Matrix Games Forums

 Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

The Japs got flight decks again!

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition >> The Japs got flight decks again! Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/5/2011 11:42:09 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Kinda semi-interesting!
Hyuga class helicopter destroyer

They probably chose Ise and Hyuga as names for their hybrid carrier destroyers in happy commemoration of the brilliant hybrid battleships of 44-45!
Guess Japan doesn't like the idea of China building a high seas fleet with carriers.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________



"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Post #: 1
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/5/2011 11:43:26 PM   
Terminus


Posts: 41459
Joined: 4/23/2005
From: Denmark
Status: offline 		Sheesh. We had a thread about this weeks ago.

_____________________________

We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 2
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/5/2011 11:45:06 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Always a joy to hear from you Terminus! 

_____________________________



"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to Terminus)
Post #: 3
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 3:02:10 AM   
2ndACR


Posts: 5665
Joined: 8/31/2003
From: Irving,Tx
Status: offline 		Bout time. We could have sold them a CVN, it carries more. Expensive but worth it.

Glad you posted this, first I heard of it. Unlike Terminus I don't have time to crawl thru every thread and post snippy little one liners everywhere.

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 4
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 3:50:34 AM   
YankeeAirRat


Posts: 633
Joined: 6/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Bout time. We could have sold them a CVN, it carries more. Expensive but worth it.

Glad you posted this, first I heard of it. Unlike Terminus I don't have time to crawl thru every thread and post snippy little one liners everywhere.



The day the JMSDF buys a CVN is the day that Elvis comes back to play at the Tokyo Grand Prix with Jimmy Hendrix and Don Mclean as opening acts.

_____________________________

Take my word for it. You never want to be involved in an “International Incident”.

(in reply to 2ndACR)
Post #: 5
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 3:55:37 AM   
ilovestrategy


Posts: 3611
Joined: 6/11/2005
From: San Diego
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Sheesh. We had a thread about this weeks ago.



Jesus Christ. Don't you ever have anything good to say?

To the OP, thanks for posting the pic. I never knew the Japs had a carrier again.

_____________________________

After 16 years, Civ II still has me in it's clutches LOL!!!
Now CIV IV has me in it's evil clutches!

(in reply to Terminus)
Post #: 6
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 4:06:33 AM   
2ndACR


Posts: 5665
Joined: 8/31/2003
From: Irving,Tx
Status: offline 		I would sell them one in a heart beat. If they would buy it. But if China and NK keep going the way they are, we might see Elvis sooner than we think.

They spent about a billion on that boat. Another 2 billion would have got them alot more capability. Wonder if SK wants one, we need the jobs.

(in reply to ilovestrategy)
Post #: 7
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 1:38:29 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		Hehe, that would be the day but why not let Japan and SK be the frontline in the Far East 
Sometimes such decisions and revolutions come back to haunt you though...if you had sold a CVN to the Shah in the late 70s for example!-)


_____________________________



"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to 2ndACR)
Post #: 8
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 1:44:58 PM   
Chijohnaok2


Posts: 628
Joined: 7/29/2002
From: Florida, USA (formerly Chicago)
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Sheesh. We had a thread about this weeks ago.



Jesus Christ. Don't you ever have anything good to say?

To the OP, thanks for posting the pic. I never knew the Japs had a carrier again.


It's not a carrier.

I mean it sort of looks like a carrier.......it carries aircraft.....but Like the name says, it's a "helicopter- destroyer"


_____________________________



Feel free to drop by and chat about whatever is on your mind.

(in reply to ilovestrategy)
Post #: 9
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 1:49:14 PM   
Chijohnaok2


Posts: 628
Joined: 7/29/2002
From: Florida, USA (formerly Chicago)
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Hehe, that would be the day but why not let Japan and SK be the frontline in the Far East 
Sometimes such decisions and revolutions come back to haunt you though...if you had sold a CVN to the Shah in the late 70s for example!-)

a
Had the US sold the shah a CVN it would likely be in the same shape as the F-14s the US sold them; mostly junk and stripped for spare parts.

_____________________________



Feel free to drop by and chat about whatever is on your mind.

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 10
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 2:36:17 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline 		Helicopter destroyers? What for? ASW? Aren´t there enough other ship classes capable of doing this?

_____________________________


(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 11
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 2:37:01 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Always a joy to hear from you Terminus! 



surprised?

_____________________________


(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 12
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 3:11:17 PM   
Alfred

 

Posts: 6685
Joined: 9/28/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy

Helicopter destroyers? What for? ASW? Aren´t there enough other ship classes capable of doing this?


Much easier to get it through their consitutional limitations and political constraints. Very hard to convince a layman that a carrier with planes is only a self defence weapon platform. However a helicopter destroyer to protect the shipping routes to the Home Islands from enemy submarines, that is a much easier sell.

