan!

I have spent nearly 3 decades in Colorado and cannot imagine the humidity in mt home state of Missouri now. Whenever I visit it is Fall, Winter, or Spring. NO Summer!

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 8:14:49 PM   
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Pea Ridge it is...........
Worth a visit.....not as grand as the sites in the east........although it is a bit out of the way for most folk.

Pea Ridge ... !! ... you minimalist flying penguin, you! ...

Actually, thanks fabertong for reminding us that sometimes it wasn't the "big" ones that had the big results. Now people are gonna look up Sam Curtis and Earl van Dorn and maybe learn a bit.

Serious good on you! Keep 'em coming Penguin Boy.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 8:55:26 PM   
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Let's try a new area....I just remembered you were an Arkansas boy.

Wilson's Creek? Pea Ridge?


A Missouri boy...thank you Brother Mynok.........this battlefield is about an hours drive from my parents home in SW Missouri........across the border.........in NW Arkansas.............so........Pea Ridge it is...........

Worth a visit.....not as grand as the sites in the east........although it is a bit out of the way for most folk.


I lost a maternal great-great grandfather at Elkhorn Tavern. He was from Ozark, Arkansas.

A GGF on the other side did 60 days of emergency militia duty in NE Missouri on the Union side with all of his German in laws. I think everyone else in the direct lines were well outside the age ranges or otherwise didn't get involved, except for the fellow in St. Louis who lost a carriage and some other property since he was a Confederate sympathizer.

In Missouri, I have visited Boonville, Lexington (The Battle of the Hemp Bales), and Fort Davidson. The latter is located in the very pretty Arcadia Valley in the Ozarks. Lexington is a very pretty site on the Missouri River. Booneville has a casino, a prison, and some motels along the highway. Actually, it's a nice old river town, but probably an acquired taste, even for many Show-Me Staters.



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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 8:59:24 PM   
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Man, that battlefield looks hot and hazy and humid.  Ah, the South in the summer.


Hey Dan!

I have spent nearly 3 decades in Colorado and cannot imagine the humidity in mt home state of Missouri now. Whenever I visit it is Fall, Winter, or Spring. NO Summer!


I don't mind the summer heat. It's the allergies in the spring I can't take anymore. I wanted to die from the sinus infection I got the last time I was there in the Spring.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 9:08:23 PM   
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I'll punt to one of the several artillerists on this site...

Are we sure that the cannons pictured were Civil War era and could not possibly be Revolutionary War vintage? War of 1812?


Looks to me like Civil War. My guess is a Parrott and 2 Napoleons.

Edit: Pea Ridge, huh? Well I'll be. Gotta get out there some day.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 9:23:28 PM   
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Interesting...my dad's family spent many years in Missouri before heading to Montana, and my mom's is from St. Louis. Indeed one branch of the tree had seven sons fight in the ACW: 6 for the north and 1 for the south. It is quite likely that the union brothers fought at Pea Ridge though I've not been able to find evidence of it yet. All these were half-brothers of my great-great-grandfather.

The Confederate rode with Porter's Legion and died at Kirkville. One day I will get out there and see that battlefield.



I'm the genealogist in my family, so check this site to find out which units they served in, which ought to help your search: http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm
And just try to stop a genealogist when they start ranting on.

My dad's family moved from Pike County to Smuggler Colorado, and then down to Wagon Mound, New Mexico. My mother's branches from Arkansas and Kentucky joined up in St. Louis and stayed there.

Edit -- Missouri militia records here http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/soldiers/

Turns out I was bragging about GGF, he only served 43 days.

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 10:15:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think one of the things that perhaps confused some of the folks guessing......is the flatness of the terrain.........the ground at Pea Ridge is interesting.....on the drive around the battlefield.....it all seems flat.....but you slowly move up 'big mountain'.......and at the top get a fine view of the Boston Mountains..... a good few miles to the south.......before dropping down to Elkhorn Tavern.........the 'telegraph road' which was the main route during the ACM....is also a 'trail of tears' site.......I took my 8 year old twins........and they are still........5 months on talking about it.............

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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/15/2010 10:34:18 PM   
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I think one of the things that perhaps confused some of the folks guessing......is the flatness of the terrain.........the ground at Pea Ridge is interesting.....on the drive around the battlefield.....it all seems flat.....but you slowly move up 'big mountain'.......and at the top get a fine view of the Boston Mountains..... a good few miles to the south.......before dropping down to Elkhorn Tavern.........the 'telegraph road' which was the main route during the ACM....is also a 'trail of tears' site.......I took my 8 year old twins........and they are still........5 months on talking about it.............


You are one lucky father if you can get them out of the car for a battlefield. We've had much better luck with other types of sites in Missouri and Iowa, where my wife is from. And they like fish hatcheries and grave yards, so they aren't bad kids. However, they are still "California Challenged" when it comes to geography east of the Sierra.

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RE: Stones River.... - 1/16/2010 4:49:33 PM   
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It is in Tennessee, I was there back in '07.   I'll dig out some of the pics that I took.






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RE: Stones River.... - 1/16/2010 4:50:53 PM   
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RE: Stones River.... - 1/16/2010 4:52:00 PM   
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RE: Stones River.... - 1/16/2010 4:53:40 PM   
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RE: Stones River.... - 1/16/2010 11:19:50 PM   
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RE: Name the battlefield.... - 1/16/2010 11:22:58 PM   
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I'm the genealogist in my family, so check this site to find out which units they served in, which ought to help your search: http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm
And just try to stop a genealogist when they start ranting on.






I was disappointed in this website, as I couldn't find my GGGF who served in the Donalsonville Artillery of Louisiana. I am especially disappointed because my father retired as the SE Regional Curator of the USNPS (one of their ACW experts) and the man I was searching for was his GGF. Oh well...


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RE: Stones River.... - 1/16/2010 11:39:20 PM   
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