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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/16/2011 7:01:24 PM   
LoBaron


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I was probably right with Mike having no reppers with KB.
They disappeared, with high chances to of retreat north, and a small chance to continue sout or southeast (I don´t think so, but thats always something which can cost you)

He probably now knows that Vavau is my center of gravity in the area and not Pago Pago
but I guess I just have to live with that.

Tommorrow is 4th of July, no CV battles have been planned to celebrate though...

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/17/2011 5:23:45 PM   
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CA Canberra was sunk tryig to get to safely in townsville , she had been hit by 2 torpedoes off port moresby and was limping home

Sub attack near Palm Island at 94,142

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

Allied Ships
CA Canberra, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage



SS I-174 launches 6 torpedoes

The British CV's went for a suprise port attack on soerbaja where the dutch AF had previously hit the CA Maya , WE guessed (rightly) that the CA was in the repair shop and after 2 days of attacks it's left burning furiosuly with heavy damage. Even though none of the CV 500lb bombs penetrated they did det off some serious fires after blowing Mayas torpedoes into the sea and KOing several AA mounts.

Afternoon Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3



Allied aircraft
Albacore I x 31
Martlet II x 30
Swordfish I x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Albacore I: 2 damaged
Martlet II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Maya, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kamikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DMS W-5, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk


Over in burma the RAF was again flying CAP over Mandalay and several japanese raids were roughly handled even with the japanese flying in both sweeps and escorts , below is an example. The Nicks proved to be suprisingly hard to kill and also dished out as much damage as zeros with several hurricanes confused by the agility of these 2E planes.

Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 88
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 20



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 82
Hurricane IIc Trop x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 13


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40E Warhawk: 7 damaged



Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 10




Overall losses amounted to about 10 hurricanes caliming over 80 japanese kills on both fighters and bombers.

Game mechanics note .. Allies use a split CAP with the P40E's at 15k while the hurricane2b's flew at max alt while the hurricane 2c's flew at 25k. There was no string of dives from either side with most kills being from the usual 'x attack y at range z'. The P40E's while seeming baitlike claimed far more kills than losses (2) including the Zeros which had previously scared the yankee pilots witless.


In china the AVG had a last hurrah ws the usual oscar and in a last show of defiance clobbered sevaral enemy a/c with no friendly losses . Now the AVG is withdrawn (silly political decision you dumb politicos),, america will have a very large pool (90) of superb fighter pilots to crew its next squadrons. Unless ofc the CW authorites refuse them passports and indeture them into the American air groups currently flying in combat over burma. I have asked permission from LoBaron to steal his pools of P38E's for use in sweeps over Burma with the ex AVG pilots. I seriously doubt that approval will be recieved .

On a related note, the CW air force in india does not get any new fighter groups untill march 43 ! so let this be a public appeal for more american fighters (and fortresses .. even mitchells would be nice) to come and actually fight in the war as opposed to swaning about the pacific and hiding in fox holes when japanese air shows up .



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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/17/2011 9:08:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK




Overall losses amounted to about 10 hurricanes caliming over 80 japanese kills on both fighters and bombers.

Game mechanics note .. Allies use a split CAP with the P40E's at 15k while the hurricane2b's flew at max alt while the hurricane 2c's flew at 25k. There was no string of dives from either side with most kills being from the usual 'x attack y at range z'. The P40E's while seeming baitlike claimed far more kills than losses (2) including the Zeros which had previously scared the yankee pilots witless.



Aw shucks ... don't you realise you are attacking a shiboleth. You are just no fun.

Next you will be claiming that your 4E has been neutered by the enemy. Is nothing sacred.

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 7:32:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK




Overall losses amounted to about 10 hurricanes caliming over 80 japanese kills on both fighters and bombers.

Game mechanics note .. Allies use a split CAP with the P40E's at 15k while the hurricane2b's flew at max alt while the hurricane 2c's flew at 25k. There was no string of dives from either side with most kills being from the usual 'x attack y at range z'. The P40E's while seeming baitlike claimed far more kills than losses (2) including the Zeros which had previously scared the yankee pilots witless.



Aw shucks ... don't you realise you are attacking a shiboleth. You are just no fun.

Next you will be claiming that your 4E has been neutered by the enemy. Is nothing sacred.

Alfred


Yes, very weird. If this outrageous habit continues Rob will soon suggest we never witnessed an endless dive situation in the game up to now.
Sacrilege!

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 7:40:40 AM   
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In china the AVG had a last hurrah ws the usual oscar and in a last show of defiance clobbered sevaral enemy a/c with no friendly losses . Now the AVG is withdrawn (silly political decision you dumb politicos),, america will have a very large pool (90) of superb fighter pilots to crew its next squadrons. Unless ofc the CW authorites refuse them passports and indeture them into the American air groups currently flying in combat over burma. I have asked permission from LoBaron to steal his pools of P38E's for use in sweeps over Burma with the ex AVG pilots. I seriously doubt that approval will be recieved .

