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RE: D21 - A different approach - 1/30/2010 11:09:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice AAR. Your Northern approach paid off. Let's see how well the Russsians recover in 1942

What did you send to the North Cape to help the 20 Gebirgsarmee for the Murmansk operation?

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 1/30/2010 11:15:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Josh

Amazing AAR so far
Apparently your new approach paid off, less units in the south, many more in the Centre and North. The South must've been a peaceful place.
And as to post 28... that's not a pocket... it has the size of a country! You're really planning to go all the way to Sverdlovks?


Hi Josh,

Thanks! When Kiev fell, Soviet forces rushed east. I waved good bye, and didn't pursue. All the super river crossings in the south are guarded by a full division of infantry, and there are some divisions in reserve, and it's all quiet. I expect the 42' Winter Offensive to shake things up.

I'm afraid it is Sverdlovks or bust. I don't expect the route to be as well guarded as the advance towards Leningrad and Moscow.

18 March 1942 - Turn 78: The pocket is officially closed at Vodogada as Finnish and German forces converge on Soviets attempting to escape. The entire northern STAVKA army, god knows how many troops, are isolated. Romanians and Italians are being railed to replace German forces along the pocket's rim.

The 60th Panzer Grenadier Division is northeast of Gorky quickly advancing east to secure the river crossing at Kotelnich...


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RE: D21 - A different approach - 1/30/2010 11:23:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Silvanski

Nice AAR. Your Northern approach paid off. Let's see how well the Russsians recover in 1942

What did you send to the North Cape to help the 20 Gebirgsarmee for the Murmansk operation?


Hi,

SS KG Nord
163rd Inf Div
169th Inf Div
2nd Geb Div
3rd Geb Div
The entire 20th Geb Armee
4th Brandenburg made a drop (and survived) to close down the Soviets escape.

And a lot of patience since supply is a major issue.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 1/30/2010 11:38:32 PM   
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Turn 78 - The Pocket is Closed

German and Finnish troops converge on Vologda. The last door is shut. Once the remaining Soviets troops around the area are neutralized, the German forces will advance east to the Ural Mountains.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 1/31/2010 5:56:03 PM   
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Turn 87 - Gorky and Lots of Mud

The ice and snow turned to water with added storms to cause the landscape to become mud. 90 percent plus are in reorg. This lasts a fair amount of time, perhaps 8 turns or so.

Gorky is well within the Axis means as Panzer Divisions lead the charge towards the objective.

The massive Soviet reorg must have triggered a desperation mode. The Soviets are blowing bridges!!!

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 1/31/2010 10:23:05 PM   
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Turn 92: 6 May 1942 - Northeast of Gorky

The rains lasted from turn 82 to 91, inclusive. This is turn 92. Finally the weather clear sufficiently for the Panzers to press forward. During the rains, supply and assault strengths are crippled and the armees are thrown into disorg.

Case Blau theater option is available. Axis forces have until turn 117 to use this option. It will boost shock to 120 and supply by 5 for 10 turns.

The forces displayed on this map should suffice for the assault towards Perm and Nizhny Tagal. The 1st Panzer Division is breaking southeastwards toward Sverdlovks to clear a path and gauge resistance.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/1/2010 4:32:53 PM   
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Turn 95: 17 May 1942 - Gorky

The Axis forces are making a quick advance towards the objective. Once the city is captured, they will be ordered south to form a bridgehead then expand southwards.

I'm considering what to do with the Case Blau theater option. Tula and Ryzan affect the Soviets and are relatively close to Moscow to the southeast. This may be a good opportunity to clear that area.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/1/2010 5:31:33 PM   
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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/1/2010 6:26:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Da_Huge_D

What... I didnt know that Soviet's had 10th Shock Army in WWII. Typo?


Lol, yes a typo. Happens all the time. I'm like the master of typos.

I'm creating a new self imposed house rule because the scenario may break if I actually take Sverdlovsk and Nizhny Tagil. Axis forces will advance east as far as the mid-point of the Ural Mountains. This will allow Elmer a chance to break out/cut supply/do nasty things.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/2/2010 2:45:29 AM   
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First one is turn 76, before the pocket is closed. The other image is turn 93. The pocket is finally starting to crumble. It's a rather large area. Although the diameter is becoming smaller, unit concentration is getting larger. That's when I rail the artillery into position to start reducing the large stacks. The Finnish skirmishers in the north are coming into contact with Soviet formations attempting to make a break. The Finns go hunting...

