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Languages used in this forum - 11/22/2000 6:40:00 PM   
Viriato

 

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From: Lisboa,Portugal
Status: offline 		Hello all . I already thought in posting this topic a couple of weeks ago but then I lost track and the thing slipped my mind ... But ok now is as good time as any , I'm speaking of using our own languages to start topics on the forum , ok , I know it way easier to write in our own language than in english but doesn't that take away the spirit of this forum that is to help one another or to share ideas with " ALL " that participate ? for example , I understand spanish ( Castelhano ) , French , english and portuguese ( sou Portuga tá claro ) but I don't have a clue of Finn or German or Japonese or any other language , and maybe if you start a thread in one of those I ( and most of us ) loose info or maybe we could help and don´t know about it ... I don't know , maybe I'm wrong , maybe I'm right , how about you people , what do you think ???? ------------------ A sorte protege os audazes

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- 11/22/2000 6:58:00 PM   
GrinningDwarf

 

Posts: 92
Joined: 11/3/2000
From: Payne's Creek, CA USA
Status: offline 		I don't have a problem with people posting in various languages. Maybe they feel they can adequately express their ideas in their native language. There's nothing wrong with that. Besides, even if I can't read the languages, I think it really gives this forum an international feel. I post quite a bit on the Star Fleet Command forum and people post on there from around the world, too, but this forum truely feels international as well. Just one man's opinion.

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- 11/22/2000 7:16:00 PM   
JTV

 

Posts: 47
Joined: 9/11/2000
From: Finland
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Originally posted by Viriato: Hello all . But ok now is as good time as any , I'm speaking of using our own languages to start topics on the forum , ok , I know it way easier to write in our own language than in english but doesn't that take away the spirit of this forum that is to help one another or to share ideas with " ALL " that participate ? for example , I understand spanish ( Castelhano ) , French , english and portuguese ( sou Portuga tá claro ) but I don't have a clue of Finn or German or Japonese or any other language , and maybe if you start a thread in one of those I ( and most of us ) loose info or maybe we could help and don´t know about it ... I don't know , maybe I'm wrong , maybe I'm right , how about you people , what do you think ????
Well, only non-english topic that I have written is "All Finns out there!!!" and what we have been talking there are making of Finnish maps (that are based to real maps), Finnish scenarios (of real historical battles) and where to get info for doing those. As there are just about 0% possibility of making neither of these without books written in finnish (only place where to find maps and battle discriptions) you are not loosing much. :-) If you really want to discuss what kind of tanks and assault guns Soviets used in Ihantala, answer somebody asking materials for doing a map for Näykkijärvi scenario where to find those and comment which Finnish units participated most to Kuuterselkä battle maybe we should really start writing in english ;-)

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- 11/22/2000 7:24:00 PM   
skukko


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Joined: 10/24/2000
From: Finland
Status: offline 		Fins are talking about 'Winter War' and scenario-desingning and actuall battles. I believe that if they are going to do something important, - it will be informed in english. sisua poijat: another fourlanguage clown from Finland.

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- 11/22/2000 8:04:00 PM   
Warhorse


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From: Birdsboro, PA, USA
Status: offline 		Viriato, thanks so much for your consideration! This does not bother me either, I figure(unless they don't know any english), that if a question for everyone, they will post in the right place!!;-) I only wish I knew more languages than my native english, you folks that know more than one are very gifted!! ------------------ Mike Amos Meine Ehre Heisst Treue

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- 11/22/2000 10:04:00 PM   
Gallo Rojo


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Joined: 10/26/2000
From: Argentina
Status: offline 		I started the “Cuantos Hispano Hablantes hay jugando al Panteras de Acero Mundo en Gerra” (How many Spanish speakers are playing SPWaW) post. The aim of this post was to meet the others Spanish/Italian/Portuguese and other Latin language speakers). I have saw topics in other not English languages and I thought that it was a good idea. I agree that is good that we all can participate from at the Forum. But I have some friends that can’t write in English although they can read. So some topics in Spanish could help them. In addition, some times English speakers use slang or local expressions or cut the words so I can’t completely understand what they’re saying. So that some topics in Spanish could be god in order to help another spanish speaker. I don’t believe that this Forum could became some kind of “Babel’s Tower” on which every of us start to writhe in our own languages because of that. If you see, the big majority of the topics are in English. I started some topics in English besides the Spanish ones. Finally, it was really nice to meet others Spanish and Latin Languages speakers playing this great game. My computer screen seems warmest when I see something writing in my native language. Best regards Variato, Venha e poste uma resposta em nosso tópico de locutores espanhol!

