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RE: Civil War 150th - 4/27/2015 4:49:32 AM   
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Who was it that told the story of the Captain convincing the mechanic to patch the leaking boiler on the Sultana?


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RE: Civil War 150th - 4/28/2015 7:31:31 PM   
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Who was it that told the story of the Captain convincing the mechanic to patch the leaking boiler on the Sultana?


A fair question. The detail of the leaky boiler appears in several of the accounts I've read, but never with a source. At a rough guess, it was the mechanic himself, who appears to have been employed by the dockyard rather than being a member of the Sultana's crew.

For that matter, we can't be sure that it was the patch that gave way. Three boilers burst, and I don't think anyone survived who was close enough to tell which one was first. Also, the inquiry suggested that part of the problem was that the boilers were low on water. (Less water with the same amount of heat means higher temperature and pressure.) Some water was apparently tapped off for soup and other cooking uses, for the Sultana's galley alone probably could not provide for the number of men aboard.

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RE: Civil War 150th - 4/29/2015 4:15:06 AM   
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150 Years Ago Today:

Jefferson Davis and his Cabinet were on the move, but not as rapidly as they would have liked. They were a large party, having a group of cadets as a bodyguard, and they were still taking a goodly sum in coin and bullion with them (though not nearly as large a sum as the Union believed). The question was whether to head west, or go to Florida and try to take a blockade runner to Texas or Cuba. On this date they were keeping their options open, having reached Yorksville, South Carolina.


Near Mobile, Alabama, Confederate General Richard Taylor (below) agreed to meet with Union General Edward Canby to begin surrender negotiations. Though Taylor was a lieutenant general instead of a full general, he commanded the Department of Alabama, Mississippi and East Louisiana. For this substantial area, he had direct control of only about 10,000 men, though the 4,000-man former garrison of Mobile as well as Nathan Bedford Forrest's command was also supposed to be part of the department. It comprised the last significant Confederate force east of the Mississippi.




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RE: Civil War 150th - 4/30/2015 4:14:41 AM   
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150 Years Ago Today:

The negotiations between Richard Taylor and Edward Canby were off to a promising start. Canby had received word of the initial terms between Joseph Johnston and W. T. Sherman, and was not aware that they had been disavowed. So, following the example, the two commanders agreed to a truce, revokeable with 48 hours notice. Taylor hinted that he would surrender his command unless he received contrary orders from a higher ranking Confederate officer or official. (This was not likely to happen, since the Confederate government was on the run, and most of the higher southern generals such as Lee, Johnston, and P.G.T. Beauregard had already surrendered.) Then it was time for a luncheon. Food was not as short in Alabama as it was on the East coast Confederate states, so the meal was a feast, accompanied by champagne. Taylor later wrote that the popping of the corks were the first explosive sounds he had enjoyed hearing for four years.

The one man in a position to order Taylor to keep fighting was Edmund Kirby Smith, commanding the Confederacy west of the Mississippi River. At one point, President Davis had sent a message to Kirby Smith not to surrender under any circumstances, but Smith had been running his department (AKA "Kirby-Smithdom") independently for nearly two years. In any case, Taylor did not bother to inquire for orders from Kirby Smith. For one thing, Taylor had never forgiven what he considered the loss of a great chance to crush the Union forces during the Red River campaign. Even more, there was no working Southern telegraph across the Mississippi.

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The Captains and the Kings depart . . . - 5/2/2015 2:05:31 AM   
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150 Years Ago Today:

On this date, Jefferson Davis and his entourage had reached Abbeville, South Carolina. There they held what would be the last Confederate council of war, with five brigade commanders who had at their command a grand total of 3,000 men. Davis wanted to keep on fighting, but the officers told him the cause was now hopeless, and to go on would only bring more death and devastation. They would only fight to get him to safety, for they knew that to have Davis tried and hanged for treason would cause even more bitterness between North and South. (Lincoln had thought the same, but now that he had been assassinated, President Johnson and his Cabinet believed that Davis had been involved and very much wanted to hang him.) Davis seemed to wilt, and said, "All is lost indeed." Now the group's movements would not be falling back to re-group, but purely for escape.