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/2/2010 3:18:34 AM   
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Turn 97: Sverdlovsk -- Recon

The 29th Panzer Grenadiers pay Sverdlovsk near the Ural Mountains a quick visit. They replaced the 1st Panzer Division, which had to deal with two Soviet tank brigades. The area west of the Urals looks remarkably undefended. The 29th will break north to assist with the assault on Perm which will happen within the next few turns... But while they are here, they are blowing bridges and tearing up rail lines. The rail from Sverdlovsk is severed in multiple locations!

There are twenty turns left before I lose Case Blau theater option. Forces are starting to gather for an assault on the Tula area. This is the likely time to use the option.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/3/2010 1:25:25 AM   
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Turn 99 - Gorky

The SS LAH finally breaks into Gorky with considerable assistance from the 2nd, 9th, and 18th Panzer Divisions plus various artillery formations and 48th, 198th and 258th Infantry Divisions.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/3/2010 1:29:02 AM   
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Turn 99 - Southeastern portion of the pocket

The Italians drive a wedge to break off a piece of the huge pocket that was created by the early axis 42' offensive. Case Blau will signal the end for the Soviet forces in this pocket.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/3/2010 2:12:25 AM   
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Turn 99 - Perm, just west of the Ural Mountain range

It fell without a fight. The panzers continue east.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/3/2010 3:31:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		TURN 100 INVENTORY AND REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE




TURN 100 INVENTORY AND REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/3/2010 9:17:44 PM   
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Since last reported, Nizhy Tagal was occupied unopposed by the 20th Panzer Division. I spoke with Steve about the scenario, and he said it was fine for the Axis to occupy the eastern most cities.

The recon element of the 16th Panzer Division is on the west side of the Ural Mountains from Sverdlovsk. No resistance.

Kazan fell after a brief battle.

The southeastern portion of the large pocket is being constricted.

Ryzan and Tula were captured. The battles continue in the area with Soviet forces being pressed from the southwest, west, north and northeast. The outcome is certain.

Case Blau has not been activated.

The Soviets are highly disorganized. The defensive lines have gaps, which are being exploited. The Soviets are unable to build a cohesive defensive as the quick and mobile axis forces advance across the open terrain south of Moscow.

Panzer Armee East which comprises of the 20th, 1st, 3rd, 7th, 19th and 17th Panzer Divisions, the 25th, 10th, 60th, 29th, 53rd, 16th, and 25th Panzer Grenadier Divisions, the 11th Infantry Korp artillery, Romanian Artillery, and the 297th Infantry Division are quickly maneuvering towards Sverdlovsk. The final 1942 objective.

Case Blau Plan: Around turn 115, the forces used to capture Tula will be north of the Soviet's defensive line that runs south to the Sea of Azov. Case Blau will cross the Soviet's T and push the Soviets well away from Moscow. The likely objective will be the City of Voronezh, an industry City northeast of Kharkov. Also being considered is an option to blitz the Ural Mountain range to capture Chlvabinsk, Ufa, Sterlitamak, Magijogorsk, and finally Orenburg. Panzer Armee East is running south, fast, and mostly unopposed. The armee will have supply issues if it extends to Orenburg. The rail is being rebuilt under Axis control, but it is a slow process and only about 3-4 hexes a turn are being repaired. If the Soviet forces turn east to protect their rear, I'll occupied the area they leave behind. If the Soviet forces stay in position far to the west... 1943 will be horrible for the Soviets as Axis forces will likely drive southwest towards Stalingrad from the east... from behind.






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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/3/2010 9:30:21 PM   
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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 1:12:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		" as Axis forces will likely drive southwest towards Stalingrad from the east... from behind."

Now that's a first! Well done. And it's almost as funny as the text "Moscow 1.200km" ... to the WEST!


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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 6:45:54 PM   
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Turn 104 - 17 June 1942

Axis forces are preparing for Operation Blau. Depending on supply conditions, the operation will start no later than turn 115. With the collapse of the southern portion of the pocket, approximately 14 German infantry divisions were freed up to reinforce the jagged front lines. Romanians, Italians, and Finnish forces are guarding the pocket's rim alongside the other German formations. The minor country house rule prevents them from cooperating, thus German units are still required. The panzer divisions along the front are pulling back 30-50 kms as the infantry divisions file in.

Panzer Armee East has slowed its southern march. Technical information: the closest completed rail line is about 30 hexes away. If repairs are 3 hexes per turn, it will take approximately 10 turns for rail to reach their present location. Stopping them now to resupply is wise. Their advance will continue about the same time as the start of Operation Blau.

