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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/3/2010 5:02:32 PM

spence

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So was the Battle of Midway. How many Japanese Players would hang around after a historical result such as that in June 1942? Or would the Allied Player be just like the real Japanese Army and not even hear about the defeat?

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/3/2010 6:05:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Reverberate

How can you continue play a game where something like this is can happen? These super subs, after finishing of two CV's, turned on and sank an escorting DD. MOI=WWI

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 27, 42
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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-158, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

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Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
CLAA San Juan

ues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Laffey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA Juneau
DD McCalla
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles

Not saying this couldn't have happened if you had more escorts but It looks like the the TFs are much too weak on ASW.
Picture it, you're a destroyer captian charged with protection of CA's CL's and CV's that's a tall order for 5 DD's

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/3/2010 6:52:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

quote:

ORIGINAL: Reverberate

How can you continue play a game where something like this is can happen? These super subs, after finishing of two CV's, turned on and sank an escorting DD. MOI=WWI

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 27, 42
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-158, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
CLAA San Juan

ues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Laffey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA Juneau
DD McCalla
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles

Not saying this couldn't have happened if you had more escorts but It looks like the the TFs are much too weak on ASW.
Picture it, you're a destroyer captian charged with protection of CA's CL's and CV's that's a tall order for 5 DD's

Especially when you are playing an opponent that knows his only chance of getting at the carriers is a wolf-pack of submarines.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/3/2010 8:28:17 PM

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I've seen Saratoga torpedoed just two hexes out of Brisbane while escorted by 4 DD's (she survived, out for 3 months), three of my S boats sank Kaga after hitting her with six torpedoes (two each), Yamato torpedoed by a fleet boat off of Milne Bay, three tankers out of 4 torpedoed and sunk off of LA (that hurt), one of my Dutch subs torpedoed a heavy cruiser off of Timor, and had a fleet sub torpedoed by an I-boat outside of Townsville harbor.

For some reason I don't find any of those particularly outrageous or reason to throw my hands up and claim the game was unplayable.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/5/2010 1:38:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

The same thing happened to me, I swear!

Hey! Wait a minute!!!! THAT'S MY LINE!!!!!!!

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/5/2010 2:17:32 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

The same thing happened to me, I swear!

Hey! Wait a minute!!!! THAT'S MY LINE!!!!!!!

You snooze, you lose, big guy.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/5/2010 2:30:34 PM

Charbroiled

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Reverberate

How can you continue play a game where something like this is can happen? These super subs, after finishing of two CV's, turned on and sank an escorting DD. MOI=WWI

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 27, 42
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-158, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles
DD Farenholt

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
CLAA San Juan

ues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Russell Islands at 112,137

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Laffey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA Juneau
DD McCalla
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Welles

I have no issues with these results. I would only have issues if it had happened to ME!!! If it had happened to me then obviously the game is borked.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/5/2010 5:49:44 PM

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Yeah, i don't see the problem. OP should study a bit more submarine warfare.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/5/2010 7:00:54 PM

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and Op seems still to refuse to give me his password...

Guess I have to assume his 2 other CV was sunk by our previously
CV battle...

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 12:34:10 AM

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Was that a pbem game or against the ai and what years are we speaking of? My subs aren't hitting anything. When they do its a DUD.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

I've seen Saratoga torpedoed just two hexes out of Brisbane while escorted by 4 DD's (she survived, out for 3 months), three of my S boats sank Kaga after hitting her with six torpedoes (two each), Yamato torpedoed by a fleet boat off of Milne Bay, three tankers out of 4 torpedoed and sunk off of LA (that hurt), one of my Dutch subs torpedoed a heavy cruiser off of Timor, and had a fleet sub torpedoed by an I-boat outside of Townsville harbor.

For some reason I don't find any of those particularly outrageous or reason to throw my hands up and claim the game was unplayable.�

< Message edited by Titanwarrior89 -- 3/6/2010 12:35:42 AM >

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 1:34:20 AM

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Most of those attacks took place in 1942, against the AI. My S boats especially were effective; the fleet boats not so much, although now that I'm in early 1943, they are getting a lot more hits.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 1:51:47 AM

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Personally I don't see how a sub can get away with 3 attacks on a Carrier, sink it, and not get murdered by the rest of the fleet, half of which are Destroyers. That sub shouldn't have even escaped. Obviously the crews of these ships are less than desirable.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 2:13:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: V22 Osprey

Personally I don't see how a sub can get away with 3 attacks on a Carrier, sink it, and not get murdered by the rest of the fleet, half of which are Destroyers. That sub shouldn't have even escaped. Obviously the crews of these ships are less than desirable.

It wasn't 1 sub making 3 attacks. It was 3 subs making 5 attacks. And there were 12 ships in the TF, only 5 were DDs.

For a historical example of how this result is possible: after the battle of Midway, the damaged CV Yorktown had an escort of 7 DDs. One sub, I-168, attacked and sank both Yorktown and DD Hammann, and got away without any damage.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 2:16:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I completely agree, check out this BS that just happened to me. No way this could happen!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 15, 42
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Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
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Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack near Lunga at 114,139

Japanese Ships
SS I-19, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Wasp, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB North Carolina
CA Canberra
CA Vincennes
CA Chicago
CL Boise
CLAA San Juan
DD O'Brien, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Laffey
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Knavey
DD Farenholt

3 Attacks in one phase? With 2 ships sunk? Borked!

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 2:32:18 AM

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AT least you got a Destroyer named after you :)

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 2:36:35 AM

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I am glad...they are less likely to get sunk it seems!

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 6:12:19 AM

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Dont forget theres some factors...

Not ALL DD's have ASW capability... when create an ASW TF you will note not all can be used...those were DD's with bigger guns
and other stuff for surface/air defense.

Also in AE, Dd's have to reload DC's.. if a TF moving comes under several
sub attks as it moves...the DD's in the TF may drop to zero DC load and so be unable to do ASW

Simply dropping in a Ports not going reload the ship, has to be with supply, and a port size and/or in port disbanded a tender..

Theres no unlimited supply of DC's for Dd's to use vlike while escorting an TF from say Sanf to Australia.

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RE: That's it for me..... - 3/6/2010 12:25:04 PM

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quote:

For a historical example of how this result is possible: after the battle of Midway, the damaged CV Yorktown had an escort of 7 DDs. One sub, I-168, attacked and sank both Yorktown and DD Hammann, and got away without any damage.

Actually, I-168 was severely damaged by the counterattacks of the US destroyers and just barely made an escape. During the counterattack Tanabe managed to put a bit of space between himself and the still floating Yorktown. With a flooded torpedo room and a leaking manuvering room he resolved to surface to fight it out as best he might but the DDs didn't see him right off as they had returned to screen the Yorktown rather than pressing home their attacks. Emergency repairs were quickly made to allow him to submerge again and he made good his escape.

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