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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 5:06:08 PM

Athalian

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Will the construction ship loosing its place while building a station on a planet if given que orders fixed? This also sometimes happen to ships under construction when i give it a fleet. Found one of my ships half constructed floating in space :S

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 5:21:46 PM

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I see DW about the same as 16th-17th century Britain in scope. They had a world wide empire and it took months in the time of sail to get messages sent. That said, the captain of a ship upon seeing pirates did not send for permission to attack and sink the pirate ship either. That is how I envision what is going on with my ships near border worlds.

For corruption/inefficency/AE or whatever name it is eventually picked I had an idea and I have no idea how feasible it is but what the hell. Is there any way we can introduce (starship component be my guess) which would combat the drag on money making on planets? Some version of the SEC (porn and all) or ICE, CIA whatever. Personally I see corruption/inefficency as something occurring in core worlds and smuggling (which causes lost tax revenue) as something that happens on border worlds where there is just less oversight. Either way to combat that you could just install something on your spaceports to combat this. As far as how the numbers would play out is something I suck at.

I would love to see some background info on how the designers feel their universe functions btw. I realize that as soon as you do that you sort of box yourself in, but in things such as how ships communicate and how the 'world' of DW operates it would add a lot to immersion. The game seems to want to model a living galaxy but that's hard to do when I don't even know humans do for fun these days which is odd since the things that look like Grimlock have some sort of competitive sport they play themselves.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 6:32:17 PM

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Exactly I'd love feedback from the designers on their perspective as well, it could clear up a lot of questions and uncertainties!

It would be awesome to have galactic Football cup btw

Come to think of it;

losing in the Galactic football cup might be a casus belli to go to war for an aggressive race!

and Intergalactic Hooligans.... Ooooh the possibilities!!

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 6:45:33 PM

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Elloit hides in the tech support fourms these days.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 8:38:30 PM

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A proposal: In order to get out of the seemingly eternal loop in the discussion regarding corruption/(in)efficiency, why not make the cap a user setting? That way, we could all choose if we want the cap to be 100%, 0% or something in between? And while we�re at it, let's make the basis for the calculation a user setting as well: Distance, Population, Random or whatever the drivers may be.....

the developers already stated that version 1.05 final will have a corruption slider allowing you to set corruption levels in the game, all the way down to 0 corruption.
It will not be in 1.05 beta though.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 8:54:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mifune

For a few reasons I have decided on my purchase DW. Mostly after seeing some of the WitP crowd in here and reviewing their posts (however cantanerous we may be we do stick it out and hang together). Also seeing potentialities of expansion/modding and of course having Erik and Elliotg providing us so much feedback that many seem to underappreciate. I will let you know more once I get a few hours under my belt.

Keeping in mind that us WiTP'ers fall victim to the classic blunder of starting a land war in Asia...simulated as it may be.

I will definately agree with you that the amount of work both Erik and Elliotg are putting into this game goes largely under-appreciated, and as with all things, they get more flak than thanks.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 9:51:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Widell
A proposal: In order to get out of the seemingly eternal loop in the discussion regarding corruption/(in)efficiency, why not make the cap a user setting? That way, we could all choose if we want the cap to be 100%, 0% or something in between? And while we�re at it, let's make the basis for the calculation a user setting as well: Distance, Population, Random or whatever the drivers may be.....

They are introducing a slider in the full version of 1.05.

The issue, of course, will be if money becomes too plentiful because the game is designed to be played with corruption. In other words, is it a false choice. If the game is unplayable with low levels of corruption because the game design is dependent on it, then having a slider is more gravy than potatoes.

Well, it seems there are no solutions that cater to everyone's taste, and the more flexible a game gets in terms of what the player can tune at the time of setting up the game, the further from the "mainstream" intent of the devs it may end up. I guess either it's play the game as the devs designed with limited flexibility, or go "full monty" on the modding flexibility, and accept there will be mods that are far from the original intent. IMHO the more things that can be modded, or decided by the player at set up, the better for the game long term -> Make corruption/efficieny/whatever flexible and deal with the consequences in the "core" of the game to avoid as much as possible of late game weirdness.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 10:25:00 PM

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corruption is never an issue in the early game. It only comes into play in the "late game" where you are potentially 5x as big as the AI empires... do you want to steamroll them, or do you want them to somehow keep on posing a threat to you. Some people want them to keep on being a threat, so they will set corruption high, I prefer steamroll at that point so I will probably turn it off (I will have to do some experiments to decide which method to go for).

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/11/2010 10:36:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: AMF
First, let me say these look like great changes.

Now, let me get back on my soapbox and state my belief that these are bandaid fixes that by their simple existence prove the usefulness of modding.

If all the variables in the game were opened up to modders, then rather than go back and forth with arbitrary and untested hard limits (why a 75% cap on corruption? Why not a 50% or 85%? etc...) then the modding community could come up with different mods that fit different players views on what the 'proper' or 'most realistic' or 'coolest' corruption level is.

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EDIT: oh, I get that a corruption slider is going to be part of the final patch - but I think my point still stands that by opening up the entire set of variables of the game, any and all players could find the mods that they adore...

EDIT 2: and let me also state again that this game is GREAT as it is. I think you guys have done a superb job with it, and all my talk of moddability is really just because I think it has made it 99% of the way and I think increasing the moddability could take it that final 1% to legendary status. And I know you plan on increasing moddability...I'm just a broken record....sorry!

no one cares about modding the numbers, even though it's numbers that drives this game. it's all about the end all be all corruption

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 7:16:39 AM

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I think you're assuming that because DW is in a future sci-fi setting, that travel and communication times are instantaneous, whereas that's not actually true.

