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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/17/2011 5:55:41 PM   
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(and Canoe has shown a beguiling ability to have this forces in the right place at the right time to inflict maximum damage),


With all due respect that isn't true. Canoerebel has shown the ability to inflict some damage when his opponent fails to cover forces. We can all deliver a beating to someone who fails to cover relatively defenceless forces. To say that that's maximum damage is to make the assumption better opportunities wouldn't have presented themselves. As it is half his CVs are out of position at the moment because he hit one minor force which preceded the main landings.

Also there was a strong case to be made for allowing the landings to go ahead and only hitting those ships on the return journey. Yet that wasn't considered at all. Only the possibility of sinking ships and killing troops was mentioned. Sometimes, strategically, it is better to let a small opportunity ( sinking 20 AKs and a division etc is, in the greater scheme of things not strategically decisive) pass in order to gain a much greater opportunity a short period down the road.

Personally, two thoughts would have governed my thinking on seeing that convoy making for Rangoon:
1. Mines which wound take 3 to 4 men out of the fight while mines which kill immediately only remove one man from the fight.
2. Subutai won a great victory at Mohi not because he swooped in when the enemy was trapped but precisely because he passed up the first opportunity in order to capitalise on a much more favourable opportunity which his opponents gifted him through their use of the initiative to create a much less favourable position for themselves.

A more obvious example would be Kadesh. It illustrates the danger of splitting force - the distance between Amun and Re and the inability of Ptah and Seth divisions to get into the fight at all shows that - and also the dangers of settling for a small win ( the Hittites could have taken half of Rameses' divisions in an afternoon if they hadn't settled but had committed the reserve. Instead they only committed the reserve to avert defeat at the end of the day instead of committing it to gain victory midway through the day ).

As to your assessment of Chez's options in terms of committing... Well, this game was over months ago. I stated as much months ago once it was clear Chez couldn't deal with the whole Boyd cycle thing. So I wasn't saying what Chez might do. It has been my contention for some months now that Canoerebel needs to play the rest of this game as a learning game in which he assumes he's playing a top-flight player so that when he does play a game against someone good he will have had practice with the types of assessment and action which will be necessary then. Otherwise he'll find himself getting spanked early on as he "expects" them to be as laggardly as Chez is.

This game has been over as a going concern since late January, as I said at the time. My only concern now is not over whether Canoerebel will win ( he will ) but over whether or not he learns the reflexes necessary for his next game. Anyways, I'm obviously coming at this from a different perspective than most. I really don't see why there's so much wonder from others about what Chez will do. Whatever he does won't be as a result of a roots and branch re-analysis and so won't be enough. That much has been clear for months. Whatever he does Canoerebel should be able to handle easily even with sub-optimal choices regarding the reserve and the opening of other theatres. If he makes optimal choices then Chez's situation will cascade rapidly downward and things will finish much more rapidly, IMO.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/17/2011 6:46:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I type so many lengthy reports that there's no way anybody could keep track of everything that's going on in the game and why I do all the things I do (though I am constantly amazed at the recollection that many of you demonstrate).  There are, to my way of thinking, good reasons for what I'm doing.  Most of them have been mentioned previously, but to summarize:

1)  I left a chain of carriers - Saratoga and Hornet - between Colombo and Sumatra so that I could transfer carrier aircraft back to Sumatra if needed.  (I didn't just offload them to Sumatra because the bases are crammed full of aircraft).

2)  I diverted some carriers to the Andamans area briefly because all my combat ships expended their ammo.  I consider Burma a major operation in support of Sumatra's defense.  Steve doesn't have supply there, so he can't fly offensive air misssions.  Also, Rangoon is weakly defended.  It is essential to prevent him from reinforcing or resupplying before the Allied army arrives at Rangoon in two or three days.

3)  All the Allied carriers will be back on station south of Sumatra within ten days.  But I can call on all the air squadrons if needed in the meantime.

4)  The danger to Saratoga and Hornet is minimal.  Steve has no detection of them.  Furthermore, Java is iin between them and the KB (the KB is to the NE (true) of Java, the Allied carriers are west of Cacos Island). The KB couldn't catch them even if Steve knew where they were.

