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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/10/2010 3:35:44 AM   
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My example was DC 3's...I would hate to think those guys would be 50-100% damaged carrying paying civilian passengers..


My Grandfather flew in a Connie from Australia to England just AFTER the war and the trip included an unscheduled three day layover in Aden whilst they performed an engine change. Things were different in those days.....





Obviously not a scheduled maintenance stop. Something must have broken.

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/10/2010 3:38:25 PM   
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Details?


From the book (sic):

MV American Packer departed San Francisco 10/19/41 and proceeded, unescorted, at 14 knots via the Marianas, arriving Manila 11/18/41. Aboard were 26 Aircraft (25 P-40E and one other), 20 T-12 75MM SP guns, 12 3-in AA guns, 4 37mm AA guns, 20 60mm mortars, wire, canned salmon, hay, gas masks, machinery horse shoes, trucks and other vehicles, barbed wire, ammunition, inert bombs, machine guns, airplane engines, engineer heavy equipment, 1,899 rolls roofing paper.

Also an interesting little detail on AA guns. Enough AA guns had been sent to the Philippines to equip a third AA Regiment (only two were present). The extra guns were retained in depot. I'd guess these were probably the guns used to equip the 515th when it was split from the 200th.





Well drats. I was hoping for details on the troops sent to Canton and Christmas Islands. It is a great gap in my accumuated research and the book does not fill it. Still a great book, and I highly recommend it.

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/10/2010 10:06:45 PM   
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Details?


From the book (sic):

MV American Packer departed San Francisco 10/19/41 and proceeded, unescorted, at 14 knots via the Marianas, arriving Manila 11/18/41. Aboard were 26 Aircraft (25 P-40E and one other), 20 T-12 75MM SP guns, 12 3-in AA guns, 4 37mm AA guns, 20 60mm mortars, wire, canned salmon, hay, gas masks, machinery horse shoes, trucks and other vehicles, barbed wire, ammunition, inert bombs, machine guns, airplane engines, engineer heavy equipment, 1,899 rolls roofing paper.

Also an interesting little detail on AA guns. Enough AA guns had been sent to the Philippines to equip a third AA Regiment (only two were present). The extra guns were retained in depot. I'd guess these were probably the guns used to equip the 515th when it was split from the 200th.





Well drats. I was hoping for details on the troops sent to Canton and Christmas Islands. It is a great gap in my accumuated research and the book does not fill it. Still a great book, and I highly recommend it.


Have you had a look at Gordon Rottman's "World War II Pacific Island Guide"? It has tons of info. It's also available in preview in Google books.

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/11/2010 2:59:22 AM   
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Have you had a look at Gordon Rottman's "World War II Pacific Island Guide"? It has tons of info. It's also available in preview in Google books.


Sure, it's in my library. Also most of the published books cited in Racing the Sunrise. It (Pacific Island Guide) has the standard data: a unit of infantry, a battalion of this, a battalion of that. But nothing I've been able to find specifies WHAT battalions. I can place the initial garrison of every other island. Just not Canton or Christmas.


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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/12/2010 3:05:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/12/2010 4:23:09 PM   
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Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.


Looks promising. Only place I can find a reference to it is in a index at CDSG. It doesn't appear to be downloadable. Do you have a copy?

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/12/2010 6:40:27 PM   
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Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.


Looks promising. Only place I can find a reference to it is in a index at CDSG. It doesn't appear to be downloadable. Do you have a copy?




This tells what Canton had, and scroll thru the pages (at the top) and it gives exact components for some of the islands.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ChyilRml0hcC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=The+Canton+Island+Defense+Force+in+World+War+II&source=bl&ots=bJpdETuu4k&sig=BY0LyuTH08kP3MeFwHbHy_RRvkM&hl=en&ei=BJ60TI-EBMWAlAeo9ZD0Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=The%20Canton%20Island%20Defense%20Force%20in%20World%20War%20II&f=false

Looks like John Bennett was busy?

http://www.northamericanforts.com/West/biblio-pacific.html..(Apparently the owner of this site has most of these issues in his collection, according to the disclaimer at the top.)

