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What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 5:01:47 PM

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In honor of my retirment from my career as a Hero and acceptance into the Elite Guard (this is my 501st post). I thought it was appropriate to indulge in a pointless silly post.

In all of my posts, I have only gotten tangled into a forum pissing match once (it was a mistake...I told myself to take five deep breaths and grow up), posted to the Turd... I mean The Thread, twice (they were actually nice and responded kindly to my noviceness), and indulged in pointlessness about twice (OK, some of my posts are stupid, but I really try hard!)

To that end, I pose the question to those of you who were adventurous, bored, or silly enough to look in this thread: what type of ship is the most psychologically mature? Should you indulge in a reply, I am keenly interested in your rationale.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 5:21:15 PM

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Boise. A one ship Death Star.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 5:35:15 PM

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Every type VIII submarine. Oh wait, wrong theater...

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 5:47:41 PM

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In honor of my retirment from my career as a Hero and acceptance into the Elite Guard (this is my 501st post). I thought it was appropriate to indulge in a pointless silly post.

Why not.

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To that end, I pose the question to those of you who were adventurous, bored, or silly enough to look in this thread: what type of ship is the most psychologically mature?

Ashland class LSD

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Should you indulge in a reply, I am keenly interested in your rationale.

well ... um ... er ... because? I'm an amphib puke so you have to factor that in.

They are still playing, in one form or another, 60 years later. A very mature design for back than.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 6:00:13 PM

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Every type VIII submarine. Oh wait, wrong theater...

What�s a type 8 submarine?

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 6:13:30 PM

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Any type of xAK, AK, xAP or AP. Those are in the reason of naval warfare. If they make it to their destinations, you are winning, If they are sunk, you lose.

It is that simple.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 6:31:57 PM

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Every type VIII submarine. Oh wait, wrong theater...

What�s a type 8 submarine?

He means "Type VII U-Boat".

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 7:10:19 PM

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The Tincans the most underestimated part of any navy. (Fletcher class Fanboy)

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 7:18:57 PM

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Anything that can go underwater and can back up again.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 7:20:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

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ORIGINAL: Nux Mortis

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Every type VIII submarine. Oh wait, wrong theater...

What�s a type 8 submarine?

He means "Type VII U-Boat".

Correct, hit the 'I' key to often.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 7:22:41 PM

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A vessel, of and by itself, has no psychological maturity. Rather, one must look to the crew for this attribute. When one considers the various classes of ships in the PTO, I submit that the submarine is the most psychologically mature.

To (mis)quote a movie viewed a long time ago who's name escapes me, the submariner's view of combat strikes me as exceptionally mature:

- Either the enemy will spot us or he won't, if he doesn't no problem.
- If he spots us he will either attack or not attack, if he doesn't no problem.
- If he does attack, either he will hit us or he won't, if he doesn't no problem.
- If he does rupture the pressure hull at a depth of 300 feet, we have no problems remaining on this earth.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 7:56:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mistmatz

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

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ORIGINAL: Nux Mortis

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ORIGINAL: Mistmatz

Every type VIII submarine. Oh wait, wrong theater...

What�s a type 8 submarine?

He means "Type VII U-Boat".

Correct, hit the 'I' key to often.

I knew that you knew.
was just poking fun at you, in a funny thread hence the smiley.
But I forgot: AE is serious business

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 8:15:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: wwengr

In honor of my retirment from my career as a Hero and acceptance into the Elite Guard (this is my 501st post). I thought it was appropriate to indulge in a pointless silly post.

In all of my posts, I have only gotten tangled into a forum pissing match once (it was a mistake...I told myself to take five deep breaths and grow up), posted to the Turd... I mean The Thread, twice (they were actually nice and responded kindly to my noviceness), and indulged in pointlessness about twice (OK, some of my posts are stupid, but I really try hard!)

To that end, I pose the question to those of you who were adventurous, bored, or silly enough to look in this thread: what type of ship is the most psychologically mature? Should you indulge in a reply, I am keenly interested in your rationale.

Warspite1

Can you explain what your question means please??

BTW, Congrats on your Elite Guard milestone

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 8:20:53 PM

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I knew that you knew.
was just poking fun at you, in a funny thread hence the smiley.
But I forgot: AE is serious business

This is deadly serious business Mr. Mortis and not to be taken lightly...

Most Psychologically Mature:

Using a Maslow Needs model, it is clearly AO's and late 45 AE's. Most ships, with all other needs met, aspire to achieve their mission as their highest order need. This is, by definition Self Actualization. AO's and AE's mission is to help other ships achieve their mission. That is, by defintion, Transcendence, the highest order of all needs. On top of that, AO's and AE's can satisfy their needs in the most challenging environment... underway.

And seriously Feltan! What is reality if we cannot anthropromorphize objects? The crew? who cares about the crew? With the exception of the skippers, name one crew-member that is identified in WITP AE. Clearly, ships matter most!

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 8:42:19 PM

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The Iowa class battleships are the most mature... because having 9x16" guns means never having to answer silly questions about maturity, and blowing those out of the water who ask such questions.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 8:46:34 PM

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The Iowa class battleships are the most mature... because having 9x16" guns means never having to answer silly questions about maturity, and blowing those out of the water who ask such questions.

So, it's all about who has the biggest... ah... gun.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 8:58:04 PM

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Can you explain what your question means please?? BTW, Congrats on your Elite Guard milestone

Thank you. Here is a link to a definition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maturity_(psychological)

I guess you could take it as a variety of meanings. Anything from the ability to consent to... well, you know to the ability to respond with the appropriate emotion. It was intentionally vague in order to elicit any of a variety of responses.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 9:05:39 PM

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And seriously Feltan! What is reality if we cannot anthropromorphize objects? The crew? who cares about the crew? With the exception of the skippers, name one crew-member that is identified in WITP AE. Clearly, ships matter most!

