Joseignacio
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what happened at the end of your game Jose? I've seen the Americans take out Turkey in that situation and get on with taking the Axis apart from there...
The american player had not been very lucky with the chits, so he just entered the war that impulse, his production had been very low and he was focused on the pacific at that moment.
I had never seen in my life sink the russian front like that, we were playing tha optional that there are ZOCs in surprise, in this case I think the best tactic is to create a line in eastern poland or just before the axis leningrad-kiev is, to take advantage of the woods, the Pripet marshes, and to try to hold the hex with the three southern resources as much as possible or at least negate it to the german.
What this guy did was to leave some stacks defending Leningrad, finland and sth. else, and (if I recall well) leave a first line that was soon blown apart, with one unit stacks of militia and garrisons, leaving for a second line his best units.
This made it easier to defeat him twice. After the initial debacle, he reinforced the second line with all he could send or rail there, and he was trying to hold somehow the german. It seems he had not heard about the defence based on having a stack of 2 units every three hexes making a line of ZOC for which the german would have to destroy those stacks (usually in woods or cities) while it was denied Blitz attack, paying heavy losses.
To make things worse, weather was excellent for many turns and the turns didn't end (that 8 was difficult to achieve in that part of the game), except for one, where he had snow in the pripet, just in the right moment for the german, who had just faced his second line and moved some to his rearguard through it, making the beginning of two bags, North and South.
Then, maybe by bad planification or because of a blitz or sth like that, he found that his best units, a HQ (not sure if Zukhov) and one Armor corps were unsupplied and the OVERRUN by the german after a lucky stuka (50%) bombardment.
The collapse was total, except in Leningrad, Finland, a stack that was out of supply in Poland and maybe someone in Odessa, he had like 4 corps in all the Western USSR map. I sent him 1 petrol, 2 resourdes, 1 production point, ..., everything I could every turn but he lost too many units to recover, although we were using the option that I call "the zombies fight" option, where half of the dead in own land in defence "resurrect" every turn.
He had to run at max speed to the turkish border and Baku to avoid being destroyed 20:1, while the German did a strange drawing of two parallel lines that made two bags north and south of the USSR.
Then the german kicked the ressistants in the turkish border and entered Turkey. The alignment of Turkey gave the American the Chit he needed to enter the war but he had to deal with Japan using the surprise, so...
Then, who knows what could have happened, but since the German had cleared the first two maps of Russian units (except Finland and Leningrad, although they were ripe for taking with finnish and german contingents nearby) the Russian guy surrendered because it was clear the game was utterly lost.
So the american didn't have enough time to enjoy his production gear up, nor build the necessary units, much less to arrive in Turkey or Palestina, buit even if he did so, the game had no future, the only thing the german needed to do was simply increment more and more the garrisons and fast answer units for a possible D-Day, with a huge production backing him.
I had made a blocking little combo with some territorials, a HQ wich I sent from England and a Motorized unit that was in Cairo and could have resisted perfectly the few (6/7/8...) units that could leave Turkey, but german units were starting to arrive by train...  
The americans, when they had enough units as a result of their gearing up (it means 3/4 turns later) could start to do something in Turkey or somewhere else, but they would probably find it too consolidated.
As for attacking from Turkey, I am curious, because in the Asian part it seems for me extremely difficult due to the mountain terrain, which can be well defended and makes movement very slow. I guess they did through Istambul and Bulgaria, am I right?
< Message edited by Joseignacio -- 10/22/2010 3:11:20 PM >
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EuroWifCon - 
RE: EuroWifCon - 
although I don't blame myself, I played UK and did it at least acceptably. 
The collapse of the russian and bad luck (chaining at least 14 impuses of fine weather when the german was attacking) took him in three turns from western Poland to the vicinity of Baku and Turkey all along the border of the european map. 
and some homemade videos part of which (along maybe with others) may be published on their website. :)
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