Alfred

(in reply to castor troy)
Post #: 13
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 3:57:10 PM   
Nemo121


Posts: 5821
Joined: 2/6/2004
Status: offline 		Aye, that's NOT a carrier, those are offensive weapons platforms.

On the other hand a DESTROYER with enhanced helicopter-handling facilities.... Well, that's something they can slip through.

F-35Js? No, honourable Diet member, they aren't for the Ise and Hyuga. Those are useful if airstrips get bombed. Their VTOL capacity is purely for land use.

What do you want to bet the hangar spaces in those "Helicopter-carrying destroyers" has been carefully calculated to hold VTOL F-35s?


Kinda reminds me of Germany in the 30s ( although I don't think Japan has a belligerent agenda )... Bomb bay doors? Not at all, those are merely rapid air mail unloading hatches, honest. Why make them so fast? TO avoid fighters? Absolutely not? The German people deserve the most rapid air mail service in the world

< Message edited by Nemo121 -- 2/6/2011 3:58:25 PM >

_____________________________

John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.

(in reply to Alfred)
Post #: 14
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 6:26:43 PM   
YankeeAirRat


Posts: 633
Joined: 6/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I would sell them one in a heart beat. If they would buy it. But if China and NK keep going the way they are, we might see Elvis sooner than we think.

They spent about a billion on that boat. Another 2 billion would have got them alot more capability. Wonder if SK wants one, we need the jobs.



The South Koreans have a carrier too.

_____________________________

Take my word for it. You never want to be involved in an “International Incident”.

(in reply to 2ndACR)
Post #: 15
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 7:21:43 PM   
janh

 

Posts: 1216
Joined: 6/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR
I would sell them one in a heart beat. If they would buy it. But if China and NK keep going the way they are, we might see Elvis sooner than we think.
They spent about a billion on that boat. Another 2 billion would have got them alot more capability. Wonder if SK wants one, we need the jobs.


Indeed ironic news. They kind of look like an LHD or LHA, or whatever these things are called nowadays.

The Japanese probably wouldn't buy a CVN even if offered with a discount. It is not only the initial investment, but also the upkeep costs that may be a little to unattractive for most other countries. Besides, the USN has already plenty, and they are readily doing the important police work... Saves some money for the health and social systems, or infrastructure, or just the state museums... That's probably why Germany left the task of building two carriers for the European Forces simply to France and GB...

< Message edited by janh -- 2/6/2011 7:22:44 PM >

(in reply to 2ndACR)
Post #: 16
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 7:30:49 PM   
VSWG


Posts: 3432
Joined: 5/31/2006
From: Germany
Status: offline 		Of course the fact that GB and France actually know how to build and operate carriers (and Germany does not) has nothing to do with it... 

_____________________________


(in reply to janh)
Post #: 17
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 7:47:18 PM   
warspite1


Posts: 41353
Joined: 2/2/2008
From: England
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: VSWG

Of course the fact that GB and France actually know how to build and operate carriers (and Germany does not) has nothing to do with it... 

Warspite1

Well France probably does - we forgot how to operate propers aircraft carriers years ago - and as for building them, there was even talk that the QE and PoW would need be built in France .

Frankly, if the Germans are relying on the British and French to cobble together an effective carrier arrangement between them...well they should think May 1940 and decide to dust down whatever's left of the Graf Zeppelin It can't be any worse.

Sorry - (very minor) - but definitely tongue in cheek - rant at the pitiful state of our navy...

_____________________________

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805



(in reply to VSWG)
Post #: 18
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 7:58:11 PM   
The Gnome


Posts: 1233
Joined: 5/17/2002
From: Philadelphia, PA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: YankeeAirRat

The day the JMSDF buys a CVN is the day that Elvis comes back to play at the Tokyo Grand Prix with Jimmy Hendrix and Don Mclean as opening acts.


Don't bet the house on this one. The Japanese are getting really antsy about the chinese military buildup and territory claims (which happen to include some of Japans most critical shipping routes). We could end up seeing the Japanese amend their constitution to begin rearming, and carriers could end up on the shopping list. I think the age of the super carrier is starting to come to an end as their vulnerability, expense, and cheaper options become available.

I doubt the US would have any political problem with the Japanese rearming either as they would be a valuable ally in containing any chinese expansionistic desires (along with the Indians, and eventually Russians).

(in reply to YankeeAirRat)
Post #: 19
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 8:08:53 PM   
2ndACR


Posts: 5665
Joined: 8/31/2003
From: Irving,Tx
Status: offline 		We have the CVN Enterprise due to be removed from service soon. I would prefer to sell it to Japan or SK, or even Taiwan (just to piss off the Chinese) at a discount, than to see it sold for scrap to India or China (who would then probably refit it and put it to use themselves).

My 2 cents on the matter.

