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RE: TURNS 6-7 - 12/11/2010 3:41:35 PM   
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RE: TURNS 6-7 - 12/11/2010 3:50:47 PM   
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RE: TURNS 6-7 - 12/11/2010 3:56:34 PM   
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RE: TURNS 6-7 - 12/11/2010 4:00:59 PM   
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RE: TURNS 6-7 - 12/11/2010 5:01:29 PM   
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It looks like you have really whittled down the Soviet AFVs.  Couple of turns ago 6K+.  Now, they are at a level of 3.5K.  Looking good.

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RE: TURNS 6-7 - 12/11/2010 6:49:22 PM   
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The AI keeps a lot of armour near the front.I systematically try to pocket all the mobile units. The next turn they surrender with all their tanks.

I suppose I should have quite a nice stockpile of captured soviet tanks now, but I did not find where I can get the info.

Leningrad looks toast.
I'm reorganising AGC into 3 armies with 4 4 divisions corps each. that makes a nice 48 infantry divisions.
AGN and AGS will be reorganised around the lines.

Panzer groups will be made of two corps each with 2 armour and 1 motorised division.
Excess motorised division will be grouped together. I think I'l regroup the SS motorised divisions into a strong mobile force. Attaching assault guns may turn that into nice armoured force.

Rail repair is advancing regularly, at a rate of 3 thexes per turn except in the north were the line is much shorter.

I still need to have a look a support units to see how it works more in detail and air operations. So far I leave that entirely to the AI; So I don't know how well or badly it is doing.

Many details to learn yet it's fairly easy to get into the game. First German turns are long with all those pockets to make. Once you reach smolensk and get beyond the pripet marshes things start to get more organised.

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TURNS 8-11 - 12/12/2010 1:42:25 PM   
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August again saw plenty of action.
Around Smolensk a large amount of troops were trapped late july and destroyed. However supply lines became problematic and the mobility of my mobile units went down significantly all over the map. I suppose the panzers also need some rest.

A small pocket was made behind smolensk trappind a few infantry divisions but nothing significant.
Without large scale encirclements soviet losses dropped drastically and soviet numbers started to grow again regularly.

From a low point at 3 700 000 men at the end of July to about 4 000 000 men now. Tank numbers keep falling as I take every opportunity to kick on whatever tank unit I see.

So it looks like untergefreiter Von Snafu won't be home for christmas.

In the North My troop are pushing at the gates of Lenigrad. Huge amount of soviet troops there. I'm progressing slowly. I've sent a few reinforcement divisions there.






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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/12/2010 1:53:06 PM   
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In the centre as large scale envelopments became incresasingly difficult whith much lower movement points. I tried an other approach and used both panzer groups to blow a big hole in the middle of the soviet lines.
The panzers have been driving hard towards moscow for a couple of turns now, keeping the soviet unbalanced.
Many units have been routed but very few encircled so soviet losses remain low.

The AI is withdrawing quite efficiently its troops from the threatenend positions and rebuildind its line, yet the spires of the Kremlin might soon be in view of the panzers. However I'm not sure i'll be able to get more than a glimpse at them.




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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/12/2010 2:08:20 PM   
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In the south the Germans are pushing towards Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk (Can spell this one ;) )
They recieved a few infantry additionnal divisions and all the mobile units that arrived, that is one motorised division and one motorized brigade.

I'm regrouping the Rumanians together.
Those in the 11th army tended to lag behind and were of little use. Whereas grouped togethe they can make a powerful army group and take charge of a significant portion of the front. In 1941 they have some punch as the soviets don't have many good units.

Also there should not be many tanks for some time so they should be quite safe. So now is the best time to use them.

Hungarians and slovaks merely put a little a color on the map.

I use them mainly to finish off bypassed soviet units, though there have not been many of them lately.






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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/12/2010 2:17:08 PM   
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losses are mounting, but the soviet numbers have been increasing over the last three turns





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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/12/2010 2:24:32 PM   
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You have to inflict something between 200 000 and 300 000 casualties a turn to keep the soviet numbers down.
This is no easy to achieve except in the first few turns. However tanks are now getting scarce in the red army.

I suppose output must be disrupted as the factories have gone east. In a few months I can expect to see those factories online again.