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- 11/22/2000 11:04:00 PM   
Wild Bill

 

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From: Smyrna, Ga, 30080
Status: offline 		I personally have no objection to various languages being used on this forum. Naturally I don't understand most of them, but I'm delighted that folks from all over the world have joined us. Some people are very uncomfortable with English. This is a world wide forum. They express themselves much better in their own tongue. So let's give them that consideration. Gallo's desire to know how many of hispanic background is also a legitimate post to the forum. So there is no problem on this end. You are all welcome here. Wild Bill ------------------ In Arduis Fidelis Wild Bill Wilder Coordinator, Scenario Design Matrix Games

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- 11/23/2000 3:45:00 AM   
gorgias96

 

Posts: 122
Joined: 9/29/2000
From: Spain
Status: offline 		Pero hombre esto es lo último ¿Tu que prefieres hablar en portugues o en ingles? A parte de que me expreso mejor en español (como es lógico). Es que veo un tonteria tener que escribirlo todo en ingles ¿Por que tenemos nosotros que aprender ingles y no pueden los ingleses aprender, español o portugues? Tu me diras, pues para que podamos entendernos el mayor número de gente posible. Bien he ahí el quid de la question. Si yo quiero que me entienda el mayor número de gente ya escribiré mi apartado en ingles o en chino mandarín si hace falta. Pero si solo quiero hablar con "hispanos" o "iberos" pues posteo en lengua romance y tan pancho que me quedo. Si algun "ingles" tiene interes en comprenderme (que no creo) pues que aprenda español, que el saber no ocupa lugar. Ya está bien de darle tanta cancha al ingles. Es util, pero de ahí a que tenga que ser omnipresente media un abismo.

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- 11/23/2000 3:47:00 AM   
gorgias96

 

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Joined: 9/29/2000
From: Spain
Status: offline 		Ahh se me olvidaba. Tu mejor que nadie deberias saber que "Roma no paga a traidores" jejeje (es broma)

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- 11/23/2000 4:06:00 AM   
Fabs

 

Posts: 444
Joined: 6/5/2000
From: London, U.K.
Status: offline 		I speak English, French, Italian, Spanish and some German (the only language I learnt at school, I'm afraid). I haven't a clue about Finnish, but the Finnish threads don't bother me. Most of the other threads cover topics that have been well explored in other English threads, or more specialized topics that are of particular interest to the speakers of those particular languages. One thing I admire about the English speaking cultures is their tolerance. English has truly become the "lingua franca" of the modern era, the best excuse for most English speakers not to have to learn other people's languages. Anyone from a country where English is not the national language can improve his/her cultural horizons and economic potential by learning English. Within the English speaking world there are shauvinistic minorities that mis-interpret this situation and resent when people use a language different to English. Despite the advantage these people have in counting the international "lingua franca" as their own, these people are just as provincial as the ones from other countries that, for one reason or another, refuse to learn English or, paradoxically, refuse to use English despite having an excellent command of the language on nationalistc grounds. The English speaking cultures have given the modern world the best model of freedom of expression. This includes choosing to express oneself in whatever language whenever one whishes to. I think this forum gains a lot by welcoming opinions, ideas and exchanges in whatever language they are expressed. ------------------ Fabs [This message has been edited by Fabs (edited November 22, 2000).]