On a related note, the CW air force in india does not get any new fighter groups untill march 43 ! so let this be a public appeal for more american fighters (and fortresses .. even mitchells would be nice) to come and actually fight in the war as opposed to swaning about the pacific and hiding in fox holes when japanese air shows up .




If you feel that equipping a single US fighter group currently in the Burma area with P38E models makes a difference then give
it a try. More than one squadron is a no.
In case the US advances planned for late summer/early fall are timed with the arrival of the first F versions, which is possible,
another burma squadron could be equipped with E models.

As for more US fighter squads to your Jungle war over there I might point you to the fact the the fighter groups on Vavau were the only ones to bloody
KB´s nose a bit until now.
But we will see what we can do...

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 7:45:50 AM   
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I am still waiting for my 2 CV´s coming out of the drydock after refit, its first mission being the wake reinforcement.

The other interesting situation is KB showing up north from Efate.
If Mike likes to try a strike south to Noumea he may have some subs in the way in case they arrive in time.
We pray for a lucky hit...

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 5:35:09 PM   
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R.

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 7:05:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks alfred for your insightful comments . I had to google shiboleth as my initial thought was some some obscure referance to a devil in reveleations. The actual definition isn;t that far off


DEF
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Today, in the English language, a shibboleth also has a wider meaning, referring to any "in-crowd" word or phrase that can be used to distinguish members of a group from outsiders - even when not used by a hostile other group. The word is also sometimes used in a broader sense to mean jargon, the proper use of which identifies speakers as members of a particular group or subculture.
from wikipedia ..


I also forgot to say Hi to Richard (helmeye) who has the dubios pleasre of being a friend of mine in real life.

also welcome Solinvictus , a name that i remember from somewhere in the dim distant past. Same you ? or am I going mad .

As for the game itself , day off today it seems so i'll start a wee chat about china.

Pic 1st







Japan attacked our force pulling back from kukong and got heavily bounced , i was worried about his 2 armies linking up then attacking but as he didnt do that i strongly suspect that the force listed as 14 japanese units ,, is going for a river crossing , I just hope they dont get over tomorrow in the wooded hex northwest of thier current position as there will only be 1 ready corps and several moving in tomorrow.

jap attack ..


Ground combat at 79,55

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35262 troops, 281 guns, 521 vehicles, Assault Value = 1375

Defending force 37623 troops, 218 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1441

Japanese adjusted assault: 700

Allied adjusted defense: 2673

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3070 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 185 disabled
Non Combat: 32 destroyed, 159 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 24 disabled
Vehicles lost 103 (42 destroyed, 61 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2387 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 234 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 149 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled


Assaulting units:
15th Tank Regiment
66th Infantry Regiment
39th Division
5th Tank Regiment
51st Recon Regiment
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
3rd Tank Regiment
20th Recon Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
102nd Infantry Regiment
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
51st Engineer Regiment
68th Ind.Infantry Battalion
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
53rd Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
7th War Area
1st Artillery Regiment
3rd War Area
30th Group Army
25th Group Army
56th AT Gun Regiment

Up on the NE part of the map we have reducing the supply lines to Sian , chinese movement is shown as the yellow arrow , moving in combat formations following the most degraded corps so we all hopefully move at the same time. Where the big yellow ? is a potentian japanese outflanking move that i suspect offemceman will not miss. We have more troops in sian but they are repaiiring to one degree or another. More worrisome is the fact that we'll have to fight in non wooded terrain where the japanese airforce can crucify our troops. With the AVG gone we do not have much in the way of chinese fighters to help.

Purple circles are where we are holding off japanese forces at 1-1 on AV value. With the terrain mods we are pretty safe barring huge reinforcements.

Basically the most worrying thing is the japanese push up to the west of Changsha (forts 7!).. I really dont want to have to evac here but then again neither do i want to have a chinese stalingrad. We'll see what happens as the roads here do allow the chinese to move pretty fast compared to the rest of the map at least.

N cina next .. new post

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 7:22:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		North china , or as i refer to it .. japanese held territory.

The pics are pretty obvious , lines refer to where i plan to hold and the arrows are for the chinese 'raiders' to cut jap supply lines.

The term 'raiders' is used loosely as when the north seemed doomed LoBaron suggested i move up chinese cavalry units to harass the jap supply lines. so i did as it was a great suggestion. Sadly though when i broke down the cav corps that was there it became 3 infantry units ?? wierd. Still sent them off regardless but they are SLOW. more cav has arrived but will be needed to hold the mountains untill more troops arrive to relieve them.

My inbox just pinged with a new turn , lets see what transpired and we'll be back with new updates shortly.

Thanks again to everyone reading this.







