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ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/1/2011 1:14:32 AM   
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Hi guys,

I want to ask if anyone of you encounter this problem, or is it fixed?

everytime I get in to ship design screen and create a new one or edit an old design, it is imposible to set a "invasion tactic".

so I cant elminate the red colour warning, "must set an invasion tactics".

and I cant create or upgrade any design.

any idea, what the problem is?
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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/6/2011 12:16:32 AM   
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I haven't seen this before. Not sure how the invasion tactics dropdown list would ever be disabled.

Can you post a screenshot showing the problem?

Thanks
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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/6/2011 12:26:10 AM   
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I'm in holiday, and out of home, with my tiny litle netbook that cant work the game.

Next week when I arive the home, I'will take the SC.

But, there is no screet trick.

I just select an invasion tactic... But in the warning screen, the red color invasion tactic warning still stands. So I cant save my designs.

Some of my friends say, it's because of my Windows Vista is in Turkish Language.

I can also send my system details and if you need, I can run a diagnostic software that you created, to collect necessary data samples, in the help of effort to solve this problem.

Thanks.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/6/2011 1:41:12 AM   
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Thanks for the extra info. If you change your language in Windows regional settings, does this problem go away?

Upload your screenshot when you have it.

Thanks
Elliot

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/6/2011 1:54:19 AM   
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Thanks for quick respond.

I changed the regional settings, two or three times. But it did not help. Maybe it is about "instalattion language" problem. Because I installed the windows in Turkish, then open the english settings. Or may be it is not about language setting : )

Anyway, I'll upload the Screenshot.

I hope you can find a solutiuon. I was one the first customers of the game in March 2010, and cant play the game because of designing the ships is most important part of the 4X space strategies for me.

so, waiting a fix for months : )

Kinds,

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/11/2011 4:17:54 AM   
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http://img703.imageshack.us/i/invasiontacticeror.jpg

Hi,
this is the screenshot of the problem.

Desnt matter which invasion tactic I select. The red warning never dissappears. So I cant save any design.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/15/2011 1:35:11 AM   
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The screenshot is pretty hard to see clearly (not full size?), but I get the general idea.

I cannot reproduce this problem by changing my regional settings either. Maybe you could try reinstalling with Regional Settings set to English?

Really not sure why this is happening, but for the next update I'll make the invasion setting default to "Invade when Clear" so that you should be able to design ships.

Sorry if we've missed this issue if you've reported it before! You're very patient

Elliot

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/15/2011 9:26:26 AM   
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Hi Elliot,

Thanks for reply.

I thought screenshot is big enough. the link is smaller version but if you click on the picture, it becomes full screen.

Anyway, I see that you understand my problem.

For months, I've tried every posibilities... Except, reinsatalling the windows...

Installing the new windows option is a little pricey here. I'm in Turkiye and we buys the Windows in Turkish.

I think I need US or UK version of Windows, that means I need to buy new Windows which is 150-200 dollar in Turkiye.

Also, my computer is my bussines station and installing a new Windows is a real nightmare for me. I can lose many important data even they are backuped. :(

But if you can update the game with standart invasion tactic option, I can play the games at last.

Also I want to say that, Distant World is a 4X strategy game that I'm waiting for decades... Thats why I'm here, in a game forum. I've never been write any games forum before, in my 30 gaming years.

I'll also buy new expansion after that update. And I'm eager to see the game in Turkiye market within DVD box to buy it for my game box collection.

Congrats again.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/15/2011 9:32:19 AM   
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quote:

Also, my computer is my bussines station


we're expanding, gents, companies could be affected by this game....world economy stalled whenever a new patch arrives; therefore stalled almost all the time

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/15/2011 9:56:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Data

quote:

Also, my computer is my bussines station


we're expanding, gents, companies could be affected by this game....world economy stalled whenever a new patch arrives; therefore stalled almost all the time



I'm just an author : ) not a company. Writing novells, fictions... The only affected thing is literature for now : )

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/15/2011 11:06:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: elliotg

The screenshot is pretty hard to see clearly (not full size?), but I get the general idea.

I cannot reproduce this problem by changing my regional settings either. Maybe you could try reinstalling with Regional Settings set to English?

Really not sure why this is happening, but for the next update I'll make the invasion setting default to "Invade when Clear" so that you should be able to design ships.

Sorry if we've missed this issue if you've reported it before! You're very patient

Elliot


imageshack scales down images. You need to click on it, then right click>view image to get the full size.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9786/invasiontacticeror.jpg

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/18/2011 5:15:15 AM   
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dudes,

in the community center, there is no section for distant worlds (first game) patches, but the expansion...

Are the expansion patches fit to original game too?

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/18/2011 7:31:00 AM   
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no, they are for the expansion only

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/19/2011 6:38:04 AM   
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ok,
for the information, I just bought shakuturi axpansion too.

There is same problem on that.


By the way, expansion's user interface looks like much more frendlier and game looks great.

congrats.


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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/19/2011 10:04:11 AM   
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we're all continously praising it

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 1/31/2011 3:19:07 PM   
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OK.

I did not want you force to solve the problem, but after one year, you left me no choice.

I mentioned about Distant Worlds in my monthly Column. It is in the Turkish monthly Gaming Magazine, LEVEL, which solds 20.000 every month. (http://www.level.com.tr)

Anyway, at the last patch, I did not see the bugfix of this problem but, if you counter many Turkish customers this month, I hope, they force you to put that ship design problem an end :)


Please guys, kill me or just take that "must set an invasion tactic" warning out of the game, so we can play tha game.

Thanks.




