damezzi
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I ran some tests with a simple scenario where 5 MatildasII attacked 10 Panzer IV.
When I changed from having both units in the open without entrenchment, to having the defending unit Fortified, the results were logical. All the values of the defending units increased substantially, and this was refelcted in the outcome.
However, when I placed the defending unit, still fortified, on a urban terrain the results were not as expected. The defending unit was wiped out. The reason, the accuracy of the Matildas increased from 10% (in open vision) to 50% (restricted vision), However the accuracy of the Panzer remained at 10%, as if the Matildas were still in the open.
Yet there wasn't still a good explanation as to why should the attacker have better precision in the example El Cid provided. As you said, defenders would have the choice to engage in the open, before the enemy entered the city or wait until they entered the urban perimeter, what's a nice advantage already. If engaging in the open, both would fire from a long distance and attackers should fire at low precision percentage, as should the defenders; if waiting in the urban hex until attackers come in, both would engage at short distances and with high precision. There is still the case where the defender would be at the skirts of the city waiting and an ambush would be possible (a single fire situation), but I think this kind of event is already included in the defensive advantage of the terrain.
Another way of seing it is by the simpler case of rain. Rain is another factor that causes restricted vision for precision calculation. Let's consider rain in the open. Attackers are coming from a clear wheater open hex and defenders are in a rainy open hex. Using the logic exposed earlier, of considering attackers on his original hex for precision calculation, they would get better precision. Even if we consider the circumstance when the attacker is still outside of the shower curtain and the defender inside it, both would see the enemy exactly at the same time, taking the shot from the same distance.
To keep it extremely simple, the fact is that the outcome of the combat in the example El Cid provided is absurd. The Panzers getting wiped for being in urban terrain, where they have the choice to choose the form of engagement, wether in the open or in the city. The matildas receiving a precision bonus? Why? If they get the precision bonus, they are firing from short distances, in which case they are already in the urban terrain. So, the panzers are firing from short distances, too, in which case they should get the bonus. Sure that with Optics 4 it would have been a poor choice, since the better precision advantage would be denied (for this kind of equipment, the logic is inverted).
You said that in this specific case the panzers shot while in the open, while the matildas had to wait until entering the urban perimeter. Are you saying that all panzers shot from a long distance, then came into the city and just waited there while being shot at by the matildas?
Toaw should aways consider the average, not creating very specific situations, mainly those that come from completely stupid decisions. In the average, the situation would have been extremely favorable to the panzers, in overall terms and in terms of precision, too. For me it's clear: if the panzers choose to engage in the open, both shoot in the clear, if they choose to wait, both shoot in the city. The advantage for ambush and cover is already computed in the defensive terrain bonus.
< Message edited by damezzi -- 10/12/2010 8:09:16 PM >
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