EDIT :- the plane icon in Yenam is one chinese Lancer that is dsmaged there and has been for weeks , with the city resolutely remaining on 4 ! supply points regardless of supply pull buttons the situation on chinese supply is pretty terrible.

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 8:37:39 PM   
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Heres what happened over Mandalay today. Allies score well again vs the japanese with both hurricanes and P40's claiming kills vs Zeros and damageing several oscars and nicks.


Allied CAP was at :- Hurricane 2 B's 36k
Hurricane 2 C's 25k
P40E's 15k

Ill admit this is higher then historical , but look at the altitude of the incoming japanese from the combat report . Seems like LRCAP and local CAP clashed. Watching the entire combat yes there were a few attacks from behind from both sides but over all the losses were most definately in favour of the allies with only 1 hurricane downed for several zeros.

Morning Air attack on 143rd Infantry Regiment, at 59,46 (Mandalay)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 4
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 34
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7
B-17E Fortress x 18
P-40E Warhawk x 8


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
3rd Ku S-1 with A6M2 Zero (14 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(14 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
14 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 32810
Raid is overhead
13th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 35200
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
84th I.F.Chutai with Ki-43-Ia Oscar (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Raid is overhead
59th Sentai with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
77th Sentai Det A with Ki-43-Ic Oscar (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 38500
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes




Not trying to make any apologist remarks or taking sides here, just showing what our game is like.

TTFN




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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 8:42:14 PM   
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North china , or as i refer to it .. japanese held territory.

The pics are pretty obvious , lines refer to where i plan to hold and the arrows are for the chinese 'raiders' to cut jap supply lines.

The term 'raiders' is used loosely as when the north seemed doomed LoBaron suggested i move up chinese cavalry units to harass the jap supply lines. so i did as it was a great suggestion. Sadly though when i broke down the cav corps that was there it became 3 infantry units ?? wierd. Still sent them off regardless but they are SLOW. more cav has arrived but will be needed to hold the mountains untill more troops arrive to relieve them.

My inbox just pinged with a new turn , lets see what transpired and we'll be back with new updates shortly.

Thanks again to everyone reading this.







EDIT :- the plane icon in Yenam is one chinese Lancer that is dsmaged there and has been for weeks , with the city resolutely remaining on 4 ! supply points regardless of supply pull buttons the situation on chinese supply is pretty terrible.



thanks for that map - as I've just started my first game as Allies - and in all my games as Japanese the Allied opponents never seriously defended the north - it's a great help to have a few suggestions on possible strong points to mount a proper defense!
and I plan to use the 2 available Chinese Cavalry Corps too - I guess it's the best what the Chinese can put into the field in the early stages of the war...

as to me being "that" SolInvictus....not sure - any hints?

R.

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/18/2011 9:12:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello again , the best defence of the North in my opinion is taking Paotow (look to the east map edge) early on. which I did in this game. it completely halts japanese expansion up there early on , but supply was not getting through so we had to pull back and that left the door open for this romp in the backyard.

I have no idea how this will impact an alredy supply strapped china. also japan has a unit waiting for my small cav units on the main road (just moved and saw it) grrr .. but not unsuprising. Wonder how strong it is ? moved up some chinese planes to the north to hit jap formations just to get them out of move mode and slow the pains down. Also got some of the bigger (8-9) sized SB3 units railing up to ledo for use in china as 'movement stoppers' and annoyances. Chinese planes have been training for 6 months or so in india and thier skills are pretty good now, they do need exp gains however and those only really come from combat. A few free ground missions (untill japan flies in some AV support) won't hurt.

RE solinvictus <SP>.. think its because there was an army barracks called Invicta on the school run when i was a nipper .. Can't think of any other reason. hehe

RE china again .. Japan has indeed joined up its forces against the troops retiring from kukong , i have a horrible feeling we are going to get routed at the last minute

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 1/19/2011 7:51:21 PM   
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I was right,sadly, the chinese who had fought so hard and long in kukong were routed at 2-1 and lost 2+1/2 months of replacement troops. That will hurt me a lot in the near future as im not so sure i can even try and stop this lot from just bullying its way over the river. IF Offenceman makes a movement error and they turn up piecemeal we can masacre them, but i suspect he's not that careless .

Ground combat at 79,55

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 77221 troops, 666 guns, 1231 vehicles, Assault Value = 2887

Defending force 35623 troops, 218 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1262

Japanese adjusted assault: 2814

Allied adjusted defense: 1209

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2875 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 236 disabled
Non Combat: 81 destroyed, 346 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 61 disabled
Vehicles lost 239 (67 destroyed, 172 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
17690 casualties reported
Squads: 486 destroyed, 426 disabled
Non Combat: 256 destroyed, 180 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 24 disabled
Guns lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units retreated 11


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Out AT guns seem to have killed a lot of jap armour once again but he can replace that quickly if past experience is anything to go by. I need a long hard look at central china and some togh decisions need to be made smartish.








