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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 2:44:09 AM   
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The shock attack at Rangoon tomorrow is really crucial:

1. If it fails, the Japanese should be able to bring in reinforcments to secure their hold at Rangoon. In that event, the Allied army will have to be content with holding western Burma until the Japanese arrive in greater force (which will happen eventually). Since the Allied army at Rangoon arrived from Pegu, that's the only hexside open to retire the army if needed. So they would go first to Pegu, then up the road to Mandalay. I don't foresee any circumstances in which the Japanese could stop that army once it reaches Pegu, but if Steve were to take Pegu before my Rangoon army retired, I'd be in a world of hurt. Right now, Pegu is held by a UK brigade, and the Rangoon troops should be able to retire in a matter of two or three days.

2. If Rangoon falls, Japan is toast in Burma until it can orchestrate a major counterlanding at some point in the future. The Allies have troops in India prepping for Burma, and using the network of air bases that would then exist, the Allies could reinforce in strength. There would be a real question if Japan could ever re-take Burma, because it would first have to deal with Sumatra in the coming months (to do vice-versa would be suicidal). Burma would become very strong.

So all this hinges on tomorrow's attack.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 4:38:28 AM   
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And that, sports fans, is why they play the games. Good luck, Dan.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 9:55:41 PM   
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Burma:  The Allied shock attack at Rangoon failed, though the Japanese suffered higher casualties.  A fresh UK brigade just arrived, but USA 27th Div. is badly disrupted.  My guys will have to rest.  The Brits will bombard to see if the Japanese reinforce (there is some shipping in port now).  Right now, no apparent threat to the line of retreat, so my units will remain in place.  The Allies should take Tongoo (spelling), the final link in the chain of bases stretching from Pegu up to Mandalay and beyond.  (P.S.  I can't figure out the failure of the Allied attacks - the army is decently prepped, 27th Div. is under good command, and there is plenty of supply.  The first attack nearly got 2:1 odds and the Japanese force is meager. Such is war!)

Bay of Bengal:  The KB remains position between Malaya and Andaman Island.  The Allied carriers are a bit NNE of Trincomalee, just monitoring things.

China:  The Chinese will get another crack at 6th Div. unless it withdraws tonight.

DEI:  Quiet since the KB is away.

SoPac:  Quiet at Pago Pago, though the IJ AV is rising steadily as the invasion troops recover disruption - up to about 750 now.  It will be at least two weeks before I can get reinforcements there from Pearl.  Forts should go to 4 tomorrow or the day after.  Supply is good.  AV is steady at 370.

CenPac:  Tarawa TFs still rendezvouing between south of Canton Island.  I don't know what's awaiting at Tarawa.  I plan to do some recon starting a day before the landing.  The Allies have 32nd Div., tanks, combat engineers, and two Marine RCT.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 10:01:20 PM   
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Well, he is in light urban (2X IIRC) with presumably some fort levels (how many?). Did the combat report show any minuses for you? Plusses for him? Those factors are usually the key.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 10:08:35 PM   
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Have you moved a Command HQ from India into Burma?? It will help draw in supplies and if you prep it for Rangoon(radius 9 hexes), it may help with combat odds. I wonder if having a Command HQ at Imphal and Mandalay would draw the excess supply from India into Burma. If so, then you could use the supply draw buttons to get some into China.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/24/2011 10:12:21 PM   
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He has one fort.  He got plusses for terrain (minor urban) and leaders.  The Allies got a plus for shock attack and a minus for disruption (in the 20s after the deliberate attack of the day before; ordinarily, the Allies would have rested a day, but the situation called for a "throw everything at them attack" for reasons explained in previous posts).

No Allied HQ in Burma at present.  One is prepping at Madras, though I can't bring it in until the coast is clear - but it probably won't be clear until the issue is decided.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 12:40:08 PM   
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Bay of Bengal:  The KB has taken station just north of Andaman Island, shielding the transports Steve has on the way to Rangoon.  Many IJ combat TFs are also in this region. He is giving Burma his full attention, which certainly means Sumatra has a breather for awhile.  The Allied carriers are posted just NE of Trincomalee, 16 hexes from the KB.  I don't think Steve knows their location, though he has to assume there close.

Burma:  No reinforcements at Rangoon yet.  27th US Div. needs a few more days to rest and recover, though I'm not sure they'll get it.  This is a tight thing, as described in detail a few posts back.  A strong Burma Army unit will arrive at vacant Taungoo tomorrow (an IJ unit is one hex away, but I think it has lost the race).  If the Allies take Taungoo, the road is open from Schwebo all the way to Pegu.