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- 11/23/2000 4:51:00 AM   
ruxius

 

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From: ITALY
Status: offline 		Uhm ..I think that is normal and acceptable that people uses his own language to communicate..I don't believe it's a will to be apart from others ...For instance I can explain why I would prefer talking in my Italian instead of using English... simply because in Italian I can express my ideas with all the enphasis and skill that I lerned in my life in using Italian..it's quickly , simpler , and more precise to me, it's grammatically correct.. :-))))) , and what's more you are also sure that the others understand exactly what you mean ! this could be terribly difficult in English ! But I am writing also to let people know that I often would like to understand all the slangs that native English writers usually put in e-mails..but I have to stop myself in front of blind seeking in my dictionary !..This keeps me out from sharing the conversation...I can not talk about what I do not understand..sometimes it's a pity because I find many interesting themes...so please when you virtually speak to the world remember also that we are wondering about what you are meaning !!! Obviously I do not intend to disturb English people that would like to have his own native English conversation...they have the same right we have when we decide to speak in Italian , Spanish or German ( and surely Finnish Portugaise French ecc.ecc. ) That's all...(it would be more in Italian..) but as I told you... :-)))

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- 11/23/2000 7:30:00 AM   
gorgias96

 

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Joined: 9/29/2000
From: Spain
Status: offline 		¿Do you understand the spanish Ruxius (written of course)?

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- 11/23/2000 10:36:00 AM   
Whitley, Grant

 

Posts: 327
Joined: 9/19/2000
From: Carolina del Norte
Status: offline 		Tal vez no somos tantos los anglosajones quienes hablan español, :-) pues yo diría que las escuelas tienen la culpa. Me gusta mucho estudiar idiomas extranjeros, pues casi había completado el colegio antes de que podía ingresarme en algún curso de español o cualquier otro idioma extranjero. Bueno, siguen posteando y los que tienen una copia de TOAW pueden jugar mis escenarios sobre el conflicto Ecuador-Peru, también uno en producción sobre una guerra hipotética España-Marruecos a fines de 1975. Vendrá uno más en que Chile y Argentina se encuentran en un estado de guerra sobre la soberanía de Tierra del Fuego. Bueno, ojalá que tenga la oportunidad de hacerlo. ;-) ¡Porfavor comiezan hiciendo sus propios escenarios! ¡Para SPWAW, o mejor para la TOAW, en particular los conflictos modernos!

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- 11/23/2000 2:40:00 PM   
ruxius

 

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Originally posted by gorgias96: ¿Do you understand the spanish Ruxius (written of course)?
Sorry , I did not studied it at school... but I have to say that the general meaning sometimes could be clear if a fellow like the one who wrote next to my post here uses a lot of words that are similar in Italian.. Obviously I am not sure of all things he is talking about... Hystorically English is the international language...as regards science and economy ecc.ecc....nothing to say about this...maybe if Germans won the last war today we should learn their language as primarily one..I only say that I am very glad today we are non forced to speak in Arabian!!!

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- 11/24/2000 3:17:00 AM   
Viriato

 

Posts: 95
Joined: 9/30/2000
From: Lisboa,Portugal
Status: offline 		Hello all , thanks for your opinions on this , maybe I had a diferent idea before reading your opinions and now I agree that the use of diferent languages isn't all that bad ... hey , live and learn , if you can't beat them ,join them . Again people , thanks for your opinions , this is what this forum is all about .

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- 11/24/2000 4:01:00 AM   
Viriato

 

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Joined: 9/30/2000
From: Lisboa,Portugal
Status: offline 		para gorgias96 ... mira hombre mi español no es grande cosa , es claro que prefiro hablar en portugues pero si lo faço es que tu comprendes ? lo digo porque por norma los espanholes no tentan comprender lo portugues e lo que ovimos es " no comprendo portugues ... " Ok I give up , I spent 5 minutes just for writing the lines above ( yes my falt i should write better spanish i know ... ) gorgias96 I couldn't agree with you more ,el saber no ocupa lugar , we all should try to learn more , specially languages , on the other hand , don't "some" spanish just say they don't speak portuguese and have for granted that we have to speak spanish ? ( before you release the dogs on me remember I said " some " )I say this because I work on a call center for international clients and sometimes I have BIG PROBLEMS trying to speak to some of our spanish clients , I do my best to understand them but when I try to speak my poor spanish ( yes I read and listen better then I speak ) or portuguese they just turn and say , no comprendo , man that just pisses me off , so I speak english on them hehehehehe .... All in all I do agree with your post and with what you say there , thanks for your opinion , by the way , if you come across any good portuguese to spanish e-dictionary or english to spanish please send me the address that would help me a lot in work ( really , I'm not joking ) again thanks for your post . ps - what the hell do you mean by "Roma no paga a traidores" ? came here and I'll kick your a...ss ( hehehehehehe , estou a brincar ... , um abraço , J. ) ------------------ A sorte protege os audazes