Thank you for that thought Captain Bligh.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 10:58:20 PM

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Yorktown class CV. Out numbered, in some cases, out classed (because of self imposed limitations and by time!), in some instances, clumsily handled (Hornet!). Yet they took far more punishment than thought capable, and returned to action far sooner than would be expected later in the war, and suffered for doing so. Their descendants, the Essex class, showed many of the same characteristics, but were more mission capable to begin with.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/23/2010 11:14:22 PM

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Boise ? No, this ship obviously has anger issues.

Type VIII submarines? Not as mature as the Type IXs.

xAKs, xAPs, AKs, APs? The "reason for naval warfare" ? Hmm, sounds extremely narcissistic to me. Also you've got to question a ship which delivers men to a theatre of war but can't commit to staying around when combat gets closer.

Submarines in general ( or the crews which serve in them at least ) ? Hmm, that little adage sounds like an extremely cognitively distorted view of events. It seems utterly focussed on the avoidance of "problems". With maturity comes the realisation that problems have to be dealt with. Submarines are, at best, adolescent.

AOs and AEs: " AO's and AE's can satisfy their needs in the most challenging environment" Hmm, I don't know, that sounds like the tagline for a really high class hooker company. Ships which live only to "service" others are either highly dependent personality types with a need for external validation .... or engaged in the illicit "service" trade. Either way they don't tick the psychologically mature box. AOs and AEs I christen thee "Hookers of the seas".

SireChaos and his 16 inch gun mounts.... Sadly the Iowas are overcompensating for something, perhaps fear of weakness elsewhere? Maturity comes with being at peace with oneself, flaws and all.

Yorktown... I'm sorry Rev but coupling masochistic tendencies with incompetence does not emotional maturity make. At best the Yorktowns put the m into Naval S&M but not more than that.

ANd before anyone gets the wrong idea.... TONGUE IN CHEEK !!!!

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/24/2010 2:13:31 AM

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the Turd... I mean The Thread, twice (they were actually nice and responded kindly to my noviceness), and indulged in pointlessness about twice (OK, some of my posts are stupid, but I really try hard!)

Turd?!? Foul heathen!

Of course we were nice. We are nice. And pointlessness is what we are all about there. Come back and indulge some more when you get the urge.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/24/2010 11:24:15 AM

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All Japanese battleships except the Kongo class
Found eternal peace living deep in the mountains despite their ability to kill, rather than bullying around like USS Iowa class
That makes them the most mature ships ...

On the other hand, however, one can see them as "Otaku", typical Japanese teenagers disconnected from the society...

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/24/2010 11:46:21 AM

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All Japanese battleships except the Kongo class
Found eternal peace living deep in the mountains despite their ability to kill, rather than bullying around like USS Iowa class
That makes them the most mature ships ...

Isn't this neglecting their responsibilities though? Thats not very mature...

I'd say the heavy cruisers, on both sides. Despite the fact that they weren't the biggest or baddest around, they saw an admirable amount of action, and not always against comparable opponents.

Suppose I should mention that the IJN CA's going around with enough exposed explosives onboard to wreck them may not have been the responsible decision...

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/24/2010 12:21:05 PM

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Ah, yes, the selflessness of the CAs deserves some compliment

By the way, JuanG, love all your mods, just finished your scenario 42 Alternate WNT BB Variant as Allies (I think is version 9), started since last October IIRC - great experience (love the new ships on both sides), except I ruined it myself by adding two more US carriers on my side - this upset the naval balance completely and allowed me to stop the Japanese invasion easily and end the game in Feb 1943...

Really looking forward for your CV mod, playing as Japan
And the Ultimate BB mod...

Thanks for the mods!

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/24/2010 3:13:39 PM

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Kongo = Otaku. They have a role in life which they shirk in order to more closely emulate the mountain. And what's up with that superstructure? "Ooh I've got the largest pagoda-like superstructure on the plannet!!" Yeah but I bet your torpedo bulges are tiny !!! Sheesh.

Japanese CAs... Most people go through an experimental phase in which they dabble with self-destruction but very few people actually continue that experimental phase into adulthood in the form of walking around with a big can of gasoline stoppered only by a thin plastic cap over their head and an "always-exposed flame" in their hand. Sorry but a tendency to self-harm and do so in the most public and spectacular ways possible isn't very mature.

Japanese CAs are the "Emotionally Unstable Borderline Personality Disorders" of the ship world. They don't know whether they belong to the battleline or the torpedo line, they love drama and they can self-harm spectacularly at the slightest touch.

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/24/2010 5:22:02 PM

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To that end, I pose the question to those of you who were adventurous, bored, or silly enough to look in this thread: what type of ship is the most psychologically mature? Should you indulge in a reply, I am keenly interested in your rationale.

The most mature ship in any of the navies involved in the Pacific War is probably HMS Victory. I think she was "born" in 1769..., which gives her a leg up on even the USS Constitution.

The rest are just "children" by comparison...

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RE: What Type of Ship is the Most Psychologically Mature? - 1/24/2010 5:30:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: wwengr
To that end, I pose the question to those of you who were adventurous, bored, or silly enough to look in this thread: what type of ship is the most psychologically mature? Should you indulge in a reply, I am keenly interested in your rationale.

The most mature ship in any of the navies involved in the Pacific War is probably HMS Victory. I think she was "born" in 1769..., which gives her a leg up on even the USS Constitution.

The rest are just "children" by comparison...

Old enough to be back in diapers and eating baby food again?

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