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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/12/2010 4:33:57 PM   
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Wow - that's incredibly severe armored losses there. Of course the bulk of those are pretty usely T-26, T-28 or other varieties - though down to 2300 tanks, that's going to hurt.

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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/13/2010 1:35:09 PM   
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Humm :(
looks like something went wrong with my save.
Can't find the last turns I played.
Don't know how I did that.

so to sum up what happened in September and early October:

In the North AGN pushed toward leningrad in a methodical way. Front line hexes stacked with three divisions and two or three deliberarte attacks every turns. Deliberate attacks were all successul and at the end of the firs week of OCtober I had two stacks adjacent to the central hax of Leningrad ready for the final assault.

AGC and AGN panzer goups were were reorganised to two panzer corps each with two panzer and a motorised division per corp. Excess motorised units were sent south. that is two SS mot divisions GD and LehR motorised brigade and a Panzer corp HQ.

In the centre. Infantry armies were deployed in the front on division per hex. Stedy advance was made at the joint with AGN making deliberate attacks the front line was graduallt pushed. Howeve If combats were usually won and many soviet units were routed very were encircled. Infantry brigades started to appear massively in the front line. A few guard units also started to pop up.

Early septamber I tried some encirclement in the centre but results were dissapointind. A lot a movement points xere spent trying to catch soviet unnits but only a few were actually caught, while my armies ended up completely
intermingled and messed up.
so I Took a tur to dress the lines and reorganise things properly. with the Panzer corps stacked in one hew making a powerful striking force.

Meanwhile railheads were reaching the front meaning the armoured units were regaining much mobility. So I unleashed a powerful frontal assault toward moscow.First of all the frontline infantry launched deliberate attacks clearing the soviet frontline.
The the panzer corps adavanced and started a series of hasty attacks cleraing the line. The the infantry then used its remaining movement point to ocuppt the terrain cleared by the tanks.

The next turn, early october this methodical push of panzrs drove forward an other two hexes with the infantry watching, the coming forward to occupy the hexes cheared. By that time rail head was at Viazma and movement point were up again to between 20 and 36 allowing again a powerful addvance. From mid August to mid septempber movement points had been down to between 10 and 20.

In the south the advance continued mainly at an infantry speed. 1st panser group wasted a lot o effort to encircle some soviet units but again this was largely unsuccessgul. a few stacks were trpped but nothing significant. Still the advance continued. Kharkow end Zaparozye(something like it anyway ) fell early october.
and 6th army was reachincg Kursk.

The rumanians were slowly crossing the Lower Dnepr.

Motorisez reinforcements were arriving in the area. with a reinforcement panzer corp directed there plus some units from AGN and AGC on their way. However the front is very extended there and unit density is low.

Soviet losses were still heavy but their numbers kept slowly growing, reacching about 4 150 000 men at the end of september. Yet tank numbers remained very low, some tak brigades apeeared here and there but they were all brushed aside. tank losses would certainly hurt for a winter counter offensive. Soviet losses had just reached the 3 000 000 mark with a huge number of prisoners, more than 2 000 000. My own losses being a little over 300 000, with a good bunch of rumanians. So that's not bad. However with less pocket and a frontal advance, and soviet units recovering from the initial surprise turns are getting bloodier. Last turn not finished was 30 000 Axis losses to about 100 000 soviet, including some prisonners. Assaults against heavy fortifications in the Lenigrad area and µRumanian assaults across the Dnepr explain a good part of these losses. aloso Infantry is now at work.

so German advance had stalled from a wild rush to a steady push. railheads were catching up everywhere. and troops were now organised more to my liking. However with the season getting late It was time to start thinking about reaching a coherent winter line;

Leningrad should probably fall in 1941. In the centre I can bring my lines nearer to mosconw so as to have a good jumping line.

In the south a line

The AI has proved to be a worthy opponent. Nothing brilliant, but nothing disastrous. In the first few turns it was a bit trampled but the settings were set on easy, so that did not help.

Tank losses will hurt. I think it should be tweaked to be more conservative with tanks in the first few turns.

So Now I'm going to see if I can find that save or if I have to replay the whole of september :(

But it looks like Oberst von Fubar was in charge of the save, unless there's been an attack by red gremlins.