China:  The Chinese roughed up 6th Div. for the second time in three days, this time destroying 200 combat and non-combat squads (a total of 460 during the two attacks).  Thus, 6th Div. is probably down to about 250 or so AV.  A bigger Chinese stack (6,000 AV) gets a stab at two Chinese units north of Sinyang tomorrow (unless those units evacuate tonight).  No matter what these units are, they will be toast.  I'm not sure why Steve doesn't withdraw his units in the face of overwhelming odds, but he's been tardy many times.

DEI:  Quiet.  The Japanese are methodically, but not quickly, advancing across Java.  Palembang forts to 6.12 and increasing at a rate of .03 per day.  Oosthaven airfield at 8.78 and increasing at a rate of .01 or .02 per day.  The Allies continue to air evacuate Java base force personnel to various bases in Sumatra.

SoPac:  Another IJ TF (seems to be combat ships) nearing Pago Pago.

CenPac:  Tarawa invasion TFs have rendezvoued and are perhaps five to six days away.  No sign of detection.

NoPac:  The Japanese continue to build up their Kuriles bases.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 1:33:29 PM   
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He's concentrating his combat power (finally), but I think it will be too little, too late - he's losing control of the situation in China & hasn't retrieved the situation in the Kuriles yet either. Your move at Tarawa is going to catch him flat footed, just as he's making progress in Java (but still not in a position to move against Sumatra).

I really like the fact that you're going to be in a good position to "reinforce" success and provide some good jumping off points for your future offensive operations, rather than try to make up lost ground. Even if he holds Rangoon, his overall position is compromised & he's either going to have to commit way more forces than he otherwise would need to try to make up for lost time or try to dig in & place defense here.

He has to realize that every day your position in Sumatra gets stronger, but like a good arsonist - you keep lighting fires in different locations that he has to deal with (and unfortunately for him, but fortunately for you - he's done a poor job in closing the deal, anywhere at this point).

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 2:30:55 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 4:48:06 PM   
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How are planes and pilots losses so far?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 4:56:35 PM   
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Hmmmm....been pondering. Since you know exactly where the KB is & he probably doesn't know where you are - do you have enough combined combat power to accept battle at this point? If you can get in a good strike & take out 3 - 4 carriers, you know he's pretty much sunk since you will be replacing your losses at lot sooner & he won't have enough left to escort future invasions.

Just a thought - perhaps not the time to take a big risk like that, but it could be appealing. A good discussion topic as well.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 5:08:43 PM   
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Some of my answer to that question depends on the status of Dan's air groups. It's still too early for Avengers, yes? With Devastators and bad torps, your strike power is diluted. Unless you pulled the torps and increased Dauntless group size.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 6:00:50 PM   
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After mulling over the possibilities, I decided not to commit the Allied carriers.  While the Allies have the advantage of knowing the exact position of each side and have a friendly level one airfield at Port Blair to provide some help, the American carriers are still short of dive bombers.  I have one squadron of SBDs at Bombay trying to draw replacements, but the computer isn't allowing me to do so.  Also, Hornet still has Helldiver biplanes.  So I'm just lurking while monitoring the situation.  If a better opportunity arises, then we'll see.

Allied pilot and plane losses have been light since Japan basically turned turtle for three months.  The Allies have plenty of Army pilots in the reserve pools, but are short on Navy pilots.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 6:29:56 PM   
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Dude, you didn't say you had Helldivers. Increase speed to flank and attack, you lily-liver!

Obviously the above is sarcasm. An exchange would be to your benefit, but with the lack of good DBs and TBs you are unlikely to achieve an even exchange. That said, the idea seems sound if you can arrange the correct conditions. The remaining strategic assets in Steve's hands are KB and the extra scenario 2 ground forces. Deprive him of KB and watch the floodgates open.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 6:50:30 PM   
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Oh yeah, a defeat of the KB would be a mortal blow to Steve at this point.

As for ground troops, the Allies have emphasized the war in China for the reason you mention:  Japan draws four extra divisions in Scenario Two, so the Allies have tried to hit as many IJ divisions in China as possible.  Thus far, six have been forced to retreat after combat multiple times to the point that AV is seriously diminished.  This has created a crisis in China for Japan, so that Japan is forced (I hope) to send additional divisions into China and certainly doesn't have the luxury of drawing divisions out.

This also gives me peace about India, which was under-garrisoned for much of the game.  India is very close to secure at this point, even if Steve got a wild-hair and came for it full bore.  If necessary, I could put 3,000 AV into Bombay, which has 700k supply.  In addition, 500 AV in regular reinforcements arrive in Aden/India over the next 40 days, with the equivalent of a Marine Division arriving at Capetown over the same time period.

