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ORIGINAL: wdolson

The unit can have a total of 90 support squads.  It currently has 41 good squads and 17 understrength/disabled squads.  If given a chance, the disabled squads will repair, the missing squads will have to be replaced from the pool.

Bill

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

The "64" = the percentage of the TOE currently in the unit
The "45" = the percentage of of the TOE which is fit for combat

Hence a unit with 100/100 = a unit fully fitted out to its TOE with all squads/devices fit and available for combat.

With replacements on, provided you have support squads available in the pools and the unit is located near a supply depot, then yes you will eventually have 90 support squads. Note each replacement support squad will cost you supply from the supply depot at the rate of 1 supply point per load cost.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Best way to "heal" disabled squads is to:

(a) be in rest mode
(b) have "support required" in the green
(c) be not subject to disruption from enemy attack
(d) not be in a malaria hex
(e) have adequate supply
(f) not be fatigued

Not possible to give a definitive answer as to length of time for recovery. As a very rough rule of thumb, I operate on basis of 1 device "healed" each day.

In your specific query which is based on a Chinese HQ unit, you may have to retreat the unit all the way back to Chungking, but this depends on whether this unit can avoid combat (unlikely if it was mauled by a Japanese stack on the march in China) and is near to some other supply depot.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Best way to "heal" disabled squads is to:

(a) be in rest mode
(b) have "support required" in the green
(c) be not subject to disruption from enemy attack
(d) not be in a malaria hex
(e) have adequate supply
(f) not be fatigued

Not possible to give a definitive answer as to length of time for recovery. As a very rough rule of thumb, I operate on basis of 1 device "healed" each day.

In your specific query which is based on a Chinese HQ unit, you may have to retreat the unit all the way back to Chungking, but this depends on whether this unit can avoid combat (unlikely if it was mauled by a Japanese stack on the march in China) and is near to some other supply depot.

Alfred

Wow, that is quite difficult. Units in Malaria zones (say the Burma theater) are going to have real difficulties.

Does healing a disabled unit use supply or devices?

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Best way to "heal" disabled squads is to:

(a) be in rest mode
(b) have "support required" in the green
(c) be not subject to disruption from enemy attack
(d) not be in a malaria hex
(e) have adequate supply
(f) not be fatigued

Not possible to give a definitive answer as to length of time for recovery. As a very rough rule of thumb, I operate on basis of 1 device "healed" each day.

In your specific query which is based on a Chinese HQ unit, you may have to retreat the unit all the way back to Chungking, but this depends on whether this unit can avoid combat (unlikely if it was mauled by a Japanese stack on the march in China) and is near to some other supply depot.

Alfred

Wow, that is quite difficult. Units in Malaria zones (say the Burma theater) are going to have real difficulties.

Does healing a disabled unit use supply or devices?

You don't need all 6 conditions to be present in order to "heal" disabled devices. The rate at which they will "heal" is dependent on how many of those conditions are present. Of the six conditions, definitely the single most beneficial one is to have the unit in rest mode. What should be obvious is that it is very difficult for a unit to have no disabled devices if it is in contact with the enemy and subject to enemy activity.

Regarding your latest question:

"Does healing a disabled unit use supply or devices"

IMHO you will find it easier to understand LCUs (your original starting off point of a few posts back) once you understand the following point. Everything in a unit is a device. It is immaterial as to whether one is referring to a squad of men, artillery tubes or radar set, every line item listed in the TOE is a device. So 160 Chinese 1941 infantry squads = 160 devices, 8 40mm Bofors = 8 devices. Of itself a unit is not disabled but it has some disabled and some abled (= fit for combat) devices. Hence the answer to this question has already been previously answered.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

When you mentioned that as a rule of thumb you assume one healed device per day, does that mean larger units are at a disadvantage? Some of my Chinese Corps are trashed, with a hundred + disabled units. Would it be better to divide them into divisions when I send them to Chungking for faster healing?

Can't speak from personal experience but from recollection in classical WITP, some players used to engage in such actions (and then quickly recombine) to gain fatigue + "healed" benefits.

Also, there are some Chinese Corps that are just basically ruined. One I saw is at 3/3. I'm going to let those guys fight as they are: no way I can rebuild them with the supply situation/limitation on the number of troops. Is that a smart strategy?

It can be a good strategy if you can get the 3/3 Chinese unit to surrender. Destroyed Chinese LCUs return 30 days later at Chungking at 1/3 strength without dipping into your pool devices. However if the Chinese LCU disappears as a result of attrition without combat, the unit does not return. With the latest beta patch, it might be possible to pay PPs to resurrect such a unit but you would then have to draw down your pools in order to build up the unit.