The dash line is the guestimated 1942 stop line.

There are a lot more Soviet formations present. Don't let the lack of red squares mislead the viewer. Axis recon levels are not very good.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 7:29:09 PM   
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Turn 104: Southern Front

The Hungarian Army holds the dangling flank with support from two panzer divisions. The river crossings to the west are all well guarded. I've placed the Hungarians here because they have a large number of replacements available. They are the hinge and won't advance much further until well into Operation Blau.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 7:37:24 PM   
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Turn 104 - Center Front

With the recent collapse of the Tula area, several Soviet pockets were created. Six gebirgsjäger divisions in Moscow prepare for rail to Panzer Armee East. The gebirgsmusikkorps plays them a rousing melody.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 7:43:07 PM   
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Turn 104 - Eastern Front

Panzer Armee East is on the eastern portion of the map. The panzer divisions on the front are slowly being replaced by infantry divisions. It will take quite some time to resupply the panzers, but they should be ready for Operation Blau.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 7:46:16 PM   
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Turn 104 - Panzer Armee East

This map displays the remainder of the Armee. This is the general vicinity they will stop the southern push until resupplied by the rail line from the north.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 7:50:16 PM   
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Turn 104 - Northern Pocket

The Soviets are still quite strong in the area. The Finnish hunters are doing a good job ferreting out the Soviet formations that headed north. It will probably take the remainder of 42 to close this pocket and it needs to close before the Soviet's 42 winter offensive as these troops are needed on the front.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 7:56:02 PM   
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Turn 104 - Remainder of Southern Portion of the Pocket

Many German infantry divisions are waiting for rail transport to the front. The Soviet pockets are collapsing. Heavy artillery bombardments reduce the Soviet stacks. If an assault is required to finish off the stack, it is conducted with overwhelming force. As noted before, these troops are needed on the front. The yellow forces are the Italians. Blue represents Romanians.

Btw, what graphic file can I edit to remove the entrenchment hexes? Thanks!

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/4/2010 8:17:59 PM   
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" as Axis forces will likely drive southwest towards Stalingrad from the east... from behind."

Now that's a first! Well done. And it's almost as funny as the text "Moscow 1.200km" ... to the WEST!


Thanks! It's been fun, but it's not over.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/5/2010 8:58:04 AM   
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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/8/2010 11:25:26 PM   
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Operation Blau

The axis forces were ready for Case Blau on turn 108 and so the theater option was used. The map displays the situation on turn 109. The dashed line is an outline of the situation at the start of turn 119. Panzer Armee East was counter attacked at Kazan, and the western portion of the armee dug in behind a super river to receive the assaults of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Soviet Shock Armies. The eastern portion of the armee drove south to capture Chelvabinsk, Manitogorsk, and Sterlitamak. The 120 shock bonus provided by the theater option was extremely nice. The shock returned to 105 after Operation Blau.

The supply lines are long and the rail repair crews are not replacing the rail quickly enough. The vast majority of Axis units are in the red, and need to stop. The mud turns are coming, which means both sides will enter into disorg for 10 turns, supply will dwindle, and assault strengths are greatly reduced.

I'm hoping that Saratov will fall before the Soviet's 42 Winter Offensive.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/8/2010 11:27:54 PM   
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Turn 119

The map displays the situation for the start of turn 119.

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RE: D21 - A different approach - 2/10/2010 6:11:12 PM   
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16 September 1942 - turn 130

The map displays the territorial changes since turn 119, 9 August 1942. Kharkov was captured. The rail lines towards Panzer Armee East and the forces near Saratov will take 10+ turns to complete. The mud season is starting in approximately 8 turns, which is fine, since the rail line repairs continue throughout the horrid storms. The area south of Panzer Armee East is now being challenged by the Soviets. However, the Panzer Armee is firmly planted on the sole rail line. The Soviets are making an awfully long journey across the plains to reach the Germans. German recon elements are dodging around the Soviet lines making a real mess of things for them.

The Italians were able to create a pocket just north of Saratov that contains approximately 8 Soviet rifle divisions and two tank brigades. The Axis artillery is in the process of removing this threat.

OKH expects Saratov to fall before the Soviet's 1942 winter offensive.

The air war has reached parity. The Soviets enjoyed a tremendous air superiority through July of 1942. The spearheads during Operation Blau advanced quickly and in several locations the axis artillery was brought to bear on Soviet airbases with devastating results. Currently, the Soviet airforce is massed at Orenburg. If Axis forces are able to quickly advance over the southern Urals, the planes stations at Orenburg might never fly again.

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