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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/13/2010 2:49:29 PM   
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Well lookks like I'll have to replay september. :)
so i'll start againt fron aygust 28.
There must be an autosave function somewhere.

I've been so used to autosave in games that I do not think about saving at the end of each turn :)
well i'll see if I can do things better.

Just recieved my copy today.
there's my my name and the key on the CD :)
so no more more lookint for the key retriever utility each time there's a patch coming :)

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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/13/2010 2:50:39 PM   
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quote:

here must be an autosave function somewhere.


yes, on preferences screen top right hand corner.

edit: not available for PBEM

also "Q" will quicksave the game with file name "quicksave.sav"

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RE: TURNS 8-11 - 12/13/2010 2:57:09 PM   
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So let's say that makes it four or five turns to learn where the auto save is .
Now talk about a learning curve


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TURN12 - 12/13/2010 10:31:59 PM   
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So I'm playing september again.
Basically lack of supply in August slowed down my advance .
Now my railheads are much nearer an my units especially the motorised ones have regained much of their punch. So my units in the North are resuming their advance, this time in a slow and methodical way. Massive frontal attacks. Brute force, if not enough use more :)

This time the defenses of Leningrad are much weaker with many hexes having only one unit, so I have a good possibility of taking the city before the weather turns to bad.




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RE: TURN12 - 12/13/2010 10:42:15 PM   
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In the centre the Panzers started regrouping and a couple of corps that had movement points left advanced two hexes.

Now there are four panzer corps ready.





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RE: TURN12 - 12/13/2010 10:50:32 PM   
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Regular progress in the south.
1st panzer corps is getting some supplies again but the font is wide. I'm not catching many soviet units and they are usually small and depleted.




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RE: TURN12 - 12/13/2010 10:54:47 PM   
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RE: TURN12 - 12/13/2010 11:01:19 PM   
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Soviet tanks are becoming a luxury. I'm making deliberate attacks on soviet tank units whenever I can. This should take many teeth out of the soviet winter couter offensive. I should be able to field plenty of soviet equiped tank units in 1942. where can I see what's captured? I did not find that so far





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Mid October situation - 12/14/2010 9:55:17 PM   
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At the begining of turn 18 it looks like there's been a massive epidemic of dissentry all over the map.
Well mud has turned in.

The last few turns have been quite costly with axis losses starting to rise due to a number of frontal attacks against fast deepening soviet fortifications.

In the north my troops have been making slow progress towards Leningrad. An assault on the central hex was repulsed with the attacking divisions quite cut up.




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RE: Mid October situation - 12/14/2010 10:21:14 PM   
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In the South, after the panzer breakthrough towards Moscow I swithtced the effort to the sides in order to enlarge the salient and straigthen the line.

I'm also pushing North in order to eliminate the salient around lake Ilmen and possibly keep pushing toward the finish lines. However the arrival of bad weather probably puts an end to this. I may still occuppy a few hexes and possibly clean up the line here and there. I started to duild fortified areas in the zones where I was not advancing just in case. Can't hurt. I have to start thinking about how to organoise my defenses for the coming winter.

I may still have a few turns available for some additional attacks until december so I'd batter make the better use of them.

Meanwhile I'm going to start digging. Where are those dwarves when you need them? All drunk down in the moria :(
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RE: Mid October situation - 12/14/2010 10:43:27 PM   
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In the south, my forces are at the gates of Stalino. A couple of turns away from Rostov.
Whether trying to take Rostov and trying to keep it is a good idea or not is an interesting debate.
Panzer Gruppe 1 is quite oversized with as many mobile forces as in the other 3 Panzer groups.
So they take a lot of room in the frontline, and keeping them there is not going to be a good idea.

So I need to get more infantry to the front line. It may also be a good idea to build some reserves.
I don't know if dismounting the motorised infantry into foot infantry is a good idea. This would make me more front line infantry.

I could also turn some units into static mode.

Also wondering about withdrawals. What happens if a unit in static mode is withdrawn? Do you save the trucks against the same withdrawal in mobile mode?

What happens when a unit is withdrawn for a refit wheras it's still full? Do you lose the benfit of the refit against the same withdrawal of a depleted unit? There's a minimum strength requirement for withdrawals, but what happens to what's above the minimum requirement? Is it lost? is the excess recieved in pools?
Same thing for the trucks?