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

In my game against the AI, I'm moving into February 1942. I'm a bit interested in what is going to happen: I've sunk 150+ Japanese ships, probably 120 or so are Aks or Akls. I haven't done any real damage to the combat ships of Japan, but I'm curious as to the breaking point for Japanese cargo ships. I've counted the number they get and they are not going to have any left in another year and a half if they don't slow down their loss rate. Is this the normal way to cripple AI Japan?

Also, I've taken on a few battleships and those things seem to be invincible. In a surface engagement I hit one 59 times (the largest shell was 8 in). Another BB I hit with 9 1000 lb bombs from Dive Bombers. Both stayed afloat. What do you need to do to sink these things, sans torpedo? Was I at least in the ballpark?

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

In my game against the AI, I'm moving into February 1942. I'm a bit interested in what is going to happen: I've sunk 150+ Japanese ships, probably 120 or so are Aks or Akls. I haven't done any real damage to the combat ships of Japan, but I'm curious as to the breaking point for Japanese cargo ships. I've counted the number they get and they are not going to have any left in another year and a half if they don't slow down their loss rate. Is this the normal way to cripple AI Japan?

Also, I've taken on a few battleships and those things seem to be invincible. In a surface engagement I hit one 59 times (the largest shell was 8 in). Another BB I hit with 9 1000 lb bombs from Dive Bombers. Both stayed afloat. What do you need to do to sink these things, sans torpedo? Was I at least in the ballpark?

BB's in general won't sink to bombs or gun hits smaller than 14". Yes, you can sink them with smaller weapons, but you need a lot of hits. I think 150 hits from smaller guns will do the job, and I sank a Japanese BB with about 20 to 24 1,000 lb bomb hits.

If you don't have the luxury of dropping massive numbers of bombs on a single BB, then you need torpedoes or BB caliber guns. You already know that USN torpedoes are not really up to the job in 42. Brit torpedoes can do the job fairly well. The only other option is to take them on in a BB vs BB fight.

In my experience, Taking on the IJN BB's in 42 (or any other year) with Allied BB's is a bad idea. I've had a lot of fights with 3-1 odds and came out significantly the loser. I've had some fights with 1-1 odds and came out with total losses. I only engage Japanese BB's if they are solo and are already damaged via air attack.

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

In my game against the AI, I'm moving into February 1942. I'm a bit interested in what is going to happen: I've sunk 150+ Japanese ships, probably 120 or so are Aks or Akls. I haven't done any real damage to the combat ships of Japan, but I'm curious as to the breaking point for Japanese cargo ships. I've counted the number they get and they are not going to have any left in another year and a half if they don't slow down their loss rate. Is this the normal way to cripple AI Japan?

Also, I've taken on a few battleships and those things seem to be invincible. In a surface engagement I hit one 59 times (the largest shell was 8 in). Another BB I hit with 9 1000 lb bombs from Dive Bombers. Both stayed afloat. What do you need to do to sink these things, sans torpedo? Was I at least in the ballpark?

BB's in general won't sink to bombs or gun hits smaller than 14". Yes, you can sink them with smaller weapons, but you need a lot of hits. I think 150 hits from smaller guns will do the job, and I sank a Japanese BB with about 20 to 24 1,000 lb bomb hits.

If you don't have the luxury of dropping massive numbers of bombs on a single BB, then you need torpedoes or BB caliber guns. You already know that USN torpedoes are not really up to the job in 42. Brit torpedoes can do the job fairly well. The only other option is to take them on in a BB vs BB fight.

In my experience, Taking on the IJN BB's in 42 (or any other year) with Allied BB's is a bad idea. I've had a lot of fights with 3-1 odds and came out significantly the loser. I've had some fights with 1-1 odds and came out with total losses. I only engage Japanese BB's if they are solo and are already damaged via air attack.

Wow--good to know and suprising. I was shocked that after 50+ hits from CAs, CLs, and DDs it didn't sink. I guess I wasn't even close.

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735


BB's in general won't sink to bombs or gun hits smaller than 14". Yes, you can sink them with smaller weapons, but you need a lot of hits. I think 150 hits from smaller guns will do the job, and I sank a Japanese BB with about 20 to 24 1,000 lb bomb hits.

If you don't have the luxury of dropping massive numbers of bombs on a single BB, then you need torpedoes or BB caliber guns. You already know that USN torpedoes are not really up to the job in 42. Brit torpedoes can do the job fairly well. The only other option is to take them on in a BB vs BB fight.

In my experience, Taking on the IJN BB's in 42 (or any other year) with Allied BB's is a bad idea. I've had a lot of fights with 3-1 odds and came out significantly the loser. I've had some fights with 1-1 odds and came out with total losses. I only engage Japanese BB's if they are solo and are already damaged via air attack.