5)  The Allies do permit enemy transports to come in and load at times.  As stated, I'm welcoming the Japanese efforts to reinforce the army at Pago Pago, because Steve is reinforcing defeat.  I'm not quite sure if Nemo was suggesting I should have allowed the supply and troop ships to reach Rangoon.  I doubt that's what he was suggesting, because doing so would have been the height of folly.

6)  I certaiinly wouldn't be doing some of the major things I'm doing here against other opponents.  But I not playing any other opponent.  More importantly, I think I am cognizant of some or even many of the things I wouldn't be free to do.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/17/2011 8:14:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nemo, as usual, makes some good points. However, in his analysis he recognizes, as do other commentators, that you are playing a particular individual that has been psychologically stunted for sometime (in a game sense only, Chez). Nemo then discusses some thoughts that further play in this game should be geared toward the next encounter, presumably against an even stronger opponent. This is a reasonable hypothesis. I have no problem with it if that is how the CR wants to play this game.

However, I, and some of the other commentators, do not postulate beyond this game. When confined to this game, I think CR's actions/reactions have been quite good. Surely one can point out a mistake here or there, but the facts remains the same. The Japanese have been blistered again and again to the point that they are in real danger of completely losing the strategic initiative relatively early in the war. This is a very interesting thing to me. It is seldom seen in most WitP games wherein Nemo, or a player of his stature, is not the Allies. It is a teaching experience to me that I, for one, appreciate.

As to the split up of the CVs, I only reiterate what others note in saying that there is little to no danger in this.....in this game. It appears that his opponent has been reduced to using KB as an instrument of escort. Clearly this is a direct result of those earlier successful tactical assaults by the Allies. It is a shameful waste of this mighty force.

Keep pulling the strings, puppet master. The Imperial Japanese will soon enough see the folly of their ways and lay down the sword.

Nemo: Thanks for clarifying the SE Asia reinforcement issue. I thought Chinese moving in Burma triggered something, but reading the manual, I think you are correct.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 2:48:07 AM   
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Sumatra:  The first massed IJ sweeps in months target Palembag.  On the day, I counted 36 IJ fighters lost (Zeros and Oscars) to 26 for the Allies during the animated replay.  This dovetails with the aircraft losses shown on the information screen, and is significantly more than shown on the actual combat report.  I think the combat replay is much more accurate than the combat report.  The Allies did okay on the day, but not spectuacularly.

Java:  KB remains in postion just NE of Semereng.  The IJA untis are slowly advancing, with harrassing missions by B-17s slowing them down a bit.

Bay of Bengal:  A USN three-DD force sinks a PB and four already-damaged xAK south of Tavoy.  The area appears devoid of IJ shipping, with nothing coming up the Malacca Straits.  Accordingly, York and Ent will retire to nearby Colombo to replenish.

Burma:  The Burma Army easily (suprisingly, to me) dispatches a decent IJA regiment (15th Guards) at Mandalay, meaning that two of the three IJA regiments in western Burma have been defeated.  The third, at Lashio, will be hit by two weak Chinese divisions day after tomorrow.  The Allied army at Pegu will reach Rangoon in two or three days.  That's going to be the critical decision in this campaign.  If the Allies take Rangoon, they can hold Burma in force, strengthening their grip while Japan deals with Sumatra over the next two months.  If Rangoon somehow looks too tough, the Allies will either bring reinforcements or march their army up towards Mandalay, sweeping aside the pathetic remants of Japan's western Burma army.  Hurricanes operating out of Pegu handled some weak enemy air raids.

China:  A Chinese stack out of Changsha attacked and nearly achieved 2:1 odds vs. the fresh IJA 40th Division.  The troops will rest a few days and reinforcements will come up.  Mauling enemy units whenever possible is the name of the game, so the Allies are delighted Japan chose to bring this unit forward.

NoPac:  A small IJ carrier force carrying Kates (I think Hosho is part) attacked the Allied combat TF near Amchitka, putting a TT into BB Tennessee, which suffered light damage.  There's another IJ combat TF trailing.  I'm not sure what Steve's up to yet.  A raid?  Possibly reinforcing Amchitka.