Actually, I didn't. I was just contrasting extreme endpoints to illustrate how distance and speed affects things. The point remains that as your ability to get somewhere faster increases, the effect of distance should decrease and the administrative efficiency of operating a large system should therefore increase as inefficiencies of size decrease and allow you to better utilize economies of scale.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 2:34:45 PM

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Hi guys,

We've made a number of other tweaks, including finding and fixing some issues with how the AI suggest ship and base purchases. In general, the friendly and enemy AI should be much smarter about making private sector ship and base purchases, about scrapping some assets if the private sector runs out of money to maintain them and about suggesting new state purchases. Existing games will not get the maximum benefit from that if they are already far along, but the corruption cap should help a lot with existing late game situations where uncapped corruption was causing income issues.

We need at least another day to test and balance this though, so I'm guessing we'll be going to public beta tomorrow morning or Friday.

Regards,

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 2:36:20 PM

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Alright, thanks for the update Erik!

It sounds better and better each time you post

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 2:54:47 PM

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Yes, it all sounds very good.

I keep hoping that a mass load troops command will make it into this update, though.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 3:00:38 PM

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Here's a suggest: Manually controlled ships should fire on targets of opportunity, but NOT change their orders to attack a specific thing or run off across the system: They should hold their positions and fire at things only if they enter range or fire upon them. Ships set to manual control should not attempt to refuel themselves while still on the camera screen, as the player is clearly watching them and giving them orders. I've written a lot of "camera-specific" behaviors in the past, and having things behave differently when the player is clearly actively managing them, and when the player has forgotten about them, tends to greatly improve unit behavior without fighting the player.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 3:21:32 PM

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I highly support that, AI shouldnt overwrite a manual command, doesn't matter what AI want to do.

Example: i want change target to some closer ship, instead to chase another, but no the AI dont like that.

Example: i want warp out a ship because its going to die, no Warp disrupter field is up, but the ship decide to Escape and die.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 4:17:50 PM

Erik Rutins

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ORIGINAL: jscott991
I keep hoping that a mass load troops command will make it into this update, though.

Not in this beta, but hopefully in time for the 1.0.5 official release.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/12/2010 4:23:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

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ORIGINAL: jscott991
I keep hoping that a mass load troops command will make it into this update, though.

Not in this beta, but hopefully in time for the 1.0.5 official release.

That's what I was hoping. Thanks.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/13/2010 1:12:18 AM

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Well, i know that i have already told this and also made a topic for it, but i think that a Component Design Screen would be a marvelous adition to the game and give more freedom to the players and all...

But anyways can this be fitted on the game or it would need an expasion (if you all want to make this of course!)

Thanks Xkill

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/13/2010 9:41:04 PM

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Daft question of the day, gentlemen.. I just bought the game like 15mins ago. I'm sure I'll have my hands full for a while WRT Pelit review, but meanwhile.. Where do I get this beta update when it's available? From this thread?

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/13/2010 9:52:02 PM

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I can present an arguement to your statement that "This is incorrect."

Just because YOU as the player can instantly contact and order any unit in the game does not mean that communications throughout your empire is instant. It means you are omnipresent. You can communicate to any unit anywhere - but THAT could be considered LOCAL communication. This does not mean the message was sent from your capitol to that unit. Communications by the virtual individuals that make up your empire could still be considered to take time (yet still must be faster than light or it would take many, many year to arrive).

The player is Ender Wiggin, and he is using the Ansible.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/13/2010 10:34:17 PM

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Daft question of the day, gentlemen.. I just bought the game like 15mins ago. I'm sure I'll have my hands full for a while WRT Pelit review, but meanwhile.. Where do I get this beta update when it's available? From this thread?

I'm guessing Erik will put a new sticky in the top part of the forum. If you are new to the game you may wish to reconsider applying the beta. Not sure how stable it will be but the beta for 1.0.4 started out being fairly unstable. The current version 1.0.4.5 is good. :)

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/13/2010 10:40:40 PM

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Yes, I'll post a new thread with instructions. The new public beta should be posted within an hour or two.

We've decided this one will be more of a 1.0.4 "tidy up" minor update as there are major changes in 1.0.5 that would require breaking the save game format. So this public beta will hopefully tweak 1.0.4 a bit more and give you all an even more stable and balanced version to tide you over until the first 1.0.5 beta and the eventual 1.0.5 official release.

Regards,

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/13/2010 11:31:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Barleyman

Daft question of the day, gentlemen.. I just bought the game like 15mins ago. I'm sure I'll have my hands full for a while WRT Pelit review, but meanwhile.. Where do I get this beta update when it's available? From this thread?

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The beta patch is from the member's club page. Click on the menu button at the top and log in. You'll have your registered games listed with access to private downloads, like the beta patch.

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/14/2010 12:11:24 AM

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The 1.0.4.6 Public Beta Update is now available, please see the thread here for instructions and information:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2467602

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/14/2010 12:41:38 AM

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Thank for this update, your are really fast. ;)

Maybe could you share with us some info about the "major change" coming in 1.5? :P

Keep up the good work! :)

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/14/2010 3:53:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kruos

Thank for this update, your are really fast. ;)

Maybe could you share with us some info about the "major change" coming in 1.5? :P

Keep up the good work! :)

Is that the weapon balance patch?

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RE: Here's what's coming in the next public beta.... - 5/14/2010 4:30:16 AM

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