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

Well, I got 18 bomb hits on a BB before it got out of trouble. It doesn't seem like I sank it, but hopefully it will at least waste some time getting repairs.

I'm playing with the new beta patch, and the feature where you can recall destroyed ground units doesn't seem to be working for me. I can recall one unit, but the rest of my destroyed units say the cost is "not defined." I'm into February, so I believe enough time should have passed to recall some of these--does anyone know is going on/I'm doing wrong?

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

Well, I got 18 bomb hits on a BB before it got out of trouble. It doesn't seem like I sank it, but hopefully it will at least waste some time getting repairs.

I'm playing with the new beta patch, and the feature where you can recall destroyed ground units doesn't seem to be working for me. I can recall one unit, but the rest of my destroyed units say the cost is "not defined." I'm into February, so I believe enough time should have passed to recall some of these--does anyone know is going on/I'm doing wrong?

You have to click on them and get a new screen that show the units current stats to "Define" it and get it changed in the destroyed unit list which will now show its cost to rebuild.

Beware that if the Command it is attached to is shown in orange text in the info screen that means it is permanantly attached to that command and cannot be changed with PPs after it is rebuilt. I discovered this the hard way after rebuilding units that are now useless to me because they can never be shipped anywhere.

It's the little things like a lack of explanation of how to use these functions and what the nuances of their use are that is the biggest source of frustration for this player. Time and time again new features like this are added with only a listing of the feature itself and no explanation of how they work. Far too much of the learning curve in this game is left to trial and error.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

IMHO you will find it easier to understand LCUs (your original starting off point of a few posts back) once you understand the following point. Everything in a unit is a device. It is immaterial as to whether one is referring to a squad of men, artillery tubes or radar set, every line item listed in the TOE is a device.
Alfred

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ORIGINAL: bjmorgan

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

IMHO you will find it easier to understand LCUs (your original starting off point of a few posts back) once you understand the following point. Everything in a unit is a device. It is immaterial as to whether one is referring to a squad of men, artillery tubes or radar set, every line item listed in the TOE is a device.
Alfred

You guys heard it here first. Alfred is calling all WWII veterans tools.

Well if an infantry squad is a device, and a device is a tool .....

Just kidding.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Post screenshots to show the different variables which impact.

Re Singapore or any hex. The non owning side also benefits from the terrain defense bonus. Plus how do you know the enemy is out of supply. Many threads show that units carry their own supply. They only run out of supply when their LOC is cut and they have consumed their own organic supply.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: wdolson

Early war Allied troops, especially in China, Burma and Malaya have very poor morale and experience levels.  Many times leadership is very poor too.  Conversely, early war Japanese usually have very good morale, experience, and better leadership.  The Chinese never improve all that much, but British, ANZAC, and American troops will improve dramatically over time.

The combat modifiers aren't a perfect report of what's going on.  The calculations make the US tax code look simple.  Trying to report that in a few lines, something gets lost in the translation sometimes.

When calculating the odds, support devices count as a fraction of AV for defense, but 0 for offense.  If you have a lot of base units, HQs, etc. in the stack, they will help when you're attacked, but adds nothing to your offensive power.  Combined with the poor morale, experience, and leadership levels of Allied early war troops, don't expect much offensive capability from them.  They might be able to slow down or even stall the Japanese for a while if you can get a bunch of units in a fortified hex with other terrain modifiers in your favor, but don't expect to be able to counter attack with much punch.

BTW, the issue with planes not attacking troops in a hex you own has been fixed.  It was a bug.  It should be in the next beta release.  I don't think it's in the one that is currently up.

Bill

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

The "64" = the percentage of the TOE currently in the unit
The "45" = the percentage of of the TOE which is fit for combat
Hence a unit with 100/100 = a unit fully fitted out to its TOE with all squads/devices fit and available for combat.

With replacements on, provided you have support squads available in the pools and the unit is located near a supply depot, then yes you will eventually have 90 support squads. Note each replacement support squad will cost you supply from the supply depot at the rate of 1 supply point per load cost.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: wdolson

BTW, the issue with planes not attacking troops in a hex you own has been fixed.  It was a bug.  It should be in the next beta release.  I don't think it's in the one that is currently up.

Bill

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ORIGINAL: brian800000

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ORIGINAL: wdolson

BTW, the issue with planes not attacking troops in a hex you own has been fixed.  It was a bug.  It should be in the next beta release.  I don't think it's in the one that is currently up.

Bill

Is there also possibly a bug with ACMs? I thought that they keep your mines from going under 150 if disbanded in a port, but mine are still eroding.