CenPac:  Oof.  I left one of the two big transport TFs set to retire, so it was on its way back to San Diego.  It will take an extra day to begin loading the Tarawa invasion TFs.  I don't believe I'll have enough to carry the Ocean Island component, but we'll see.

Pago Pago:  Enemy reinforcement TF will arrive tomorrow.  I am looking forward to whatever damage Allied shore guns might inflict and to seeing which IJN capital ships are present.  I'm also hoping the strength of the Allied garrison at PP will really surprise Steve.

Status:  Hey, we're in late May!  IIRC, BradfordKay once told me that in his game with Steve, Japan took Palembang on May 22. 

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 3:27:35 PM   
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Pago Pago:  The Japanese reinforcement convoy comes in - complete with BB Hiei and CAs Chikuma and Tone.  Mines and shore guns rough up four or five transports.  The Japanese land six more Naval Guards units, boosting AV up near 700.  The Japanese now have 11 Nav Guard units, two regiments, a recon unit, 20th Engineer Regiment, and 37th JNAF base force.  (Query:  Is 11 Nav Guard units a large enough commitment to suggest that Japanese-held islands elsewhere might be underprotected?)  The Allies seem to be in pretty good shape here - 370 AV vs. 690 AV, with forts nearing four and plenty of supply.  I think Japan will have to reinforce...which makes me ponder the possibility of committing Wasp (when she arrives) to take a crack at the BB and CAs, which are way out in the open and unprotected.  The Allies have one other RCT prepping for PP, currently at Pearl.  It will be committed if there are ever sufficient political points.

NoPac:  Hosho confirmed in this theater (Bolos from Adak missed a shot at her).  The Japanese scored a few bomb hits on Tennessee and one on CA Houston.  I'd like to use Wasp up here, too.  When Wasp arrives at Balboa in three weeks, I'll way the opportunities at PP and in NoPac before committing her. Tennessee will retire to Seattle, where Maryland and Idaho are currently under repair.  Pennsylvania, currently at Alameda, will be ready for action in about two weeks.

China:  After yesterday's battle, I though my Chinese stack east of Changsha would automatically reset to "defend."  However, the computer decided that odds for a second assault vs. 40th IJA Div. were acceptable.  The attack occurred and 40th Div. was forced to retreat, losing 58 infantry squads destroyed and 132 non-combat squads destroyed.  That's the sixth IJA Div. roughed up in China in recent weeks, though this one hasn't been "mauled" (yet).

Burma:  The Allies moved a Banshee squadron forward from Madras to Calcutta to Mandalay in recent weeks.  Yesterday, when patrols reported enemy shipping at Bangkok without fighters there, the Banshees went forward to Tavoy.  They sortied and badly damaged or sank two xAK and an SC.  I think the Allied army at Pegu will be in place to attack Rangoon day after tomorrow.

Sumatra:  Large enemy sweeps vs. Djambi, two hexes west of Palembang, drew Allied fighter CAP from the latter.  The Allies were the victors, though the numbers lost weren't very high.  I need to consider limiting the range of my fighters so that they don't get fatigued defending non-critical terrain.

Java:  KB has moved a bit to the NE.  The Japanese took vacant Djakarta.  B-17s continue harrassment missions to slow the enemy advance - this is a non-sexy use of 4EB, but might be absolutely critical to the defense of Sumatra.  Every day of delay in Japan's efforts to take and build bases in western Java is another day bought for Sumatra.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 3:39:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		How high up the CV priority ladder will Wasp be to receive the new Avenger TBs that are coming in?? If your going after BBs and CAs, I would say it needs to be pretty high.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 3:40:00 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 3:43:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you're going directly to Pago Pago, you will need to find a size 7 AF to upgrade. Do you have Christmas Island maxed out?? If not, then you may have to go to Pearl first. Pilot quality may be an issue at start for Wasp.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 3:50:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Without the KB in cover i'd say move to Pago Pago even your surface assets and the Wasp as soon as it arrives. I know jap surface ships have a huge advantage at this stage of the war against american ones...but if you can manage to catch those transports or a good bombardment run against his ashore troops can really ruin his day...he's going nowehere with those naval units me think. In my game a couple of indian Bde managed to swallow 4 and then 3 Naval guard units before succumbing against a round-the-clock BBs bombardment lasted one week... so i'd say, bring in everything you have in the pacific...make him run away with his ships and then transform pago pago in a pow camp

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 5:02:38 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		If Steve has any semblance of firepower at Pago Pago, he'll try an attack in a day or two to probe the Allied defenses.  On the other hand, if he has huge supply and disruption problems, his only alternatives are to bring reinforcements or try big bombardment runs with Hiei and friends.