Air war Burma ..

for 2 days the allies fight off waves of japanese oscars at very high altitude and despite the japanese coming in over our max alt the losses screen shows 21 oscars lost to 2 hurricanes. From watching all the combats i am not convinced we killed 21 oscars but all 3 plane types IIb IIc and P40E's got kills. The B17's made it through both days in horrible weather and did little ground damage but then again were not responsible for any air kills (yet to see a B17 shoot down a fighter).

more tomorrow fellow forumites.

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Thorn - 1/23/2011 10:07:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quiet turn except for the British collecting Japanese torpedoes for no apparent reason. New hobby? The USN tried
to drop this habit some time ago, sadly its really addictive.
Repulse does better than US CV´s and while collecting all in all 4(!!!) torps in the last few weeks she is still quite helthy.


I launched operation Thorn today (12 Jul, 42), the name quite in consent with the idea.

Mike is prepping units for Wake, currently defended by a small Marine Def Btl. This will change if possible.
The 6k troop limit makes it difficult to assign the correct balance of force but I think I found one that is both balanced, and expendable if
not enough.

I don´t know where Mikes CVs are, so I hope to keep the exposure time as short as possible, but its entirely possible that there will be a CV battle
as a result. I hope you are ready to cross fingers if it comes to this, because its still a bit early to call this "even odds". Still I am willing to risk that,
the USN is already strong enough to hurt KB in the right circumstances.

Note that the CV Groups carry 2 additional VMF squads instead of 2 TB units, the Catalinas will fly over from Pearl as soon as the base is secure.



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RE: Thorn - 1/23/2011 11:02:41 PM   
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Reports indicate the Repulse has eaten 2 more torpedoes coming in for fuel at Perth. The designer of the ant sub baffles and torpedo belt has been given the george cross for excellence of design. Despite eating 4 torps the repluse entered Perth on 12/45(35)/0 .. tied up pierside untill the flot gets to 35 and more DD's turn up (with the fleet) she will head to CT for lenghty repairs. All available ausiies fighters have been sent to Perth as a KB visit could be imminent given he know Repulses location. The main RN fleet 3 days out has to get to Perth for urgent fuel else i would divert them. CV illustrious due for withdrawl is 4 days from Colombe which is having an infestation of jap subs. One reported hit by DC's today and extra ASW sent to meet the CV.

British and sllied bombers go for 2 attack

1) Rangoonas fighter numbers were low according to recon , only a few zeroes intercepted the B17's and none were damaged , allied bombing accuracy was terrible and the runways barely scratched . Japanese troops were hit near mandalay too by Lb30's and Wellingtons . 33rd div was lightly damaged but allied fighters again took out 11 oscars in the air for no loss. Tomorrow the forts will go in too as jap AV is 2500 vs 1800 allied . we need some help to guarantee succestul defence.

Fort Madoein in jave hit forts 5 , and all building has been stopped to conserve supply. Japan appears content to wait me out here as his bombers suffer heavy AA damage and 1-2 show down each turn when they turn up. no break out or surrender . its a snatdoff and i still have 60k supply left.

Cocos and christmas island get more supply and fuel (fuel badly needed for sub ops).

thats all from my end of the war.






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RE: Thorn - 2/2/2011 11:16:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Been a quiet few days both in game and LoBaron went skiing , lucky soul.

Untill the 25th and 26th July 1942.

Japan has been marshalling its airforce in burma and while the allies noticed a fighter buildup in magwe and sent in a test night raid:-

Night Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 12
B-17E Fortress x 10
LB-30 Liberator x 7


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground




Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Weather really hurt any real results, Come dawn on the 25th hordes of japanese fighters were seen on radar approaching Mandalay , and today the RAF was in a fight for its existense in Burma (which it lost).

This is just one example of the overpwering numbers japan can throw aginst the allies in 42.

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 40,250 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 82
A6M3 Zero x 12



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 67
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 3 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed


that was the 1st of 6 fighter only dweeps over mandalay in 2 days. bombers arrived with even more escorts so i shudder at the sheer number of jap fighters available to Offenceman. Given 40-50 zeros kept popping up (im asuming as LRCAP over mandalay) there was still well over 400 jap planes vs the allies c.80 or so. and with the P40's on night duty to harass nellys the day defence was an entirely commonwealth affair.

Clear weather on the 26th cleaned the allied clock thoroughly.

Morning Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 39,200 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 57
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 34



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 20
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 3 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed

In more bad news a dutch sub was very badly damaged off north sumatra.

ASW attack near Sabang at 45,70

Japanese Ships
DD Minegumo
DD Yugiri
DD Kasumi

Allied Ships
SS KXI, hits 5, heavy damage

ASW group ? or CV escort ? can't tell sadly but air forces in sri lanka have been put on standby just in case.



