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Once a crew abandons a tank is there a way to get them ... - 12/12/2000 12:00:00 AM   
max

 

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Status: offline 		thx , maybe they just do it automatically ... also is there an option to have the top open or buttoned ??? thx

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- 12/12/2000 12:12:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		1-Crews will reenter vehicles once their suppression is sufficiently low. They must remain in the hex with the vehicle. 2-Nope. The crew decides whether to be open or buttoned. This is based on crew morale, and amount of suppression.

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- 12/12/2000 1:49:00 AM   
max

 

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Status: offline 		thank you Grumble !!

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- 12/12/2000 2:26:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same is true for crewed weapons (AT/AA guns, mortars, and fortifications). Provided you can keep the enemy from firing at them, and they can rally to a "ready state", they will usually re-man the weapons. Once had a US 76mm AT gun kill a PzKpfw-IV(j), receive fire from 2 others, break, abandon the gun, rally, re-man, kill a second one, take fire, break, rally, re-man, kill a PzKpfw-Vd, take fire, break, and run for the rear! And this crew was new....first battle of Utah-Rhine. Think what they're gonna be like when they get a little more experience!

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- 12/12/2000 6:45:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heh, that reminds me of a generated German delay vs. Soviet advance - I had a 76mm AT gun that was abandoned, the Soviet force had bypassed it, ignoring the crew. A few turns later, it was re-manned, and, using the 3 shots it had, killed 2 T-28 and damaged another tank. It then got another kill during the Soviet's turn. It was really something to see! Sadly, they didn't make it...

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- 12/12/2000 9:12:00 AM   
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Originally posted by Flashfyre: Same is true for crewed weapons (AT/AA guns, mortars, and fortifications). Provided you can keep the enemy from firing at them, and they can rally to a "ready state", they will usually re-man the weapons. Once had a US 76mm AT gun kill a PzKpfw-IV(j), receive fire from 2 others, break, abandon the gun, rally, re-man, kill a second one, take fire, break, rally, re-man, kill a PzKpfw-Vd, take fire, break, and run for the rear! And this crew was new....first battle of Utah-Rhine. Think what they're gonna be like when they get a little more experience!
Pure one-up-manship: in an early U2R battle I had a Sherman M4(75) crew return to their vehicle after abandoning it twice (shot at by stug IIIs and PIVs), finished the battle with an extra 8 kills, including stugs IIIs, PIV's, PSW-234-/4 (75mm L48 AC), sdkfz - 251, and finally, a Panther at 6 hexes. The killer was that the rest of the platoon had upgraded to 76mm and this was the only one still as a 75 - and the only one to realy survive the battle (of 5: 2 total killed, 2 down to mgs only, one of them immobilised)

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- 12/12/2000 10:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just goes ta show....keep yer crews safe, and they can make a difference. Sadly, the AI never does so. Surviving crewmen always seem to charge my lines, only ta get shot up and killed. Or they keep retreating 'til I chase 'em down and run over 'em with my armor!

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- 12/12/2000 11:06:00 PM   
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Originally posted by Flashfyre: ... the AI never does so. Surviving crewmen always seem to charge my lines
This should be easy to correct - like the unit class "26 utility vehicle" which runs from battle imidately when unloaded they could retreat no matter what ... Thnk this should work ?! Arralen [This message has been edited by Arralen (edited December 12, 2000).]

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- 12/13/2000 12:17:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		remanning was one of the main complaints i had from the original. Enemy tanks would get suppressed and flee, then a couple of turns later they would reman the tank again. In the mean time a non-crewed tank was not a valid target. I once had an enemy kv1 remanned half a dozen times and start shootuing at me, due to smoke and terrain i couldn't shoot at the crew and suddenly the tank would be shooting me again. It is not as prevalent in this release because tanks don't get as much suppression from small arms fire and low quality guns which do not have much chance against them.

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- 12/13/2000 2:01:00 AM   
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Originally posted by jerrek: I once had an enemy kv1 remanned half a dozen times and start shootuing at me, due to smoke and terrain i couldn't shoot at the crew and suddenly the tank would be shooting me again.
I always have a few tubes of mortars tasked with supressing crewmen who have abandoned their vehicles. Whenever I see enemy crew exit their vehicle, I assign a mortar to bombard their hex. Usually after two or three turns they have run away or have been killed. If I am not sure, I keep bombing their hex until I get some infantry to examine/destroy the vehicle. BA Evans

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- 12/13/2000 4:57:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a side note....But has anybody noticed that when you abandon a perfectly working tank (that nobody hasn't seen yet) - it is invisible to enemy troops/vehicles! - Even to squads in the same hex...! Is this right? I mean, this is really a bug that somebody might use to cheat...

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- 12/13/2000 2:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, Arralen, I think something like that could work. Problem is, if they're set to flee the field right away, then there goes the chance to rally and reman the weapon/vehicle. What I think MIGHT work is to instruct the AI, thru unit coding, that the "crewman" unit is not valid to move closer to known enemy units (thereby keeping them from suicide charging), and it's primary task is to rally and reman the weapon (subject to supression results). In this way, crews that bail, either from heavy supression or vehicle damage, won't start acting like infantry and join in the advance. Also, they would be more likely to reman their guns. And if the weapon/vehicle is destroyed, then their task becomes on of retreat off the map. Thoughts? ------------------ The Motor Pool http://www.geocities.com/aurion_eq/index.html?976419304550 [email]kmcferren@cvn.net[/email]

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- 12/13/2000 2:32:00 PM   
max

 

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Status: offline 		Also , can another crew member hop into the tank or does it have to be the original crew that abandoned the tank ???

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- 12/14/2000 12:54:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Max,- it seems to be that only original crew can man the tank. I think it would neat if some crew who has lost their tank could get into a tank which mens are killed. But...

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- 12/14/2000 1:01:00 AM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		Flashfyre, -It could be easier if the crew value without it's main weapons is more than a value of their equipment. In campaign games it's all the same, you'll just have to keep them alive. In scenarios I use crews to clear mines, they are not handy in it, but they add their effort to win a battle. What you say about sending themto recon-missions, I'll agree that it's not what they'll suppose to do.

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