The USA RCT prepping for Pago Pago at Pearl is assigned to Hawaiian Command, so it won't take many PP to buy it - perhaps 100 or so.  I've got that, but all my shipping at Pearl is designated for the Tarawa invasion.  So I'll send more transports to Pearl from San Diego.  I don't want enough AV to evict the Japanese from PP - just enough to prevent Japan from taking it, thus pressuring Steve to allocate more time and resource to this tar baby.

The San Francisco/Pensacola TF will be just south of PP tomorrow.  If the Japanese expend more ammo against PP tomorrow, the capital ships will be out of big-caliber stuff.  In that case, the USN CAs will seek battle the following day (even though they have 82% ammo after clashing with the Yubari TF a week ago).

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/18/2011 7:35:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bay of Bengal (forgot to note this in regular post for the day):  Patrols report a large enemy combat TF moving out of the Malacca Straits towards either Port Blair or Rangoon.  While patrols reported at least four BB, Cribtop HQ...I mean Canoe HQ....evaluates this as a combat TF intended to clear the Allied CL/DD TF out of the mouth of the river at Rangoon.  HQ doesn't think this is bringing supplies, though that can't be entirely discounted.  With the Battle of Rangoon to take place beginning the day after tomorrow, the Allies will do everything possible to stop supply from reaching Rangoon.  Also, IJN cruisers are a very high value target.  Damaging or destroying them materially benefits the defense of Sumatra.  Accordingly, CVs Lexington, Indomitable, and Ilustrious will be vectored to the vicinity from their current position SW of Sabang (IE, they are in perfect position to interdect the enemy TFs path of retreat back into the Malacca Straits.  (The KB is near Ketapang, and thus no threat.)

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/19/2011 6:47:17 PM   
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Steve scored a few hits today and feels better about things, but overall I thought it was another good turn for the Allies.  There is alot going on in very theater, so every turn is full of excitement now.

Burma:  The Allied army of about 450 AV arrived at Rangoon to find it defended by just one regiment (and that one recently forced to retreat from Pegu after combat) plus some support units.  There's the urban bonus, but supply should be short.  I'm very anxious to see how this turns out tomorrow.  Up at Lashio, the Chinese units aren't strong enough to dislodge an IJ regiment.  An attack by the vanguard unit of the Burma Army attacks at Meiktila tomorrow, with a fair chance of success (and if not then, the day after when the rest of the army arrives).  The Japanese have a full-blown crisis in Burma and that is evident from certain developments.

Bay of Bengal:  BBs Mutsu and Nagato are in the Andaman Sea, not far from Rangoon.  An IJ DD force caught and destroyed an Allied transport TF carrying engineers to Moulmein (the TF retreated from safety at Moulmein right into the path of the destroyers). 

Weighing and Balancing:  This is a chance for the Allies to positively impact the balance of forces for the upcoming Battle of Sumatra.  Two IJN battleships have already been sunk, with others damaged.  So its worth diverting the Allied carriers into the vicinity.  They won't be in position for two more days, so whether the IJN BBs hang around is a question.  Also, the KB is just east of Singapore - a position from which it can sprint into the Bay of Bengal.  That's a threat, but the Allied carriers have a big cushion and could retire to either Colombo or Calcutta, where CAP augmented by land-based fighters would be sufficient for protection, IMO.  There's also a small chance that Japan could use the absence of Allied carriers from Sumatran waters, once confirmed, to proceed with the invasion of Sumatra - I rate that possibility as highly unlikely as Japan hasn't had time to get things orchestrated after the recent invasion of Java.  Weighing all these factors, the Allies will commit three American carriers and three RN carriers.  Hornet and Saratoga will move further west so that they can fly off their fighter squadrons to Ceylon (and then on to Calcutta, if needed there) in the event of a move by the KB into the Bay of Bengal.