Todays air losses .. Brits just cant replace hurricanes at these rates .. time to fall back to india with the RAF and have a brief rethink and a refit. looks like japan really has had enough of the CW being a pain in the butt in burma and come at me with the full panapoly of war ! yikes.




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RE: Thorn - 2/7/2011 7:19:07 PM   
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Good news , the SS KXI will be in colombo next turn and despite a couple of floods en-route she should be ok.

CHINA ..

Now im confused , it appears japan is pulling out of north china ? maybe hes trashed the industry and doesnt want to keep troops there, china is attempting to recapture what we can and see the state of whats left. Elsewhere its a stalemate with japan really cutting back on her bombardments which indicates a supply shortage to me. Thats great news as china is so starved of supply even sian is stuck on 80 and cannot repair planes .eek. The airlift from ledo is currently on hold as those a/c are flying in supply to Burma (more later).. Chinese SB III's are harassing him and gathering recon (which they had been traind for in india). Also hopefully next turn the chinese fighters will contest his bombing of changsha with some force .. fingers crosses.

Most chinese fighting units are now into the late 50's and even early 60's with experiance now due to all the shelling they suffered , so i'm much more confident they can hold in good terrain now.


Burma.

Mandalay still holds and mercillessly batters any japanse bombardments here. lets look at an example from the 29th.



Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 51769 troops, 549 guns, 113 vehicles, Assault Value = 2673

Defending force 64121 troops, 962 guns, 1450 vehicles, Assault Value = 2205

Japanese ground losses:
990 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
42nd Infantry Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
14th Tank Regiment
41st Guard Battalion
33rd Division
Imperial Guards Division
2nd RTA Division
5th Recon Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
21st Division
1st Tank Regiment
4th RTA Division
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th AA Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
51st Field AA Battalion
31st Field AA Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
7th Australian Division
Rangoon BAF Battalion
3rd Burma Rifles Battalion
1st Burma Division
16th British Brigade
7th Armoured Brigade
6th Australian Division
75th Indian Brigade
9th Burma Rifles Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
14th British Brigade
Railway BAF Battalion
23rd British Brigade
107th RAF Base Force
2/11th Field Regiment
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
104th RAF Base Force
103rd RN Base Force
2/13th Field Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
Burma Corps
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
103rd RAF Base Force
2/9th Field Regiment
221 Group RAF
RAF 222 Group Base Force


Theres a lot of troops from both sides here as you can see. allied recon spotted a japanese flanking move up the road west of magwe and aimed at scwebo .. allied bombers took off to harass and gain intel, the brit medium blenhiems and hudsons managed to lose thier close escort of P38's and flew into the jaws of the waiting Nicks , massacre .. all planes over 2 days destroyed but a good few pilots survived. The B17's (not many) hit too and damaged the Thai 1 RTA Div , thats the only uniy listed so im withdrawing the 7th armoured bridage from Mandalay and 2 indian brigades to hammer this unit back to where it belongs. mean while a relieving brigade will rail in from lashio to help bolster the defence while the tanks are away.


Java ..

Dutch planes flew into Madeoin and suprised the japanaese bombers nailing several helens and sinking 3AP's 2 CM's and hopefully 3 Tankers and 3-4 AKs for little loss despite zeros over soerbaja. the LR hudsons and mitchells hit the tankers in palembang and no japanese CAP was encountered.

2 australian cavalry brigades are loading up for redeployment to cocos and christmas is as more defence vs invasion. I'm beginning to hope the CW can hold onto these islands as they could be a nasty thorn for japan once the allies get some fighters with longer legs. Given how much of the dutch af is still alive and well (and the army too) , shame the designers stopped all new dutch a/c after may/june 42 .. historical yes but we arent in a historical game so some few extra P40's/hurricanes and even better mitchells would be mana from heaven for the dutch as thier crews are damn good now.

BB yamato with 4CA's and DD escorts hammed a small AKL convoy west of Java and while the brit CV';s were close by the high command decided not to risk them as its very unlikely japan woild sail that TF without CV support , some subs were re directed and spotted the SC group heading SE to batavia but no CV's or even a/c noticed . Might have missed a golden opportunity here but the potential for disater was immense.



Todays a/c losses .. pretty good ..

Speaking of a/c and supply , india is a pain for supply right now, only calcutta has over 20k even though bombay has 600k none of its moving anywhere even with the supply pull system , i just dont think i understand it yet rather than yell broken . However one glitch which does look a bit broken is swebo .. no supply ever get here even with mandaly in the green and flying in tons to mythilinka , evenr other base is ok just scwebo in the red ?? very odd and damn annoying as i want a fighter base here as well as a good fort if mandaly become untenable.