In North Carolina, the writing out of paroles had taken somewhat longer than it had at Appomattox. This was to be expected, since the surrender had covered three times as many soldiers, many a considerable distance away. At last, however, the process was complete, and it was time for the armies to move out:


On that day the three corps and three little bodies of cavalry were ordered to march to their destinations, each under its own commander. And my military connection with those matchless soldiers was terminated by the following order:

General orders no. 22.
Comrades: In terminating our official relations, I earnestly exhort you to observe faithfully the terms of pacification agreed upon; and to discharge the obligations of good and peaceful citizens, as well as you have performed the duties of thorough soldiers in the field. By such a course, you will best secure the comfort of your families and kindred, and restore tranquillity to our country. You will return to your homes with the admiration of our people, won by the courage and noble devotion you have displayed in this long war. I shall always remember with pride the loyal support and generous confidence you have given me. I now part with you with deep regret-and bid you farewell with feelings of cordial friendship; and with earnest wishes that you may have hereafter all the prosperity and happiness to be found in the world.

(Signed) J. E. Johnston, General.

Official: (Signed) Kinlock Falconer, A. A. G.


The great majority of Sherman's men were also ordered to depart. Although his army had mostly come from states more to the west, they marched north towards Washington D.C., where they would eventually participate in a "Grand Review", a gigantic parade through the city. On the way, they would pass through Richmond, but in peace, not as they had expected when they had moved out of Atlanta half a year before.

It was also a day for reflecting on what had been lost:

The day that we surrendered our regiment it was a pitiful sight to behold. If I remember correctly, there were just sixty-five men in all, including officers, that were paroled on that day. Now, what became of the original 3,200? A grand army, you may say. Three thousand two hundred men! Only sixty-five left!
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It was indeed a sad sight to look at, the Old First Tennessee Regiment. A mere squad of noble and brave men, gathered around the tattered flag that they had followed in every battle through that long war. It was so bullet-riddled and torn that it was but a few blue and red shreds that hung drooping while it, too, was stacked with our guns forever.

--Sam R. Watkins, "Co. Aytch" Maury Grays, First Tennessee Regiment



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RE: Civil War 150th - 5/4/2015 11:36:28 AM   
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150 Years Ago Today:

In Connecticut, the state legislature approved the 13th amendment, bringing the number of approving states to 22. Five more were needed.


In Springfield, Illinois, the body of Abraham Lincoln was laid to rest after traveling by train through many of the major cities of the North. Bishop Matthew Simpson gave the funeral oration, which Lincoln probably would not have approved of. Simpson called for every Confederate who had been an officer in the U. S. Army or who had held office in the Federal government to "be doomed to a felon's death". He acknowledged Linocln's call for "malice towards none", and so the hangings were to be done without malice, with a sense of justice only.


In Alabama, Union Commander Edward Canby had received the news that Sherman's political concessions had been rejected in Washington, and military surrenders only were to be negotiated. Canby and Confederate commander Richard Taylor met again in Citronelle, under the shade of a large oak tree. As expected, Taylor had received no orders in the meantime, so he agreed to surrender his troops. The terms were again similar to those that Grant had given to Lee: the men would be paroled and allowed to simply return to their homes, not to be prosecuted unless they broke the local laws. (Which meant that, contrary to Bishop Simpson's speech, they were not to be executed.) Canby agreed to an additional act of generosity: the Confederates would be allowed to keep control of the railroads and river steamers so as to transport their soldiers home as quickly as possible.

The original oak went down in a hurricane about four decades later, but a "Surrender Oak Festival" is still held every year on the site.





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RE: Civil War 150th - 5/5/2015 2:45:22 AM   
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150 Years Ago Today:

Rather than surrender, the government of the Confederate States of America chose to cease to exist. On this date President Davis met with his Cabinet and other politicians for the last time at the Heard house in Washington, Georgia. There the 14 men declared the government dissolved. It was now up to the few remaining individual Southern commanders to surrender on what terms they could.