Sumatra:  IJN DDs roughed up a bunch of patrol boats and also sank two xAK, one of which was carrying a P-40 squadron to Oosthaven.  That stings (and results from my having lost track of that TF).  Oosthaven forts just went to level five.  Palembang forts are at 5.89 and will reach six in three days.  Three Allied BB TFs are south of Benkolen.

Pago Pago:  Allied shoreguns shot up four or five more transports.  At least two other enemy TFs are in the vicinity, so I'm trying to decide whether to commit the San Fran/Pensacola TF into the fray (I had been relying on the fact that the enemy combat ships embedded in the transport TFs would be low on ammo after dueling with shoreguns, but the presence of at least one other combat TF in the vicinity makes me leery).  Overall, the situation at Pago Pago looks very good for the Allies.  It is turning into a diversion that is costing Japan alot.  For instance, BB Hiei and two CAs have been committed to this area for more than a month.

Tarawa:  The bulk of the Tarawa invasion TFs begin loading tonight and should depart by tomorrow night.  One advance TF carrying a Marine regiment is already nearing Christmas Island.

NoPac:  Lots of Japanese ships up here.  Hosho-based Kates scored one bomb hit on a DMS.  I think this is reinforcements bound for Amchitka.  That's fine, because it's another Pago Pago-like location for Japan - way out at the end of Japan's tether and close to major Alllied resources so that the Allies should be able to attrit the enemy once I have the resources.  But, in the near term, I can't dispute the reinforcement mission (if that's what it is) since Tennessee is damaged.

China:  The Chinese are moving a stack (late from Changsha) to Loying and Chengchow theater, but the Chinese are withdrawing in good order from these forward and relatively indefensible positions back to the original MLR.  From there, the Chinese can regroup and attack vulnerable Japanese units.  The Chinese are currently working on two other concentrations for attack - one fo the just-defeated 40th Div. east of Changsha, the other of an IJ Div. (37th?) north of Sinyang.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/20/2011 11:52:38 PM   
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Burma:  The Allied army gets a high-end 1:1 and drops forts from 2 to 1.  Rangoon may fall tomorrow, but it's nto a sure thing.  Up at Meiktila, the Burma Army takes that base.  Over at Lashio, an IJ regiment evicts the two Chinese units.  Overall, the Allies are in good position to wrest Burma from Japan.  That should present Japan with a dilemma - how to deal with Burma and Sumatra at the same time.

Bay of Bengal:  Mutsu and Nagato are at the little base below Tavoy.  My carriers won't be in position to strike for at least two more days, as they are taking the safer course west of Andaman Island.  This is necessary because my patrols lost touch with the KB - I don't know if it's at Singapore, in the South China Sea, or half way up the Malacca Straits.  I have pickets out, but I'll have to watch things very carefully.

Sumatra:  Quiet.

Java: Japanese units slowly moving east and west from the invasion beaches.  Batavia and Merak probably won't fall until early June.

SoPac:  No enemy attacks at Pago Pago.

CenPac: All invasion TFs bound for Tarawa will have departed Pearl by tonight.  D-Day could be in as little as ten days or so.

NoPac:  I think all the fuss up here was Steve sending some supply to his garrison at Amchitka.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/21/2011 3:26:44 AM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/21/2011 2:57:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow the AAR heated up quiet a bit since I last checked. Hmm your progress in Burma is great so far and I am sure its annoying your opponent.  Can't wait to see how the Bay of Bengal plays out, though I am more interested to see how things finally go when he hits Sumatra.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/21/2011 7:48:47 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/21/2011 9:31:59 PM   
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Thank you for the encouraging comments, gents.

Bay of Bengal: The KB is indeed making its way up the Malacca Straits, currently just southeast of Georgetown.  This is unfortunate, because my carriers could be in a position to strike a beefy IJN combat TF tomorrow.  Oh, how I'd love to hammer Mutsu, Nagato, Takao, Kumano and Atago!  But this is one chance I'm going to decline.  My carriers will retire towards Colombo to see what happens with the Japanese.

