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Tutorial - 12/8/2010 11:17:13 AM   
nukkxx5058


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Status: offline 		Hi, I see the tutorial scenario but I don't see any explanations even in the manual. Where are instructions to play the tutorial ? thx.
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RE: Tutorial - 12/8/2010 11:20:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's a tutorial manual in the "manuals" folder (Matrix Games>Gary Grigsby's War in the East>manuals>WITETutorialManual). Post any questions you might have about the tutorial here or in another thread about the tutorial and I'll try to answer them.

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RE: Tutorial - 12/8/2010 11:25:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent, I missed it ! Thanks !

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RE: Tutorial - 12/8/2010 11:36:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		One part of the tutorial is not entirely correct, but it was sadly discovered too late to be fixed prior to release.

From the section describing the deliberate attack:

quote:

There are some cases (e.g. combat units with insufficient MP, non-artillery combat units
in a stack two hexes away) where you will have to manually deselect units before you will be
allowed to attack.


It is not true that you have to manually deselect units for a deliberate attack if some of the selected units don't have the required amount of MP's. The deliberate attack mouse cursor icon won't be displayed if trying to attack with a selection including units that don't have enough MP's for it, but you can still attack by right clicking as you would do normally.

All units that can make the deliberate attack will then do so, the units that can't simply won't do anything. The appearance of the deliberate attack cursor icon indicates that all units can attack, the lack of such an icon doesn't necessarily mean no units in the selection can make the deliberate attack.

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RE: Tutorial - 12/8/2010 2:57:25 PM   
nukkxx5058


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RE: Tutorial - 12/8/2010 3:40:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hopefully the tutorial that I wrote (well the first thirty pages or so) combined with references to the main manual will help get you up to speed fairly quickly. The bigger challenge will be in learning the various nuances, strategies and tactics to achieve your goals.

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RE: Tutorial - 12/8/2010 4:11:34 PM   
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RE: Tutorial - 12/8/2010 10:52:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The on-map combat values (attack with a attack/MP counter setup and attack and defence with a combat counter setup as selected in the options screen) you see on a stack is the combined total for the entire stack/all units in the stack. You can view the individual unit strengths in the unit panel to the right when the stack is selected. The MP's that are displayed when you've set the counters to show attack/MP are the MP's for the unit with the most MP's in the stack, not with the least MP's or any other possibility. Thanks to lparkh for the heads up.

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RE: Tutorial - 12/9/2010 12:53:25 AM   
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quote:

The on-map combat values (attack with a attack/MP counter setup and attack and defence with a combat counter setup as selected in the options screen) you see on a stack is the combined total for the entire stack/all units in the stack.


Yes at first I thought I had this awesome 8 point unit in my stack along with others when it was really like a 2,2 and 4


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RE: Tutorial - 12/9/2010 2:40:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I just ran the tutorial, and the Germans abandoned Veliye Luki without a fight on turn 2. Disappointing this happened.

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RE: Tutorial - 12/9/2010 2:51:46 AM   
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RE: Tutorial - 12/9/2010 2:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Did no one bother to proofread the tutorial? I can understand the odd rules error due to the iterative nature of development, but the numerous grammar and punctuation errors are pretty inexcusable. Overall, I'm really pleased with the game and the documentation, most of which seems to be the product of much care, in light of which the sloppiness of something as short as the tutorial really stands out.

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RE: Tutorial - 12/9/2010 4:17:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just finished the tutorial with a major Soviet victory, not least because the game awarded me 240 points for Velikie Luki and 130 for Novosokolniki. Those numbers seem to be too high. I held VL for 8 turns = 80 points and still had it at the end of the scenario = 100 points, so shouldn't I get just 180 points? And while I don't remember exactly when I took Novosokolniki I know that it was for much less than 8 turns, so even including the 50 points for holding it at the finish the 130 points seem too many. What am I missing?

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RE: Tutorial - 12/9/2010 5:43:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		The per turn points are per "player-turn", so they are actually scored twice per complete turn.

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RE: Tutorial - 12/9/2010 5:47:27 PM   
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quote:

Did no one bother to proofread the tutorial? I can understand the odd rules error due to the iterative nature of development, but the numerous grammar and punctuation errors are pretty inexcusable. Overall, I'm really pleased with the game and the documentation, most of which seems to be the product of much care, in light of which the sloppiness of something as short as the tutorial really stands out.


The tutorial was a last minute thing and though people did read the original parts and my part and I believe those were mostly OK, but a number of final changes were made that nobody read before it was published. I have already posted about the currently inconsistent use of punctuation in the text on the developer forum, so hopefully the tutorial will be in a better shape after the next patch.

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