Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Bombur

Warsaw finally falls, the last battle was relatively easy, with Polish troops too tired and poorly supplied. However, we lost 5 PzII´s. Total losses of this tank were 13 SF´s, and the production was immediately phased out, with all Light divisions being upgraded to Pz III and Pz IV ASAP (btw...I miss the Pz35t and the Pz38t...)
As you can see, the Polish campaign was no cakewalk, German losses were heavy, and we took 6 turns to defeat Poland (I actually don´t know if they are really defeated..as they still hold Lublin) instead o the historical three. Hitler is shocked by the fierce resistance of the inferior Slavic races (he will be even more shocked latter...)

Now, some questions
1-I miss the naval aircraft, like the Fw-200, the He-115, the Anson, the Sunderland and others, they would be a nice addition, since naval war is to play an important role in the game.
2-It´s possible to the allied to declare war on minor nations (like Denmark or Norway)????

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1) I'll see about adding some more naval aircraft in, particularly for the Axis...not as versed in Axis naval aviation as I should be. I was under the impression that they used mostly the same sort of planes as the did for land operations (Ju-88's and Ju-87's and SM-79's for the Italians) but if you want to put a list of the ones you want added, I'll try to get the ones that I can in.

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Limiting the carrier to 5 planes is fine I think and remember carriers could launch some bombers as demonstrated in Doolittle's raid on Tokyo.

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But we can make a house rule if you want that we only put fighters and strike aircraft on the carriers. Since while you could launch bombers you couldnt land them.

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As it is right now I am very interested to see how the carriers work out. will 2 fighters and 3 strike planes be the right way to go or will 3 fighters and 2 strike planes be the way to go. Can just 3 strike planes sink a BB ?  does carrier II carry more planes ?

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But you are right it could be very interesting if only certain planes where allowed on carriers. But the thing to remember is that almost any fighter/strike plane could be modified to be carrier based, the navy looked at a lot of factors when deciding which planes to purchase among them size, maintenance, parts availability, cost, as well as what armaments each plane could carry.

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We cant worry too much about being historically correct with the fighters and strike planes , if we do then we need to remember that historically Germany never even had a aircraft carrier and neither did Italy. So  would we then want to  make it so neither could produce carriers ?  Also since they never had carriers how would we decide which German and Italian planes to allow to be placed on carriers ? 

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What would you like to see happen with the Naval Game?

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Obviously I'm going to be reworking Carriers, adding more naval air and ASW/Recon planes.

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Do you think it's important for me to put in a WAW style construction method (i.e. Ship Hulls) for capital ships?

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Do you want to see a more detailed breakdown of ship types classes? (i.e. Light Cruisers, Heavy Cruisers, Battle Cruisers, Pocket Battleships? Etc) Do you think it's important to go down to actual classes (i.e Bismark/Tripitz, Hood Class, etc) or is generic types good enough? If so, what are your feelings about the capabilties of each?

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Are there important naval SFT types not previosly mentioned that are missing...like e-boats/Torpedo Boats, etc? If so, what roles should they play?

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I pretty much kept the naval game the same as vanilla AT...as by far it's my weakest area of expertiese. I have no problem beefing it up and changing it some...but I think I'll need some guidence as to what changes to make...as I'm probably only fit to play Admiral of a bath tub

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ORIGINAL: GrumpyMel
Re: Bombers vs Strike Aircraft. Yup, that's something I clearly need to rework. Basicaly I had assigned the same values that were used against bombers (I'm guessing the game assumes they get hit on the ground). That clearly messes up the situation for Heavy Escort Fighters, like the 110 and the Blenheim IF which were designed and effective at intercepting enemy bombers.
Thanks for the heads up Bombur.

What I will do to fix it is to reduce the Attack rating of bombers vs strike craft to make it more in line with how they perform vs fighters. In reality, bombers mostly disrupted air operations by damaging runways and airfield facilities (structural damage) rather then knocking out the actual planes themselves. So bombers will still retain the ability to do that via thier anti-structure ratings. I want to keep the type for these aircraft as Strike Craft...as they really did fly very differently then the nimble single engine planes.

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ORIGINAL: Bombur

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ORIGINAL: GrumpyMel
Re: Bombers vs Strike Aircraft. Yup, that's something I clearly need to rework. Basicaly I had assigned the same values that were used against bombers (I'm guessing the game assumes they get hit on the ground). That clearly messes up the situation for Heavy Escort Fighters, like the 110 and the Blenheim IF which were designed and effective at intercepting enemy bombers.
Thanks for the heads up Bombur.

What I will do to fix it is to reduce the Attack rating of bombers vs strike craft to make it more in line with how they perform vs fighters. In reality, bombers mostly disrupted air operations by damaging runways and airfield facilities (structural damage) rather then knocking out the actual planes themselves. So bombers will still retain the ability to do that via thier anti-structure ratings. I want to keep the type for these aircraft as Strike Craft...as they really did fly very differently then the nimble single engine planes.

I understand your point, but I think there is a good reason to rate these planes as fighters (I have the same doubt when I introduced fighter bombers in my mod). The vulnerability of a "pure" ground attack plane vs. bombers is in the fact that these countries will be grounded when attacked (a Stuka won´t scramble to defend his airfield aganst B-25´s...). On the other hand, fighter bombers (like the Bf-110) will be most likely airborne, so the Bomber vs. fighter-bomber works in a different way, as compared with Bomber vs. Bomber. Of course, you made your fighter bombers Front line aircraft, so they will be airborne (and inflict losses on bombers), however, they will suffer abnormal losses to bombers (because they will be considered "grounded") and, even worse, they will suffer small losses to enemy fighters, because the escoring fighters will "strafe" the "grounded planes" while the "grounded planes" will shot them down like they were airborne (a Bf-109F, for instance, in attack, will have 30% less power against an strike aircraft compared with the combat power against a true fighter). So an unintended consequence of making these planes "strike aircraft" is that they become better fighters(?!). By decreasing the attack values of bomber vs. strike aircraft you will also make "normal" strike aircraft less vulnerable to bombers, so there are too many unintended consequences and the best way (I think) is to rate fighter bombers as fighters.

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So planes in this class that were modified to fighters were: BF-110C, Blenheim IF, Potez 63, Bristol Beaufighter, Dehavallind Mosquito, Blackburn Skua (functioned as naval fighter), SBC Helldiver (naval fighter), SBD Dauntless (naval fighter), Fairy Fulmar (naval fighter)

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ORIGINAL: 82ndtrooper

Grumpy

what happens to the french fleets when vichy is established ?
if I have already incorporated them into my Royal Navy fleets will they disappear ? and could they possibly take the British ships with them ?

PS: winter is brutal

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ORIGINAL: 82ndtrooper

Grumpy

I have noticed something strange with what a unit can carry, it seems like it flops back and forth. what I mean is you should be able to look at a unit and see something like load 20/50 meaning that the unit can carry 50 and there is only 20 on it. but I have found that it dosnt allways seem to be that way and I have to actually try and transfer something to a unit to see what its weight and carry totals are.

also notice in this pic that I have no infantry loaded and it still shows 5/20 and it should show 0/5