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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/18/2011 11:46:41 PM   
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I have the same problem. Weird, I am from Turkey as well. Well, I do not live in Turkey but my computer was bought in Turkey if that is relevant. :-/ Anyway, I use an English Vista, and set my all language settings to EN_US, so that has got nothing to do with it.

What you see in the below picture is that I opened the game, started a random game, and without doing anything went to the Design section, clicked on a Destroyer and clicked 'Copy as New'. So I have this screen.

I noticed that
1. If I click on an Escort, it does not happen right away. Instead it happens when a warning appears.
2. Every time a warning appears, the Set an Invasion Tactic alert is renewed and the Invasion Tactic box turns blank.

I tried re-installing DOT net, but didn't change anything.





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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/19/2011 4:50:54 AM   
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We're not alone.

There are many people around the world, experiencing the same problem but cant find the time to write about it on the forum.

we're just like that unwanted little babies, left by the parents who don't want to responsibilty of a fruit from unsafe-unholly-unmarried sex tree.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/19/2011 5:16:16 AM   
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Also, may be you should know,

I installed the game on the 3 PCs.

2 of them are Laptop, one of them is desktop.

2 of them are vista, other one is XP with all uptades.

All of them bought in the Turkiye.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/19/2011 6:23:10 PM   
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mate, I do not think it has got anything to do with the computers being bought from Turkey etc. as I said, my Vista is EN_US, so are my language settings. I don't even live in Turkey.

it doesn't make sense. there should be something else.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/23/2011 10:45:12 PM   
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kanka, that makes problem, more "country" oriented. It is not about language settings, but our computers bought in Turkiye.

Please try to intall game on another computer, not bought in turkiye, perhaps a friend's one. And lets see, if it will be work, or not.


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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/24/2011 6:58:23 AM   
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I wonder why would that make a difference. I don't think it should but I've seen even weirder stuff so...

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/24/2011 11:21:41 AM   
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that is unbeliavble, but we cant play the game.

I have to stick to automatic designs, so I cant design armed, self defended stations or many other ships that I need for my strategies.

Without the design abilty, all I can do is find powerfull old ships and claim them so I can defend my self while trading, and trading, and trading.


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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/27/2011 9:17:10 PM   
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weird indeed. i really don't think it is a language thing, but if so, maybe it is because in Turkish the uppercase for i is İ, and the lowercase of I is ı. different letters: 'I'nvasion tactics, remember.

but hey, how would it make a difference if the language setting is TR? And I've never seen it make a problem in any other games. so...

eventually, you are making too much noise. it IS very annoying but the game is still playable without custom ship designs.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/27/2011 9:36:23 PM   
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I'd not go so far as to say he's making to much noise, it's a legitimate problem for him and I know how I'd feel if I couldn't design my own ships because of this. That being said I think as well that this is not the actual root cause for this problem; but if all else fails changing the locales on the computer to english as Elliot suggested will fix this. I see this was attempted before but it's not clear yet how exactly was it done, Windows has some quirks here.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 2/27/2011 9:56:24 PM   
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Well, I just remembered that some moons in Virgussu system were called İrgu, İphala etc. stuff like that. With the long "İ". Is it the same with your computers too?

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 3/1/2011 6:51:45 PM   
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You can see the names of the planets with the capital Turkish "İ" below. Does this happen to everyone else?




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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 3/2/2011 6:24:38 AM   
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Ah.  That's the classic "Turkish I" problem.  The developers are almost certainly determining which invasion tactic is selected by comparing the string value in the dropdown to a list of specific strings.  And the list of strings they are comparing against has a different case than the case that is used to display the string.  Perhaps they have a switch(dropdown.value.ToLower()).  And the default: for the case statement is to show the warning.  So they are reading the string from the dropdown "Do Not Invade" and the code is comparing it against the the constant string "do not invade".

It is a character problem.  In English we have capital-I-without-dot and lowercase-i-with-dot.  In the Turkish language there are both uppercase and lowercase versions of i-with-dot and i-without-dot.  When you call string.ToLower() in .NET, the default is to perform a culture-sensitive operation.  In a computer whose currentlocale is set to English, the I in "Invasion" changes from capital-i-without-dot to lowercase-i-with-dot, and the string comparison matches.  On a computer that uses the Turkish language, the capital I in "Invasion" goes from capital-i-without-dot to lowercase-i-without-dot, and the string comparison does not match.

The fix is to do one of three things: change your string comparisons from equality to StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase(), pass in CultureInfo.InvariantCulture as an optional parameter to string operations, or use String.ToLowerInvariant() instead of String.ToLower().  There's also an FxCop globalization rule that catches this error.

A similar bug is visible in dory's final screenshot of the planet names.  I suspect that the planet names are stored lowercase, and there is a method that formats the strings for display purposes, and that method calls ToUpper() on the first character of the planet name.  So the lowercase-i-with-dot becomes uppercase-i-with-dot in Turkish, which leads to the screenshot above.

Another fix the developers will probably want to make is to set the DataSet.Locale property on all DataSets used in the codebase.  Yall will probably want to set it to CultureInfo.InvariantCulture, which might avoid some other funny globalization issues, like the way that some languages sort characters in a different order.  I don't remember offhand if that will cause problems in places where string operations should be culture-sensitive, like formatting dates or decimal numbers, though I also can't think of anywhere in DW that displays decimal numbers.

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 3/2/2011 7:20:39 AM   
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way to go, bonesbro, that is some tour de force

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RE: ship design bug- Can't set invasion tactics. - 3/2/2011 11:24:30 AM   
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WOW! So it IS a country problem. so author, you were right, mate!

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