One possible reason for this action was that it allowed them to divvy up the remains of the Confederate Treasury. About half of it, especially the bonds which unlike gold and silver coin were not readily convertible, was sent to banks in the area for safekeeping. The rest was shared among the Cabinet members present, to help them in their escape. Jefferson Davis himself seems to have collected only about $10,000. It is interesting to note that the Union War Department had estimated the treasury to be worth from 6 to 13 million dollars, and Davis now had a price on his head of $100,000.





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RE: Civil War 150th - 5/7/2015 7:36:22 PM   
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150 Years Ago Today:

After dissolving the Confederate government, Jefferson Davis and his cabinet went their separate ways. Davis had met up with his wife Varina, and accompanied by a picked escort, they headed south through Georgia. They were traveling faster now, since it was a smaller party, and there was a greater sense of urgency.

For the Northerners had begun to pick up the trail. James Wilson's massive cavalry force had stopped at Macon, Georgia, when the news of the surrenders of Lee and Johnston reached him. Now he had received orders to hunt for Davis and the massive treasure he was supposedly taking with him. On this date, along with numerous other units, the 4th Michigan Cavalry commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Benjamin D. Pritchard moved out of its encampment to join the chase. The whites in the area generally claimed ignorance about any fleeing Confederate officials, but the blacks, unsurprisingly, were much more willing to tell about any groups of wagons and horsemen they had seen.

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RE: Civil War 150th - 5/9/2015 3:32:33 AM   
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Of all the remaining Southern units in the field, the Union feared most that Nathan Bedford Forrest's troopers would become guerrillas. Forrest had proved himself almost impossible to catch, and able to inflict tremendous damage. To the immense relief of many a Northern general, on this date Forrest felt himself bound by the surrender of the Confederate military in Mississippi and Alabama, and disbanded his command. (The actual writing of the address appears to have been the work of Forrest's inspector general and adjutant, Major Charles W. Anderson, below.)



SOLDIERS:

By an agreement made between Liet.-Gen. Taylor, commanding the Department of Alabama, Mississippi, and East Louisiana, and Major-Gen. Canby, commanding United States forces, the troops of this department have been surrendered.

I do not think it proper or necessary at this time to refer to causes which have reduced us to this extremity; nor is it now a matter of material consequence to us how such results were brought about. That we are BEATEN is a self-evident fact, and any further resistance on our part would justly be regarded as the very height of folly and rashness.

The armies of Generals LEE and JOHNSON having surrendered. You are the last of all the troops of the Confederate States Army east of the Mississippi River to lay down your arms.

The Cause for which you have so long and so manfully struggled, and for which you have braved dangers, endured privations, and sufferings, and made so many sacrifices, is today hopeless. The government which we sought to establish and perpetuate, is at an end. Reason dictates and humanity demands that no more blood be shed. Fully realizing and feeling that such is the case, it is your duty and mine to lay down our arms -- submit to the “powers that be” -- and to aid in restoring peace and establishing law and order throughout the land.

The terms upon which you were surrendered are favorable, and should be satisfactory and acceptable to all. They manifest a spirit of magnanimity and liberality, on the part of the Federal authorities, which should be met, on our part, by a faithful compliance with all the stipulations and conditions therein expressed. As your Commander, I sincerely hope that every officer and soldier of my command will cheerfully obey the orders given, and carry out in good faith all the terms of the cartel.

Those who neglect the terms and refuse to be paroled, may assuredly expect, when arrested, to be sent North and imprisoned. Let those who are absent from their commands, from whatever cause, report at once to this place, or to Jackson, Miss.; or, if too remote from either, to the nearest United States post or garrison, for parole.

Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.

The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone. In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.

— N.B. Forrest, Lieut.-General
Headquarters, Forrest's Cavalry Corps
Gainesville, Alabama
May 9, 1865


Forrest would not exactly follow his own advice about obeying the laws; he would be instrumental in founding the Ku Klux Klan. In his favor, he would be shocked at how violent the Klan would become, and dissolve the part of it that he had control over in 1869.


Jefferson Davis and his group paused at a hotel in Irwinville, Georgia, on the evening of this date. They were circumspect enough not to give out any of their real names, and none of the locals seems to have recognized them. Not wanting to stay in an obvious place, the party moved on to a creek bed a short distance out of town, and encamped for the night.