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RE: Mid October situation - 12/14/2010 10:50:18 PM   
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The rumanians a re holding the gates to the Crimea. However it looks like German Firepower will be needed to open them.Withe need of infantry in the frontlines it's most like quite a few of these guys will end up in the trenches before the en of the winter.

11th army is cleaning up some of the mess trapped along the sea but it looks like the Ai is conducting evacuation operations.




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RE: Mid October situation - 12/14/2010 11:02:51 PM   
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RE: Mid October situation - 12/14/2010 11:20:57 PM   
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Soviet numbers reached a low mark a 3 700 000 men in August and 2000 tanks in October.
they are now increasing regularly turn after turn. Large pockets are necessary to capture large numbers of soviet troops. However as you advance into the country you outrun your lines of supply and the front widens, soviet trop density also decreases with most front line units being understrenghth brigades. So the catches are meager.

Time to start bracing for what's up next. So far results look pretty much historical. AI is doing a decent job.

One thing that couls de improved is that it has a tendency to abandon large cities then are threatened with encirclement or when there are encircled and the troops try to leave. It might slow down the axis to leave troops there even though they're sacrificed as the assaults will take some time. But then sometimes the Ai stays sometines it leaves.




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RE: Mid October situation - 12/15/2010 11:41:31 AM   
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One thing that couls de improved is that it has a tendency to abandon large cities then are threatened with encirclement


Yes, that has niggled at me throughout testing, GAIA is good at "Looking over her shoulder" to see if her flanks are threatened so she pulls back, but she definitely needs a routine to leave a rearguard in cities.
Joel has noted this, so we may see some improvement down the line.

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Situation December - 12/15/2010 8:25:04 PM   
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After four turns of mud came cold weather.
During the mud there was little fighting.
Afew attacks to improve the line.

The first turn of cold weather I lauched some attacks, but then with fast growing soviet number i decided it was a better idea to dig, dig dig.

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RE: Situation December - 12/15/2010 8:55:44 PM   
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All hexes are occupied by a german division and a fortified zone.
In the South I stil have many armoured or motorised divisions on the front As I don'have enough infantry.
There's some reorganisiation going on all around the front with units moving to dedensive positions.

In the North each corps leaves 3 divisions in the front with the fourth in reserve in a fortified zone with the corp HQ.

I'll try to extend this progressively but I don' have enough German infantry divisions to cover the whole front and there are some withdrawals and few reinforcements.

In the south I have plenty of German allies coming to the front and many motorised units , so I can have two combat units and a fortified zone per hex with a second line of motorised units units.

In the centre I have a screen of 1 division and a fortified zone per hex. I'm extentigg AGN front to allow me to put a few divisions in reserve in the centre.

Panzer corps are grouped with all three divisions in one stack and in reserve dehind the line. That makes 5 corps in reserve for the whole of AGN and AGC. I should be able to scrape together a dozen infantry divisions to put in reserve. Axis allies cannot go there. thay would be useful to bolseter the line.

Some partisans are starting to pop up. So far I only have security troops as garrisons. But those fast rumanian cavalry brigades might prove particularly useful in that role.
I wonder if fortified zones in a hex protect the rail from partisan attacks. This could be useful to protect a few key points on the network, though costly in admin points. Most of those points will end up in fortified zones any way. Each one is about 1800 men strong. Those this is not insignificant in terms of manpower. This is about a reinforced batallion with some mortars and machine guns. And my understanding is it also helps with the digging.

So far I've left them assigned to OKH; I don't which level is best. Army, Army group, corp, OKH, just a waste of ressources?

They will be good to prepare fall back positions if needed. So far I only fortified the fronline. plus a fex hexes to protect hQs in case there's a breakthrough. With oa fortified sone they shoud not just fly away.

Truks sunk in the mud at a rate of around 5000 truks a week. as my forces did not move much or fight the situation stabilised with cold weather. I now have about just enough truks for my needs, with no unit in static mode so far.

soviet numbers are now 5.5 million men with 4000 tanks growing rapidly as there is vritually no fighting.

losses have 3.5 million men for the soviets against 600 000 for the axis. I'm losing about 20000 men every turn due to attrition fron what I underwstand.

Do the soviets also suffer attrition? How do you see that?

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