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RE: Thorn - 2/7/2011 7:32:33 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 01, 42

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Sub attack near Naha at 94,68

Japanese Ships
DD Sagiri, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
PB Eiko Maru #2
DMS W-19
AO Kokuyo Maru
TK Kyokuyo Maru
TK Goyo Maru
E Kunashiri
PB Kinsyo Maru #4
PB Yamadori Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pompano


Other news is that I am starting to mass my V bomber command units in the south. 1 1/2 months before the HQ arrives at Charters Towers
and I sincerely hope I will max out its use.
Vavau and Noumea are steadily growing in strenght for the late 42 offensives.

Also I start to wonder if its possible for Mike to conquer Wake with anything less than 3 regiments. Forts are already lvl5 and I got enough there
to throw a small invation back into the water, including defensive mines and arty.
Troop count is just over 6000 so supply consumption is still below the red mark, but I guess the island will need a bit more still.

Still, the British do the fighting at the moment, ocmbined with whats left of the Dutch, so I have to balance carefully between building up stock
and give Rob enough so he does not lose the air war completely. He is fighting like hell but Mike throws about everything he thinks safe
into Burma now.
Rob mentioned that he hasn´t seen many Netties and I can only agree. All of my moves have to be well planned and under air cover because
probably quite a number of the torp armedd zippos are ready to counter any seaborne invasion.

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RE: Thorn - 2/7/2011 8:10:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rob I think the P38E are no good escorts for the Hudsons and Blenheims.

They don´t have the same HQ and the cruis speed is awfully different.
200 for the bombers, 300 for the Lightnings.

So that sums up, if anything else goes wrong for whatever reason chnaces are high they go in uncoordinated.

I wonder what happens if you use them in the sweep (AKA high cover) role. True, the bombers have no direct protection but
it could hurt those pesky Niks and since chances for coordination are bad anyway it doesnt make much difference...

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RE: Thorn - 2/8/2011 1:04:10 AM   
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anyway heres Burma and i'll not go into all the other rambling i had talked about.

TTFN





PS LoBaron ,, how attached are you to the new B17F ? Winston has requested we replace the ageing and tiny fleet of B17D's or even free up a few E models for the other groups. They seem to be the only planes that can survive in burma for now. Howveer the RAF is almost rebuilt and plans will unfold in at most a week. Japan seems unable to close the runways at Mandalay much to my suprise although Scwebo supply is a real pain (as already whinged about last post ).

Brits are also diverting some heavy AA guns to Burma from the seemingly now safe colombo along with some more infantry. colombo still has one heavy brit Div and im not moving that until im certain japan wont come calling. But given his troop needs in burma and Java i dont think he has much else spare for any huge invasions , but i could be wrong and it wont be the 1st time

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RE: Thorn - 2/8/2011 4:35:59 AM   
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DRAT ! , wrote a huge post and timed out so lost the LOT!



I hate that! It happened to me a lot before they fixed my Internet connection, so I formed a habit that I recommend: When you are ready to post, with your cursor still in the text window, type Control-A, then Control-C, then go ahead and send your post. If it gets lost, you then have a chance to open up Notepad (or whatever you like) and Control-V to paste your post.



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RE: Thorn - 2/8/2011 5:29:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
PS LoBaron ,, how attached are you to the new B17F ? Winston has requested we replace the ageing and tiny fleet of B17D's or even free up a few E models for the other groups. They seem to be the only planes that can survive in burma for now. Howveer the RAF is almost rebuilt and plans will unfold in at most a week. Japan seems unable to close the runways at Mandalay much to my suprise although Scwebo supply is a real pain (as already whinged about last post ).


I will think about it when the B26 group I sent you survives more than 48 hours, Commander "Lets torch some Blenheim" Brennan...

TBH I am streched too thin atm. I will stop using and upgrading to B17E models and will try to get my current E versions up to either F or Liberator types.
This way I can free up B17E for you.

I like it better if you got one pool to drain only.


Just in case the above stirs any misunderstandings: What you do in Burma is F******* awesome!!



Only a thought re the current situation:

IMO as long as the Japanese player is able to, he must run at minimum 3 operations at once and this is where Mike makes a mistake.
(no critzism directed at Mike, it could well be that he simply cannot handle a big additional operation right now).

Why?

Because 1 operation is China, 1 operation is Burma - and if the opponent fights like Rob Burma is tough -, and 1 operation is somewhere else to keep
the US at bay with emphasis on "somewhere else" and I really mean a remote area on the other side of the map.

If the Japanese player doesn´t do this, Burma gets ssupplied with US forces if applicable and this makes the task to the west even harder. Better keep one enemy to one side and the other
to the other. And you only can do that by attacking. Digging in is not the same because it gives the US (me) the freedom to decide if, and what,
I want to build up and what to give Rob for Burma. And thats exactly what I am doing right now. Giving me that choice is a bad idea on the long run.

At least thats my theory.