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My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/10/2015 3:08:53 AM   
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150 Years Ago Today:

Coincidentally, two events happened that were markers of the end of the Civil War. In Washington, President Johnson issued a proclamation meant to deal with the Southern commerce raiders still active on the seas (such as the CSS Shenandoah). In it, he declared that the war was "virtually at an end":

By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation


Whereas the President of the United States, by his proclamation of the 19th day of April, 1861, did declare certain States therein mentioned in insurrection against the Government of the United States; and

Whereas armed resistance to the authority of this Government in the said insurrectionary States may be regarded as virtually at an end, and the persons by whom that resistance, as well as the operations of insurgent cruisers, was directed are fugitives or captives; and

Whereas it is understood that some of those cruisers are still infesting the high seas and others are preparing to capture, burn, and destroy vessels of the United States:

Now, therefore, be it known that I, Andrew Johnson, President of the United States, hereby enjoin all naval, military, and civil officers of the United States diligently to endeavor, by all lawful means, to arrest the said cruisers and to bring them into a port of the United States, in order that they may be prevented from committing further depredations on commerce and that the persons on board of them may no longer enjoy impunity for their crimes.

And I do further proclaim and declare that if, after a reasonable time shall have elapsed for this proclamation to become known in the ports of nations claiming to have been neutrals, the said insurgent cruisers and the persons on board of them shall continue to receive hospitality in the said ports, this Government will deem itself justified in refusing hospitality to the public vessels of such nations in ports of the United States and in adopting such other measures as may be deemed advisable toward vindicating the national sovereignty.

In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the city of Washington, this 10th day of May, A. D. 1865, and of the Independence of the United States of America the eighty-ninth.

ANDREW JOHNSON.




An hour after midnight, the 4th Michigan Cavalry arrived at Irwinville, Georgia. There they learned of a camp about one and a half miles to the north. It was not long before they quietly scouted the place and satisfied themselves that Jefferson Davis and his party were there. To avoid confusion, the Northerners waited until dawn began to break, and then charged the camp. The surprised Southerners gave up without a fight.

But sadly, there would be fighting from a different source. Another unit of Union cavalry, the 1st Wisconsin, came on the scene, and shots were fired before the two groups realized they were on the same side. In a grim echo of the two accidental deaths at Fort Sumter at the very beginning of the war, two men were killed in the skirmish between the Yankee troopers.


"JEFFERSON DAVIS CAPTURE SITE" by JERRYE & ROY KLOTZ MD - Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons

Davis would be imprisoned at Fort Monroe, Virginia, and would be harshly treated at first, including being sleep-deprived and put in leg irons. But in a few months, the Federal authorities realized he was the most famous prisoner in the world, drawing attention even from Pope Pius IX. His treatment improved, eventually to the point of being given an apartment in the officers' quarters with his wife and their infant daughter.

As might be expected, there were many Northerners who wanted to try Davis for treason and for Lincoln's murder, and see him hanged. But there was also a movement to avoid any trials of members of the Confederate Government, because that would involve the unsettled question of whether or not secession had been legal. Additionally, no reliable evidence was ever found linking Davis to the assassination plot. After two years, Davis would be granted bail, the money put up by a variety of people including Horace Greely, Cornelius Vanderbuilt, and, oddly enough, a member of the "Secret Six" who had bankrolled John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry. Eventually, on Christmas Day 1868, President Johnson would issue a presidential amnesty to Davis and numerous others.

Lincoln's idea of "with malice towards none" was not completely upheld, but no members of the Confederate government were put on trial. Though there had been courts-martial and executions during the war, only one member of the Confederate military was hanged after the war: Henry Wirz, the commandant of Andersonville. There is some controversy over whether this was a miscarriage of justice, with some claiming that Wirz did as well as could be expected given the South's limited resources. While it is true that some of the evidence against him turns out to be fabricated, this writer believes the sentence was just. Wirz's "deadline" orders and his shameful neglect of sanitation increased the death toll at Andersonville greatly beyond what it had to be.