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- 11/25/2000 2:53:00 AM   
gorgias96

 

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From: Spain
Status: offline 		Es verdad que los españoles no comprenden a los portugueses. Sobre todo si es hablando. Realmente la manera de pronunciar que teneis es muy "retorcida" jeje para nosotros y no entendemos bien lo que decis. Pero solo si hablais, si escribis eso ya es otra cuestion. De hecho escribe en protugues siempre que quieras pues se entiende todo. Si ademas estas acostumbrado a leer castellano antiguo te das cuenta que es casi igual. Si alguna vez un español dice que no te entiende coge una hoja de papel y escribeselo veras como todo cambia. Desde luego puestos a escribir en ingles o portugues prefiero que lo hagas en el ultimo, pues tardo en leerlo menos de la mitad que en "barbaro". "Roma no paga a traidores" ¿No sabes lo que quiero decir? ¿No te llamas Viriato? Deberias saberlo jeje A ver haz memoria ¿Como murió Viriato? Hasta ahora

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- 11/25/2000 8:40:00 AM   
David boutwell

 

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From: Haymarket, Virginia, USA
Status: offline 		One of the main limitations to my research of battles is my inability to search WWII related sites in other languages for important info. (examples: some great tank sites in Japanese, very detailed tank sites in Russian) read after action reports, captured documents, etc., request info. from the military archives of other countries... Being a science teacher in the Washington DC area, I teach kids from all over the world. I've had kids describe RPG rounds flying past their bedroom windows in Afghanistan, had them mention their cousins and uncles who were guerrillas in Central America...and I teach them with equal enthusiasm. I have no problem with people using their own language in this forum, or anywhere else. My regret is that I know that they are talking about some pretty cool stuff, and I can't understand a darn thing that they are saying! As for those of you who have trouble understanding American slang....Just ask us for some clarification...In Texas, if it is very cold, we often say, "colder than a well digger's butt (really we say _ss), or my grandfather, who was a cavalry (horse) trooper under Patton (and meaner'n hell), at Fort Clark in Southwest Texas,would say hotter'n a fresh (word deleted, begins with F) sheep in a pepper patch. We Americans can really butcher a language. If you don't believe me, teach high school kids for a while!

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- 11/26/2000 7:42:00 AM   
Greg McCarty

 

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Originally posted by Viriato: Hello all . I already thought in posting this topic a couple of weeks ago but then I lost track and the thing slipped my mind ... But ok now is as good time as any , I'm speaking of using our own languages to start topics on the forum , ok , I know it way easier to write in our own language than in english but doesn't that take away the spirit of this forum that is to help one another or to share ideas with " ALL " that participate ? for example , I understand spanish ( Castelhano ) , French , english and portuguese ( sou Portuga tá claro ) but I don't have a clue of Finn or German or Japonese or any other language , and maybe if you start a thread in one of those I ( and most of us ) loose info or maybe we could help and don´t know about it ... I don't know , maybe I'm wrong , maybe I'm right , how about you people , what do you think ????
I can't speak much of anything but English, but the way I see it, the multilingual folks will make it clear if they want to share ideas, and most everybody knows enough English to help any of us when we plead for it. There are times when I wish I could read Finnish, cause I find their point of view on history interesting. But I imagine that any developer that wants to upload will try to help us single language folks out. I suppose the reason some wish to start native language threads is simply because its easier, and attracts game contacts from their own country. A sort of a comfort thing. ------------------ Greg. 37 mill AA... can suddenly ruin your day.

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