Burma:  I expect Japan to try to orchestrate a relief effort for Burma, but I'm unsure whether it will be before or after Sumatra (after means an Allied victory no matter what happens).  The Allied attack at Rangoon came off at 1:2 with light and equal casualties.  I'll have to rest my troops a few days before trying again.  By then I'll have an additional 30 AV (or perhaps as many as 170 if a Brit Bde. double-times it from Moulmein).  I feel good about Burma, because at this point the road to safety is open in the event things turned really sour.  The Allied army could move off to Schwebo and India, or even take a right turn and go to China (that would be odd to have 27th USA Div. fighting in China in mid 1942, but it's remotely possible it could happen).

Sumatra:  IJN shippnig just east of Batavia includes CS Mizuiho.  An Allied combat TF including BC Renown will sortie from Oosthaven.  While the KB is way, the Allies shall play!

Java:  Enemy troops advancing on the ground and also landing here and there.

SoPac:  The enemy destroyers embedded in a big transport TF handled the San Fran/Pensacola combat TF, doing heavy damage to DD Le Triumphant.  These ships will retire to Pearl to replenish and reorganize with some heavier duty guns.

CenPac:  All Tarawa invasion TFs are on the way with no signs of detection. D-Day roughly 10 days.

NoPac:  USN DD TF sank two PB and two xAKL at Amchitka.  The Hosho TF is retiring towards the Kuriles.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/22/2011 3:17:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was hoping you would get the chance to punch him in the nose again. Bagging those BB's and CA's would have been nice.  Oh well.  It won't be your last opportunity.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/22/2011 8:34:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still can't believe this is a scen2 game... great work CR!
Keep it up!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/22/2011 1:58:12 PM   
Canoerebel


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Only time for a quick report.
 
Bay of Bengal:  The KB is just NW of Georgetown, and the big IJN combat TF withdrew from its forward position.  I'm positve Steve caught wind of an Allied carrier or two near Andamans Island yesterday, which may make him cautious.  The Allied carriers are all a day or two out of Colombo, though, so no action is imminent.

Burma:  The Alied army at Rangoon will rest one more day before attacking again.

Sumatra:  Palembang forts just went to level six (that's big news).

Java:  As noted, it will take Japan into June to complete the conquest of this nearly undefended island.

SoPac:  Steve has posted I-10 near Pago Pago.

CenPac:  The Tarawa invasion TFs are widely scattered between Christmas Island and a point south of Pearl, but are on converging courses that will take then to Tarawa on a course north of Baker Island.

NoPac:  Enemy TFs all back around the Kuriles.

Changsha:  Big enemy stack (nine divisions) recently at Changsha finally arrived and reclaimed Kaifeng, which was vacant but for a small HQ and one small infantry unit.  The Chinese are concentrating for a major assault on two smaller IJA armies near Sinyang.  The Japanese have perhaps 6,000 AV in this theater (from Kaifeng to Sinyang), but the Chinese have at least 9,000 AV just to the west and south.  As long as Japan is dispersed, the Chinese can concentrate and thrash. 

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/22/2011 3:59:25 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/22/2011 4:45:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Level 6 forts at Palembang is a big accomplishment. I assume you have the necessary supply level to push on to level 7?


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/22/2011 5:38:11 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/22/2011 5:58:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another consideration in favor of standing and fighting in the DEI - India is a lot closer than Pearl (for efforts in CENTPAC), so damaged ships have a better chance of making it to decent sized shipyards for repair.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/23/2011 2:09:37 PM   
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I should clarify something.  Despite all that has gone wrong for Japan, and despite the lateness of the date to be fighting over this territory, Steve is getting his forces better organized now.  He's getting close to isolating eastern Sumatra, and anywhere the KB is in strength, the Allies have to stay away.  So this is a tense interval in the game, though the Allies like the way things are going.

Andaman Sea:  The KB is remaining "within itself" - not leaping forward in an aggressive manner.  It's pretty clear that the mission is to control the Andaman Sea and vicinity, probably to allow IJ reinforcement TFs to safely make it into the theater.  It's not beyond plausibility that Steve might come for Port Blair.  I'm not willing to take on the KB at this point, so the Allied carriers are all converging on Colombo to top off fuel and to make sure that aircraft squadrons are maxed out.  From there, they'll slide back south of Sumatra to go on patrol.

