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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]Well actually some facts here, because silly what ifs only make a person look bad.
The Germans never had any real chance of getting the bomb due to their racial bias against jewish science which drove out the real brains that had the answers the US later maximised on (this is common knowledge to people that read current theoretical physics in addition to military literature eh).
The Americans designed the B29 in direct response to a need to hit Japan over great distances, and weapons are designed normally out of need , not for the heck of it. So no B17 means no extrapolated development of the B29 means no long range delivery system by the US for quite some time.
With no horrible need though, the US has no reason to force paranoid scientists that are afraid of atomic weapons (and for good reason), to make them in the first place.
So we in the end see the close of the war lacking atomic weapons and long range bombers.
Japan would likely have run out of war materials in time thus angering the US (by the same means needed to get same in the first place) leading to the US (whom had no European distractions) quite brutally trashing the Japanese. Against an undistracted US, Japan has a zero chance of winning.
Germany knocking out Britain politically would have made the war in Russia bloodier, longer, and the Russians, a people ruled by the most ruthless man known to history, would likely still have out produced Hitler's not yet total war production efforts. It would have really trashed the efforts of world communism though. They would be set back for years.
The US having finished Japan in the late 40's might have been free to eventually meddle in European politics. But now I too am wandering into silly ramblings, so further discourse is pointless. [/B][/QUOTE]
[B]WELL![/B] Goodness me, I am a silly boy. On the other hand, in the interests of defending my position, I'll reply point by point:
1) I never said anything about the Germans having the A-bomb or not.
2) The US, though neutral, began preparing for war and weapons development of all sorts continued throughout and after the war. We were not blind enough to think we were somehow safe in a world peopled by the likes of Hitler and Tojo. The B-29 was logical plane since long range bombers might be needed. What wasn't necessary, and never made it off the drawing board, was the B-17. (I might add that many new weapons systems have been developed seemingly "for the heck of it" since then.)
3) Many scientists [I]were[/I] paranoid about atomic weapons, but others, being scientists, would have happily forged ahead.
4) Japan would not have run out of war materials. Not only did they take posession of the British areas after England collapsed, they also had China and a large chunk of Siberia, plus a huge pool of slave labor to exploit them. And the fact they weren't fighting us meant their war stocks would not have been drawn down.
5) Not having to fight a two-front war, the Germans rolled over the Russians before they got their factories moved behind the Urals. Stalin was captured and hung in Berlin. Communism essentially ceased to exist as a political force.
6) The US had no desire or need to go to war with the Germans or Japan, in the 40's or later, though we remained cautious and had a very stong defense establishment. Unlike our world today, there was no "meddling" in other countries affairs. We minded our own business, traded with everyone, and avoided foreign entanglements except for alliances with our neighbors in the western hemisphere.
In closing, Les, let me say that you are taking this whole idea WAY too seriously. I simply thought it would be fun to have the Japs and Germans go at it, and this was a way to justify it. Nor do I care if you ever play [I]any[/I] of my scenarios. I design battles for my own enjoyment. If other players also like them, all the better. Incidentally, I also read science-fiction and believe in UFO's, and if that makes me look bad, TS. :D
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