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RE: Thorn - 2/8/2011 6:47:26 AM   
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RE: Thorn - 2/8/2011 2:43:26 PM   
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quote:

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DRAT ! , wrote a huge post and timed out so lost the LOT!



I hate that! It happened to me a lot before they fixed my Internet connection, so I formed a habit that I recommend: When you are ready to post, with your cursor still in the text window, type Control-A, then Control-C, then go ahead and send your post. If it gets lost, you then have a chance to open up Notepad (or whatever you like) and Control-V to paste your post.






I used to copy it all before hitting the post key but got out of the habit, didnt know the Ctrl shortcuts though, thanks.
quote:


Burma gets ssupplied with US forces


Copy of the above sent to winston, we eagerly await more invisible US materiel . (while blithly ignoring the P40's and P38's that have been ordered to paint out the USAAF insignia before winnie arrives for an inspection).

Seriouly though I'm kidding and ofc i doubt we could have a serious misunderstanding LoBaron , it's more like an allied 'love in' and a marriage atm as opposed to serious arguments. Lets not dwell on any messy divorces though.

Not sure if the band the shamen ever make it as far as austria , much less the USA, but E's are good

info :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebeneezer_Goode

song :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPzv_EwxMl0

Alfred - saucy


Heres a piccie of Java for referance. The Bastion is at fort level 5 and stopped building a while ago to conserve supplies. As you can see we aren't going to run out anytime soon and its tying down 2 jap divs and some armoured regimenta he's kept as a mobile reserve to stop me from sneaking out and being troublesome. not to mention Japan really nees to look after its convoys around here too and there is only a finite number of jap fighter groups.




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RE: Thorn - 2/8/2011 8:56:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Invisible US material eh? This will have diplomatic consequences! How dare you? After all we are doing for you in the Atlantic!

Wonder how 2v1 or 2v2 could work without being able to understand the Allied operations and requirements.
Thats the basics that have to work. Although permanent misunderstandings would probably be a bit more historical...
Also we were wise enough to separate oprational areas and national responsibilities, I cannot imagine this to work well if its different.
Were a good match.



Sure I know that song. Wakes memories of 90s style clubs and loads of alcohol. Damn I´m getting old...


quote:

Not sure if the band the shamen ever make it as far as austria


I notice you did not check the wiki link in detiail:
"Austrian Singles Chart[4] 11"

Although I depend either on heavy guitars or really old guys like Brahms and Mahler to feel really at home.

Wonder if our opponent knows this one. Its about America:

Old record with Herbert von Karajan, low quality, but still the version I like best with the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
Dvorak - Symphony No. 9 "From the New World" - II



Alfred thanks, but until my presumed analytical capabilities prevent me from rushing headlong into one of Mikes carefully laid traps I still
have to cross quite some gap between theory and praxis in this PBEM.

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RE: Thorn - 2/9/2011 12:44:04 AM   
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Invisible US material eh? This will have diplomatic consequences! How dare you? After all we are doing for you in the Atlantic!


You mean Admiral King completely ignoring our advice and not setting up convoys or turning off the lights in major ports .. what are those bubbles near the stature of liberty i wonder . Although the 30 4 stackers were indeed very very useful for plugging a much needed escort gap. Now ante up on the Liberators and invade iceland !

We are a good match if im honest , I just like being historical and wailing about needing more (not that i dont but i respect you might need the odd plane too). The extra E models have been grabbed by frantic ground crew before any presidential change of mind.

RE clubs ?? those were the days , long lost and some best left forgotten.

Speaking of traps , the dutch lepy back into Madoein with thier last remaining fighters and nobbled a few free jap bombers , including some nells , no doubt he's got a ton of replacement airframes but i hope i got a few pilots in the mix too. also the 1st dutch ACE ! willkommen.

Morning Air attack on Madioen , at 54,104

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 21



Allied aircraft
B-339D x 6


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged



todays big action was in Burma however. Japan tried to lower the forts with an engineer assault. They failed fortunately and took some heavy losses , our vehicle losses seem to be mostly motorised support for the brit 7th armoured and the caribiniers new stuarts , my mistake on the caribiniers as i left a complete fool in charge of the unit with land skill 34 , fired and replaced with mr average at 51 ish. Allied artillery is hurting badly too in mandalay and down to 50% TOE , pools are low/empty for now. New units are being moved to the burmese border and the chinese 89th <iirc> corps now at 89% TOE is railing to ledo to be flown in as its mostly infantry with little heavy equipment. Shwebo remains stubbornly low on supply however.

No japanese experience bonus or Command bonus on combat is interesting , maybe the 2 RTA divs drag his overall exp down. From watching the results (albeit speeded up) the imp guards got gutted as well as 2-3 independant regiments, being in jungle with malaria i hope Japan cant get the damaged units back online very effeciantly.


Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 69637 troops, 663 guns, 520 vehicles, Assault Value = 2744

Defending force 63903 troops, 962 guns, 1448 vehicles, Assault Value = 2188

Japanese adjusted assault: 1148

Allied adjusted defense: 5258

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
8209 casualties reported
Squads: 62 destroyed, 363 disabled
Non Combat: 33 destroyed, 615 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 82 disabled
Vehicles lost 163 (6 destroyed, 157 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
838 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 161 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 357 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 137 (11 destroyed, 126 disabled) oof !


Piccie of N China .. all very odd .. and glacial movement isnt going to lead to any chinese counterattack antime soon. the big red ? is i know theres a jap unit up there but its moved away from my 'partisans' (read buggered inf corps in mountains with no supply).wopnder if my cav corps can cut him off ? I'm not counting any chickens here and it could all be a diversion , so chinese liberators are restriced to close by inf divs and the cavalry, the line still has to be held in the south.




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RE: Thorn - 2/9/2011 7:32:51 AM   
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Although I depend either on heavy guitars or really old guys like Brahms and Mahler to feel really at home.

Wonder if our opponent knows this one. Its about America:

Old record with Herbert von Karajan, low quality, but still the version I like best with the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
Dvorak - Symphony No. 9 "From the New World" - II



Hmmn...."really old guys like Brahms and Mahler"

Which would make Bach and Telemann?

I would have thought your absolute favourite is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxzg_iM-T4E

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RE: Thorn - 2/9/2011 10:02:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey! Great find Alfred, thanks. I did not know this vid.

Bach is obvious. One of the really great composers of all time and thats why I make an exception
for him.
My absolute favourite is Bach - Cello Suite No. 1 in G Major.


With Telemann I got difficulties though, for the same reason why I don´t really like guys like
Georg Friedrich Händel. They were the Barock crowd with very rhytmical melodies often
escorted by a hammering cembalo. I can´t explain why but it simply does not grab me.

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 2/10/2011 3:35:38 AM   
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Been following yout AAR for 1 month now. Really interesting-keep at it.

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RE: LoBaron + Robbrennan vs Offenceman, allied secret AAR - 2/12/2011 11:48:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Welcome augustas (aka James my elder brother, although i'm bound to to gte told off for the elder bit).. enjoy the ride , and ofc call me for more inside info.

Aug 10 and 11 1942.

Been a quiet few tunes seince i last updated but today sees a bit of a culmination of allied plans , albeit not exactly long term ones and tomorrow will be the BIG DAY in burma as the op is now known as.

Anyhoo .. sent in the ammam rifles to port blair (andaman islands IO) , they unloaded with no loss but the small and expendable AP's got clobbered by a decent jap surface fleet on the 10th. (pictured) . both AP's sinking.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Blair at 46,58, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CL Jintsu
CL Kinu
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio
DD Hayashio
DD Maikaze
DD Murasame

Allied Ships
xAP Van Overstraten, Shell hits 35, and is sunk
xAP Limerick, Shell hits 35, and is sunk


Both sides are experimenting with night ops and maybe some house rules (we use night a/c on 50% rest as a starter one, but might change for brit bombers and later dates all tba) .. magwe got hit for 2 days and lost according to intel

11 oscars
10 nicks
3 zeros

Seems a tad high especially as its 0% moonlight, although the crews are pretty experienced. We'll be hitting japanese ground troops tomorow as huge numbers of allied fighters head to mandalay to play with the JAAF and JNAF , no idea if this will be a good or a bad idea and we have mixed bag of mostly hurricanes and P40E's with a sprinkling of p38E's. the chines airforce and some weaker hurricanes still provide CAP over ledo (our main air transport hub) vs speculative jap bombing.

To try and help dilute the usual huge jap sweeps over mandalay the brit LB30's hit bankok on the 8th and killed a few transport planes for nil loss , and the night attack is aimed at inducing the japanese to fly one fighter unit at night. The losses on field are just a bonus to an end here.

Japan continues to mop up in the south DEI but the sussies have reinforced saumlaki island (280 miles N or darwin) with a small brigade and base force along with CD guns (which will hopefully be a suprise for japan).

Aussie beaufighters have the range to fly to madoein from broome and do so today as japan has reinstated its unescorted bombing of the bastion , presumably under the impression that the dutch fighters are spent (accurate as it happens).

British Cv's patrolling the indian ocean in an attempt to catch a small jap landing force have given up and head to cocos for fuelling and detaching a decent SC fleet while the CV's head back to cape town to withdraw the CV formidable (might go to colombo instead , depends on circumstances) , the CW is in need of planes so i'm leaving the carrier sirgroups in theatre. Maybe gamey but it did happen IRL on occasion. also the withdrawls are down to historical matters , none of which actually are really in effect in our game. IE Java still holding out in aug 42 and the CW fighting tooth and nail for Burma.


Tomorrow should be 'interesting'




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