Burma:  The Allies should take Lashio and Magwe tomorrow, and there's a decent chance Rangoon will fall.  Taking the latter is the key to the situation - once Rangoon falls the Allied army can deploy defensively and manage logistics to get air power up and running.  I'd like some time to coordinate my defenses in Burma and Port Blair, but I'm not 100% sure I'll hold the latter much longer.

China:  The Chinese army smacked 6th IJA Div. near Sinyang, destroying about 260 infantry and non-combat squads.  That's at least the sixth IJ division driven back in battle - six divisions that range from moderately damaged to mauled.

Sumatra:  Quiet while the KB is away.  Palembang forts up to 6.03%.  At a rate of .03 per day, it's conceivable forts could be up to level seven in a little over a month.  Oosthaven airfield could go to level nine in less than a month - and the Allies have 250+ base support there.  That too could be key.

Java:  Enemy advance continues, though fairly slowly. 

SoPac:  No sign of enemy transports at the moment, and the enemy isn't attacking at Pago Pago.

Tarawa:  Invasion TFs are rendezvouing southeast of Johnston Island.  Things look good at the moment.  BBs Warspite and Colorado are present.

NoPac:  BB Pennsylvania will be ready at Alameda in a week.  Idaho will be ready in a month.  Wasp will arrive at Balboa in less than three weeks.  The Allies are looking at a major effort to reinforce Paramushiro in perhaps two months (assuming the Allies still hold it by then, which would be a pleasant surprise but not beyond the realm of possiblity if Japan is focusing on the DEI).

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/23/2011 3:29:31 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/23/2011 4:04:47 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/23/2011 5:48:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan 14,500
Allies 12,000

Japan leads in troops killed by about 6,000 to 2,000 (that's still a good ratio for the Allies at this point in the war).

The Allies have lost about 400 fewer aircraft.

The Aliles have lost about 200 more points in ships (roughly 2,400 points scored by Japan, to roughly 2,200 for the Allies).

The Allies still havea lead in base points.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 2:13:34 AM   
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Burma:  All eyes will be on Rangoon.  Today's deliberate attack came off at 1:2, didn't touch forts, but the IJ garrison seems awfully weakend now.  On the other hand, some kind of major reinforcement operation is underway with Japanese TFs drawing close - I think they'll arrive in two days...if they are heading for Rangoon.  SigInt keeps reporting marus bound for Pegu, which I didn't even think was a port hex.  I've got to be careful here - if the Japanese land at Rangoon, the Allies won't have enough to take the base.  If the Japanese land at Pegu, there's a risk that the Allied line of retreat could be severed.  So, the Allies will shock attack tomorrow.  If that fails, the Allied expeditionary army will probably retire to Pegu to make sure the LOC remains open.  In upper Burma the Allies take Magwe and Taung Gyi.  Another Burma army unit is moving down the road to Taungu.  Once that base is taken, the Allies have an open LOC to western Burma, India, and China.

Bay of Bengal:  The KB is stationed a bit further south, close to Georgetown, as though protecting against Allied carrier incursions through the channel between Sumatra and Andaman Island.  But the Allied carriers just topped off at Colombo.  They're heading north into the Bay of Bengal, though only about six hexes as we wait to see what happens at Rangoon tomorrow.  My preference is to send the carriers back to their patrol stations south of Sumatra.

SoPac: No IJ attacks at Pago Pago yet.  Transports to carry another USA RCT to PP will arrive at Pearl Harbor in two days.

CenPac:  The Tarawa invasion force continues to make good time; most transports have rendezvoued with the Warspite/Colorado TF.  D-Day perhaps seven days.

NoPac:  The enemy seems to be concentrating on building its own infrastructure - landings at Ketoi Jima, the island south of Onnekotan Jima.  So no major IJ amphibious activity likely until that base is built to some extent.

Points Total:  After checking, the actual totals are Japan 14,300; Allies 12,500.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 2:29:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even if he stymies you at Rangoon, the Tarawa invasion will come off with perfect timing to stay inside his decision loop.

Should you fail to take Rangoon tomorrow, is Pegu the better choice or should you retire to Mandalay?

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