(in reply to The Gnome)
Post #: 20
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 8:11:05 PM   
SuluSea


Posts: 2358
Joined: 11/17/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Hehe, that would be the day but why not let Japan and SK be the frontline in the Far East 
Sometimes such decisions and revolutions come back to haunt you though...if you had sold a CVN to the Shah in the late 70s for example!-)



FWIW , the US had scheduled the sale of 4 Kidd Class Destroyers to the Shah that went to the USN shortly after he was overthrown.

I saw pictures of the Japanese vessel on another site last year, smart looking ship IMO.

_____________________________

"There’s no such thing as a bitter person who keeps the bitterness to himself.” ~ Erwin Lutzer

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 21
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 8:19:02 PM   
stuman


Posts: 3907
Joined: 9/14/2008
From: Elvis' Hometown
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: YankeeAirRat


quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Bout time. We could have sold them a CVN, it carries more. Expensive but worth it.

Glad you posted this, first I heard of it. Unlike Terminus I don't have time to crawl thru every thread and post snippy little one liners everywhere.



The day the JMSDF buys a CVN is the day that Elvis comes back to play at the Tokyo Grand Prix with Jimmy Hendrix and Don Mclean as opening acts.



Well, I have some Elvis stories. Cannot speak to Jimi or Don.

_____________________________

" Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. " President Muffley


(in reply to YankeeAirRat)
Post #: 22
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 8:20:38 PM   
stuman


Posts: 3907
Joined: 9/14/2008
From: Elvis' Hometown
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I would sell them one in a heart beat. If they would buy it. But if China and NK keep going the way they are, we might see Elvis sooner than we think.

They spent about a billion on that boat. Another 2 billion would have got them alot more capability. Wonder if SK wants one, we need the jobs.



I have thought the same thing. Both countries need to buy one from us !

And Germany too !

And we keep the maintenance contracts !

And constant upgrades !

Just like my IT vender does to me !


( I had to edit this, I actually like my IT vender )

< Message edited by stuman -- 2/6/2011 8:54:55 PM >

_____________________________

" Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. " President Muffley


(in reply to 2ndACR)
Post #: 23
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 8:32:02 PM   
2ndACR


Posts: 5665
Joined: 8/31/2003
From: Irving,Tx
Status: offline 		Dang skippy. 

(in reply to stuman)
Post #: 24
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 9:14:25 PM   
Skyland


Posts: 280
Joined: 2/8/2007
From: France
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: VSWG

Of course the fact that GB and France actually know how to build and operate carriers (and Germany does not) has nothing to do with it... 


We will built some (2 to 4) of this kind for the Russian also




Attachment (1)

(in reply to VSWG)
Post #: 25
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 9:32:15 PM   
Sredni

 

Posts: 705
Joined: 9/30/2004
From: Canada
Status: offline 		I think the world would be better off if countries weren't allowed to sell arms to eachother.

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 26
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 9:36:12 PM   
Rainer

 

Posts: 1210
Joined: 11/21/2000
From: Neuching, Bavaria, Germany
Status: offline
quote:

I think the world would be better off if countries weren't allowed to sell arms to eachother.

Best post in this thread.

_____________________________

WitP/AE
1.7.11.26b
Data base changes by Andy Mac October 16, 2012
Scen #1 Allied vs AI Level Hard Daily Turns
Art Mods by TomLabel and Reg
Topo Map by chemkid

WitW / Torch
1.01.37 - 1.01.44 beta

(in reply to Sredni)
Post #: 27
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 9:39:50 PM   
PzB74


Posts: 5076
Joined: 10/3/2000
From: No(r)way
Status: offline 		A pacifist on the WitP AE threat! 



_____________________________



"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

(in reply to Rainer)
Post #: 28
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 9:57:50 PM   
2ndACR


Posts: 5665
Joined: 8/31/2003
From: Irving,Tx
Status: offline 		Uh, Canada buys the FA18 from us, and I think the Canadian navy buys the ships abroad too. 

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 29
RE: The Japs got flight decks again! - 2/6/2011 11:12:49 PM   
Rainer

 

Posts: 1210
Joined: 11/21/2000
From: Neuching, Bavaria, Germany
Status: offline
quote:

A pacifist on the WitP AE threat!


Tongue in cheek aside, opposing arms sales to North Korea, Iran, Jemen, Libyen and half a dozen other states doesn't make me a pacifist.
Probably too close to politics; let's rest it at that.

< Message edited by Rainer -- 2/6/2011 11:13:33 PM >

_____________________________

WitP/AE
1.7.11.26b
Data base changes by Andy Mac October 16, 2012
Scen #1 Allied vs AI Level Hard Daily Turns
Art Mods by TomLabel and Reg
Topo Map by chemkid

WitW / Torch
1.01.37 - 1.01.44 beta

(in reply to PzB74)
Post #: 30
Page:   [1] 2   next >   >>
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition >> The Japs got flight decks again! Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

2.094