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/12/2010 7:02:34 PM   
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Bennett, John D., The Canton Island Defense Force in World War II, in The Coast Defense Journal, Vol. 19, No. 4, Nov. 2005.

Not sure if this will help.


Looks promising. Only place I can find a reference to it is in a index at CDSG. It doesn't appear to be downloadable. Do you have a copy?




This tells what Canton had, and scroll thru the pages (at the top) and it gives exact components for some of the islands.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ChyilRml0hcC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=The+Canton+Island+Defense+Force+in+World+War+II&source=bl&ots=bJpdETuu4k&sig=BY0LyuTH08kP3MeFwHbHy_RRvkM&hl=en&ei=BJ60TI-EBMWAlAeo9ZD0Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=The%20Canton%20Island%20Defense%20Force%20in%20World%20War%20II&f=false

Looks like John Bennett was busy?

http://www.northamericanforts.com/West/biblio-pacific.html..(Apparently the owner of this site has most of these issues in his collection, according to the disclaimer at the top.)


Thanks. I have Gordon Rottman's book in my library. But, like all the rest, it lists the number and size of units but not which ones. A CD Battalion, an AA Battalion, etc. My best bet may be an order from CDSG but that is all snail mail and will take weeks and weeks!

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/13/2010 6:11:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Have you checked this? It's a reference in the US Army in WWII book titled "Strategy and Command: the First Two Years"

link: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-Strategy/Strategy-9.html#fn22

Looks like a USAF monograph.

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/13/2010 12:47:42 PM   
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Have you checked this? It's a reference in the US Army in WWII book titled "Strategy and Command: the First Two Years"

link: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-Strategy/Strategy-9.html#fn22

Looks like a USAF monograph.


Oh Yes. I have all the "green" books. Just ain't in there.

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/14/2010 6:08:18 AM   
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Have you checked this? It's a reference in the US Army in WWII book titled "Strategy and Command: the First Two Years"

link: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-Strategy/Strategy-9.html#fn22

Looks like a USAF monograph.


Oh Yes. I have all the "green" books. Just ain't in there.


But the monograph specifically referenced in the footnote is No. 45 on the South Pacific Air Route. It may have more info on which units specifically went to Christmas, Canton, etc....

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/14/2010 2:19:02 PM   
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But the monograph specifically referenced in the footnote is No. 45 on the South Pacific Air Route. It may have more info on which units specifically went to Christmas, Canton, etc....


An interesting read but no specific unit data on the defense forces assigned. It does list the Air Corps Air Warning units: 696th Signal Aircraft Warning and Reporting Company for Christmas Island and 697th Signal Aircraft Waring and Reporting Company for Canton. Each "company" had a Distant Reporitng platoon (2 officers and 43 men) and a Plotting platoon (3 officers, 30 men).

There's some possibly interesting data available on DVD from the CDSG site, but it is order-by-mail with a very long expected delivery delay. Still hoping to find the data on line before I resort to snail mail...

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RE: Interesting info on historical cross Pacific transfers - 10/15/2010 5:43:33 AM   
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Here is a document on the subject. I have been working on this for several years, accumulating additional data whenever I can find it. See note 4.

Any additional data gratefully welcomed.




Re Christmas Island:

Not sure this article about the MOH dentist counts as data: http://www.cda.org/library/cda_member/pubs/journal/jour0902/medal.html

Searching on the 102 Infantry led to two hits:

Company A
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/1-102in.htm

During World War II, the 1st Battalion 102nd Infantry moved out as part of a task force on January 30, 1942 to the South Pacific. Company A 1st Battalion Infantry went to Christmas Island. The battalion remained on Christmas Island, and there are many stories about their fears of a Japanese invasion of the island that never came. The stories are preserved in the 102nd Infantry Museum in the New Haven Armory.

Company C
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3723/is_200812/ai_n31170654/

On a couple of web sites I ran into some comments recorded from pilots passing through Canton that there was little visible defense as late as 1943.


Edit -- Oh well, I reread your paper and see that you already had the 1st of the 102nd at Christmas. I'll refresh my memory more carefully before my next wild goose chase on the net.


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