The 27th state to approve the 13th amendment, thus giving it the number to become part of the U. S. Constitution, was Georgia, on December 6. There was some debate over whether the "reconstructed" government of the state was legitimate, but the question became moot when California and Oregon also ratified by the end of the year.

Andrew Johnson was, to put it mildly, not the best man to implement the Reconstruction, the rejoining of the Southern states into the Union He had turned against slavery, but had apparently lost little of the racism of his younger years in Tennessee. He undid many of the measures to advance the rights and well-being of the freed former slaves, vetoing the "forty acres and a mule" legislation, and restoring lands to the pre-war white owners that had been allotted to the blacks. This outraged the Republicans who controlled Congress, but won him little respect from the Southerners, who considered him a renegade.

Johnson 's generosity towards the former Confederates may well have been a mistake, the cost of which sadly fell on the freed slaves. To be fair, however, there was a great question as to whether the United States could ever be whole again, or whether the lingering bitterness would eventually lead to its break-up, by peaceful or violent means. It would not be the first time in history that a nation had split apart even after considerable time had passed. The popularity of the song "I'm a Good Ol' Rebel" was not a positive sign, for when read closely, it has some disturbing lyrics:

O I’m a good old Rebel,
Now that’s just what I am,
For this “Fair Land of Freedom”
I do not give a dam;
I’m glad I fit against it,
I only wish we’d won,
And I don’t want no pardon
For anything I done.
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Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is still in Southern dust;
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us;
They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot,
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.


And indeed there were many in the South who could not forgive the death and devastation caused by the war. But there were many others on both sides who had learned to respect their former opponents, for Northerners and Southerners alike had shown extraordinary courage, dedication, and willingness to sustain casualties that would render ineffective most modern armies. For the rest of his life, Lee would not allow an unkind word to be said about Grant in his presence, in remembrance of the magnanimous terms of Appomattox. Joseph Johnston felt the same way about William T. Sherman.

The argument over reconciliation arose between one Sergeant Gilbert H. Bates and a friend, who said that the Southerners "hate the Union flag. No man dare show that flag anywhere in the South except in the presence of our soldiers."

But Bates responded, "You are mistaken. I can carry that flag myself from the Mississippi all over the rebel States, alone and unarmed, too."


"Sergeant Gilbert Bates & flag" by Unknown - McLean County Museum of History. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons

In early 1868, Bates landed at Vicksburg (which would not celebrate July 4th until 1945), hoisted a Union flag onto his shoulder, and began walking east. After three months and 1,400 miles (2,300 km), he arrived in Washington, D.C., having traversed Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. As he had predicted, he had not been assaulted once, and in fact had received hospitality in many places.

The nation would heal.


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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/11/2015 4:44:58 PM   
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Thank you for this account of the Civil War. I have enjoyed reading it for years now. I almost feel sad now when it has ended.

Thank you.






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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/11/2015 5:05:24 PM   
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Capt. Harlock, Thank You so very much for this incredible and brilliant series. Now that the War appears to have come to an end I can see that there is little point in visiting the General Discussion forum anytime soon: where mind-numbing banality usually dominates the discourse. Best of luck with your future projects.

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/11/2015 9:09:45 PM   
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Capt. Harlock, thank you for bringing the US civil war a little closer to me. It was a very interesting read which I enjoyed everyday. It was very educational. Whilst reading I was astonished to see how terrible the northern Generals were. Hindsight is always easier to determine just how bad they were. But compared to their southern counterparts, they were a disgrace.A shame that this journey through American History has now ended.

Looking forward to your next posts.

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/11/2015 9:19:24 PM   
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A heartfelt thanks for the work you put into this wonderful series. I learned so much from it (and I had thought myself very knowledgeable about the Civil War).

I will miss this so much

Would love to see another "day by day" series on any other conflict (regardless of anniversary dates).



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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/11/2015 9:23:41 PM   
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I came upon your work in midstream, but have read it faithfully since.

You have a talent, sir.

You can be immensely pleased to have provided such a chronicle, and to have educated and entertained so many.

Chuck

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/11/2015 9:39:37 PM   
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Was just thinking... this thread needs to be preserved for easy and continued access... perhaps in a new forum specifically set up to honor distinguished threads of high value...

