spelk
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ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1 I have 1,3 and 4, and I must state, that the list in general fails utterly. Why, well you are targeting the 'non wargamer' right? What would make a non wargamer, into a wargamer, from that list? I think BBC BA is very entry friendly, but the others, they are totally serious wargames for the most part, and Gary's WitE is so over the top ultimate wargame, it is likely of zero capacity in making a 'non wargamer' into a interested wargamer. I love the game, I'm just willing to admit it IS what it is. Massively complex. The introduction text I posted with the link mentions non-wargamer its true, but my intention with the list on my blog is not to highlight gateway games for the mainstream really, but to open the door and peek in at the features of these *real* wargames, and show at how accessible they can be. Obviously WitE isn't going to be the gateway game to wargaming, but I mentioned it, because as a wargamer lightweight myself, I found it provided some layered features that allows even the utter novice to enjoy it on the shallower chit shuffling manoeuvre level. I totally agree that WitE is a monster wargame, and it has so much grognard depth and detail that its not a gateway game. quote:
ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1 Command Ops Battles from the Bulge, is additionally a very serious wargamer's wargame. It has to popular aspect of real time, but the graphics are all about not needing graphically pleasing. As a wargamer lightweight, BftB was one of the first true wargames that I managed to appreciate and understand, and I think its because of the macro-management feature and the real-time progression of the combat that really makes it accessible. Obviously its graphics are there to serve a wargame simulation, but out of all of them its the most approachable, I think, for a novice to wargamer to have a go and enjoy it. The real gateway games are Battlefield Academy and Field of Glory to some extent, but the elegance of the AI and the RTS feel of BftB won me over. And I've used that as a springboard into the other games, more than I have with BA. quote:
ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1 To score a non wargamer, you need something to draw them in, without overwhelming them. All you will enterain with the games on the list offered, is a person that is already a wargamer. I think the gamer would have to have an interest in War and conflict in games to enjoy any of the games listed to be honest. I think, the impenetrable walls many strategy gamers come up against in wargames, have doors in them, and it just takes some familiarisation and understanding of the process of playing wargames to take that first step and put your foot in that door. Thats what I was attempting to do with the list. To show the games I feel have a door open to strategy gamers who might be potential wargamers. I'm not trying to convert any Call of Duty fans to turn based chit shuffling. quote:
ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1 That, and if you want to grab the attention of non wargamers, you have to go where they live. Maybe if we put more games like BBC BA onto consoles, we might get their attention. This is true, and Slitherine are trying their best to mainstream some of their wargames, especially with console and handheld releases. I think I used the term non-wargamer incorrectly in the intro text to be honest, I should have said strategy gamer interested in war :)
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