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RE: Alot of down pilots and sunk ships. - 8/28/2012 5:17:15 PM   
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Then I attacked Sinabang at 1-2. This looks to be another attrition fight. I might have a problem w/ the jap LBA suppressing my units.




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RE: Alot of down pilots and sunk ships. - 9/9/2012 4:23:42 PM   
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The push into sinabang has been w/loss. This AGC will not make it to the house. May not matter since HQs will fragment on amphib attacks.




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RE: Alot of down pilots and sunk ships. - 9/9/2012 4:25:20 PM   
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Also not sure the BB will return to port.




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RE: Alot of down pilots and sunk ships. - 9/9/2012 4:26:30 PM   
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44-2-19:The ground attack continues w/ heavy jap ground support and no allied cap. FatR in an email states a bug exists and his air transport is not working properly.

I noted my ground unit attack strength is increasing...which is why I like to post combat results on an AAR for comparison day to day(ref post 931). Currently one day turns..



Ground combat at Sinabang (42,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7100 troops, 90 guns, 333 vehicles, Assault Value = 328

Defending force 3482 troops, 52 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 76

Allied adjusted assault: 167

Japanese adjusted defense: 33

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
930 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 12 (4 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled


Assaulting units:
99th Indian Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
Provisionl Tank
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
23rd Chindit Bde /4
118th Light AA Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
98th Field Artillery Battalion
382nd Construction Regiment
220th USN Base Force
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
85th Naval Guard Unit
43rd/A Div /1
3rd Tank/B Div /1
3rd Naval Construction Battalion
44th Road Const Co
12th JAAF AF Coy
8th Mtn Gun Rgt /1

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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/9/2012 8:57:43 PM   
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44-2-20: W/ alot of barge traffic to Gasmata FatR is trying to close the sea resupply, at some expense. Not a big result but look at the next post.




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/9/2012 8:58:54 PM   
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Here the Mikuma takes 2 torps from a PT engagement.




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/9/2012 8:59:59 PM   
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Then a USN sub follows up against a slower moving Mikuma.




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/9/2012 9:01:14 PM   
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In Burma, I forgot that I assigned some old chinese FTRs to escort, but they seem to do a good job.Morning Air attack on Lashio , at 62,46

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7



Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 15
P-43A-1 Lancer x 7
Barracuda II x 8
B-25C Mitchell x 6


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 1 damaged
P-43A-1 Lancer: 3 destroyed
Barracuda II: 1 destroyed by flak



Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x Barracuda II releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x Barracuda II releasing from 4000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
77th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking Lashio ...
Also attacking 104th Division ...




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/9/2012 9:03:48 PM   
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At Sinabang the japs are bringing the air "kitchen sink".




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/9/2012 9:04:41 PM   
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And the result is:




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/9/2012 9:13:15 PM   
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Intel report. The 43rd B has amphibed at Vinh. This division is split and being used as a fire brigade. Note that 43A is flying into Sinabang.
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Ground combat at Vinh (65,59)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3052 troops, 33 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 83

Defending force 138 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5

Japanese adjusted assault: 41

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 41 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Vinh !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
43rd/B Division

Defending units:
77th Chindit Bde /8

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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/11/2012 1:02:51 PM   
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Ground combat at Sinabang (42,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6946 troops, 90 guns, 333 vehicles, Assault Value = 308

Defending force 2909 troops, 71 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 34

Allied adjusted assault: 91

Japanese adjusted defense: 35

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
360 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 25 (10 destroyed, 15 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled


Assaulting units:
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
99th Indian Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
Provisionl Tank
23rd Chindit Bde /4
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
98th Field Artillery Battalion
220th USN Base Force
118th Light AA Regiment
382nd Construction Regiment
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
3rd Tank/B Division
3rd Tank/A Div /1
12th JAAF AF Coy
3rd Naval Construction Battalion
8th Mtn Gun Rgt /1
44th Road Const Co
62nd Fld AA Bn /1
85th Naval Guard Unit
43rd/A Div /1

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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/11/2012 6:49:22 PM   
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FatR: Damn. Someone got quite lucky today.


FatR send a BB bombardment force to Sinabang. I heard a loud BANG on the replay but did not see any replay screen, then I saw the words imprinted in the combat replay.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 22, 44
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TF 168 encounters mine field at Sinabang (42,76)

Japanese Ships
DD Kikuzuki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage





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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/11/2012 6:50:53 PM   
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Then I raidered Off Sapporo japan. I bet my DDs emptied the magazines!!!Should have sent 6 DDs instead of 3.




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/11/2012 6:52:27 PM   
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Then the DDs had an air reaction but no hits!!!!




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/11/2012 6:53:53 PM   
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Down south at Sinabang ground troops reduced the fort another level even after getting bombed and shelled!!!




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/11/2012 6:55:15 PM   
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A look at the cut off japs in my rear area along the arakan trail. May be better to leave them alone so FatR cant rebuild them.




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/11/2012 6:56:43 PM   
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Looks as if FatR fast trans an INF REG into Sinabang last turn. Look at the Odds shift from previous turns.
Also note the IJA 62 fld AA unit destroyed in combat.