At the very least, "stickied" somewhere and not allowed to drift away into the darkness once people stop posting to it.

Just a thought...

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/12/2015 12:46:42 AM   
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Easily one of the best quality threads I have ever encountered on any forum. Simply amazing!!

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/12/2015 12:53:17 AM   
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Thank you for your effort, it was a great read and I learned a lot I haven't seen anywhere else.

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/12/2015 11:41:56 AM   
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Thanks for the huge effort Captain Harlock. I will certainly miss my daily read of this thread. It had lots of details I was unaware of and put the conflict in perspective.

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Publish This! Please! - 5/12/2015 7:20:06 PM   
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Looking forward to seeing this published as a book!

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/13/2015 9:59:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Was just thinking... this thread needs to be preserved for easy and continued access... perhaps in a new forum specifically set up to honor distinguished threads of high value...

At the very least, "stickied" somewhere and not allowed to drift away into the darkness once people stop posting to it.

Just a thought...
warspite1

That is a really good idea Rhonda. Any idea if that is possible Capt Harlock?


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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/13/2015 10:33:12 AM   
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Capt. Harlock,

This account has kept me enthralled and you have my heartfelt thanks for creating this work.

I too would like to see this thread preserved so that it does not sink into obscurity.

Best wishes,
Steve

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/13/2015 3:28:45 PM   
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Many thanks Capt. Harlock. The best thread I ever read!

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/13/2015 6:40:46 PM   
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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/13/2015 7:06:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Was just thinking... this thread needs to be preserved for easy and continued access... perhaps in a new forum specifically set up to honor distinguished threads of high value...

At the very least, "stickied" somewhere and not allowed to drift away into the darkness once people stop posting to it.

Just a thought...


I totally agree with you there Rhonda. Have you emailed Erik about it? This thread needs to be preserved if possible.

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/14/2015 1:00:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Josh


quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Was just thinking... this thread needs to be preserved for easy and continued access... perhaps in a new forum specifically set up to honor distinguished threads of high value...

At the very least, "stickied" somewhere and not allowed to drift away into the darkness once people stop posting to it.

Just a thought...


I totally agree with you there Rhonda. Have you emailed Erik about it? This thread needs to be preserved if possible.


Hadn't thought of writing Erik, I assumed he would be viewing. I'll have to do that.

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/14/2015 9:24:42 PM   
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I don't know if you can publish this, Captain. If you can I'll buy a few copies, I know a few ppl who would thoroughly enjoy this.

Great thread, what a project. Thanks, man

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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/15/2015 4:24:41 PM   
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Great topic. However the war didnt end the Confederacy. It still lives on!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_colonies


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RE: My Personal Choice For The End Date - 5/15/2015 7:28:24 PM   
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I don't know if you can publish this, Captain. If you can I'll buy a few copies, I know a few ppl who would thoroughly enjoy this.


I am indeed planning to turn this into an e-book. It's going to take a while, because while I have files of the text I used, I don't have the insertion points for all the image files. And I confess that I do not have a central storage place for those image files -- over the course of the thread I posted from Los Angeles, Chicago, Puget Sound, Atlanta, New Jersey, and London.

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Improper Memory on Memorial Day - 5/25/2015 3:11:07 PM   
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Charles M. Blow has a disappointing column in today's New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/opinion/charles-blow-restoring-memoriam-to-memorial-day.html

He quotes losses of various wars that America has fought, but his figures of Confederate war dead total only 133,821. This is clearly in error: for a century the most widely accepted estimates were 94,000 battle dead and 164,00 non-combat dead, giving a total of 258,000. More recent research by Professor J. David Hacker strongly suggests that even this number should be increased by a further 20% or more.

I will state that I am a Northerner, born in Minnesota, and having attended college in the Boston area (which was Abolition Central before and during the Civil War). But the holiday that we now call Memorial Day evolved from a remembrance of all those who fell in the Civil War. It has now justly been expanded to cover all American soldiers who have lost their lives in service, but it still encompasses those who fought in the Southern side. We do a disservice to the spirit of Memorial Day if we count only half of them.


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