Ground combat at Sinabang (42,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4294 troops, 33 guns, 331 vehicles, Assault Value = 304

Defending force 6403 troops, 97 guns, 88 vehicles, Assault Value = 234

Allied adjusted assault: 70

Japanese adjusted defense: 253

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
572 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 14 (8 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (10 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
265 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)


Assaulting units:
99th Indian Brigade
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
Provisionl Tank
23rd Chindit Bde /4
220th USN Base Force
382nd Construction Regiment
98th Field Artillery Battalion
118th Light AA Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
43rd/A Division
3rd Tank/B Division
17th Infantry Rgt /1
4th Infantry Rgt /1
8th Mtn Gun Rgt /1
12th JAAF AF Coy
44th Road Const Co
3rd Naval Construction Battalion
85th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Tank/A Div /1




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RE: Sinabang--almost - 9/20/2012 10:46:25 PM   
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44-2-24: I noticed FatR had some ships hanging around Sinabang so I responded.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sinabang at 41,76

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 18



Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 42
SBD-5 Dauntless x 31


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed
SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 1
CL Sakawa, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Asagiri, Bomb hits 1, on fire



Aircraft Attacking:
11 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (18 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(18 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
18 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Raid is overhead

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Asagiri


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sinabang at 41,76

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 16



Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 32
SBD-5 Dauntless x 26
TBM-1C Avenger x 18


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Sakawa, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Urakaze
CL Kiso
DD Fubuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Minegumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Asagiri, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage



Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
18 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
2 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
15 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
25th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(16 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 16 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Japanese BBI did not see a BB on the replay?
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Asagiri


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Ground combat at Sinabang (42,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2053 troops, 29 guns, 292 vehicles, Assault Value = 285

Defending force 6481 troops, 109 guns, 131 vehicles, Assault Value = 209

Allied adjusted assault: 26

Japanese adjusted defense: 147

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
223 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (4 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/20/2012 11:11:46 PM   
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44-2-25:
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 25, 44
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TF 37 encounters mine field at Sinabang (42,76)

Japanese Ships
CL Kiso, Mine hits 1
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TF 188 encounters mine field at Sinabang (42,76)

Japanese Ships
DD Minegumo, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
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TF 188 encounters mine field at Sinabang (42,76)
Japanese Ships
DD Minegumo, heavy damage
1 mine cleared
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We hit Sinabang again. This is 1 day turns so I get an attack every day. I suspect 2day turns cost me Rangoon. Lucky for me I am in a jungle which obstructs FATR ground support!!!!




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Ground combat at Sinabang (42,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6785 troops, 90 guns, 333 vehicles, Assault Value = 287

Defending force 6210 troops, 107 guns, 128 vehicles, Assault Value = 193

Allied adjusted assault: 53

Japanese adjusted defense: 167

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
712 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 12 (8 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (3 destroyed, 11 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled


Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
99th Indian Brigade
Provisionl Tank
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
23rd Chindit Bde /4
382nd Construction Regiment
220th USN Base Force
98th Field Artillery Battalion
118th Light AA Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
85th Naval Guard Unit
3rd Tank/B Division
43rd/A Division
4th Infantry Rgt /1
17th Infantry Rgt /1
8th Mtn Gun Rgt /1
44th Road Const Co
3rd Naval Construction Battalion
3rd Tank/A Div /1



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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/20/2012 11:22:33 PM   
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I am certain this question has been asked before, but what art mod are you using for the plane? (plane topside view in battlescreen) I have looked through the Modding section of the forums, but couldn't see any art like this. Much obliged.

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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/20/2012 11:45:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hiltibrant

I am certain this question has been asked before, but what art mod are you using for the plane? (plane topside view in battlescreen) I have looked through the Modding section of the forums, but couldn't see any art like this. Much obliged.

I will post to FatR...

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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/22/2012 12:12:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hiltibrant

I am certain this question has been asked before, but what art mod are you using for the plane? (plane topside view in battlescreen) I have looked through the Modding section of the forums, but couldn't see any art like this. Much obliged.

I will post to FatR...

FatR said the plane top is part of the RA70 package.
FatR said use this link:
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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/24/2012 3:35:13 PM   
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44-2-26: Sub war is picking up. Seems the USN is getting good at night stalking!!!




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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/24/2012 3:37:27 PM   
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Mission to keep the japs guessing on plane and SC ship tasking.




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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/24/2012 3:38:49 PM   
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FatR will need to do some work to get into Chiang Mai!!! Allies might have to make a counterattack.
This is one of those outcomes that gives me a good feeling about playing this game.




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RE: Sinabang--i like the casualties!!! - 9/24/2012 3:43:06 PM   
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this is a look at the Lost Southern Army. I enjoy knowing the effect of having the southern army and 2 IJA army HQs off base, irretrievable w/ no way out.




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RE: ChiangMai forever - 9/26/2012 4:54:22 PM   
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So I counterattacked. I thought the Japs where low on supply. Wrong...

Ground combat at Chiang Mai (58,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13935 troops, 406 guns, 116 vehicles, Assault Value = 495

Defending force 12554 troops, 104 guns, 102 vehicles, Assault Value = 224

Allied adjusted assault: 204

Japanese adjusted defense: 223

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
400 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
555 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 71 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 10 disabled


Assaulting units:
77th Chindit Brigade
27th Chinese Corps
25th Indian Division
54th Chinese Corps
NCAC
4th Chinese Base Force

Defending units:
42nd Division
29th Army




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RE: ChiangMai forever - 9/26/2012 4:57:21 PM   
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I worked my allied Tracker while waiting for FatR. Not so bad. may even avoid a Jap auto victory in 45.




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RE: ChiangMai forever - 9/27/2012 3:41:51 AM   
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another look at tracker. allied pilot ace KIA against new allied aces over same period of time.




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