If these troops aren't needed in India (and they almost certainly won't be), they might be used in Burma, Sumatra, or to counterinvade someplace like Timor...or possibly to garrison Darwin in strength.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 8:02:43 PM   
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Hello Dan.

One thing that puzzles me is you will not take on the KB whereas you did (And came out about even) in our game at around the same date.

Considering you are in a much better position in this game I dont understand your caution. A 50/50 or even 40/60 exchange would more or less finish off the game as a contest. Once the KB is gone or at least partly destroyed he has nothing left to stop you.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/26/2011 8:12:29 PM   
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Hey, Paul. I could feel that it was right in our game, but not in this one at this time.  Also, in our game I wasn't counting on the Allied carriers for anything particularly crucial at the time.  In this game, the carrier figure prominantly in the defense of Sumatra.  There, I hope to use LBA and positioning to really whack the IJ invasion fleet.  I'm leary of doing anything that might affect my ability to do so.  As Nemo would put it, my carriers are my reserve.  I need to use them only if it will be decisive in my favor.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/27/2011 1:29:03 PM   
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Bay of Bengal:  KB remains just off the north tip of Andaman Island.  Mutsu, Nagato, Atago, Takeo and Kuman bombard Port Blair.  Allied CVs are southeast (true) of Ceylon.

Burma:  BFF Brigade should take vacant Toungoo tomorrow.  Still no IJ reinforcements on the ground at Rangoon, where the Allied troops need to rest at least two more days.

China:  The Chinese really battered the fresh IJA 3rd Div. north of Sinyang.  That's the seventh IJ division mauled in the past six weeks:  3, 6, 34, 36, 37, 39, 104.  Currently, the biggest IJ army in China is at Kaifeng - nine fresh divisions - say 4,500 AV.  The Chinese have 8,500 AV operating in two stacks near Sinyang.  Even combined, that army can't take on nine IJ divisions, so they'll keep probing for weaker prey.  I can't be positive, but I think the defeat of seven divisions has to have created a bit of a crisis for Japan.  (Japan has already lost 2,000 points in troops - in my game with Q-Ball, Japan didn't reach that level until late 1942 after the Allies destroyed a bunch of divisions caught and trapped in India.)

Sumatra:  Oosthaven airfield to 8.80.  With two IJ BBs in the Bay of Bengal and a third at Pago Pago, and with at least seven IJ cruisers committed in the Bay plus Pago Pago plus NoPac, there is no imminent threat to Sumatra - the Allies have much more seapower in the region at the moment.

SoPac:  Heie, Tone and Chikuma return to Pago Pago, dropping off a few men (probably support elements of troops previously landed) and supply.  Forts go to four.  A fresh USA RCT is aboard transports enroute from Pearl Harbor.  ETA probably ten days.

CenPac:  Tarawa invasion armada 21 hexes to the ENE.  No sign of detection.  A "mock" invasion force of a few small ships scraped together is a few hexes NE of Wake with no sign of detection.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/27/2011 6:32:06 PM   
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Great job in China, although I don't know why he's making it so easy. A simple matter of pulling those divisions out of harms way until he can at least mass to cause a stalemate. You can definitely see that the current state of affairs is causing even the simple fixes to go unimplemented and those divisions won't recover anytime soon either.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 4:50:17 AM   
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CenPac: Tarawa invasion armada 21 hexes to the ENE. No sign of detection. A "mock" invasion force of a few small ships scraped together is a few hexes NE of Wake with no sign of detection.

Its a pain when decoys dont work as decoys, maybe you need to kick the Wake garrison a bit, or has it been evacuated??????????

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 2:33:35 PM   
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We're beginning June 1942, so a theater analysis is in order to see how Allied operations are complimenting each other:

DEI:  Here is the key theater in the game.  The Allies have pretty much maxed out defenses in eastern Sumatra.  The question is whether the Allies can hold permanently.  If so, they've won the war.  But Japan will have the ability to isolate this area and try to overcome the Allies there for some undertermined period that should last anywhere from three to six months.  Gradually, the Allies should attain enough assets and power to "come to the rescue" of eastern Sumatra if it remains in Allied hands long enough.  The short term objective is to hammer the first major Japanese effort to land in eastern Sumatra.  The long term objective is to hold eastern Sumatra long enough for initiative to change.

Burma:  It appears that the Allies will not succeed in taking Rangoon, which is disappointing.  A successful campaign would have turned Burma into an Allied stronghold that would have complimented the defense of Sumatra.  Nevertheless, the Burma campaign has been successful, though to a lesser extent.  At little cost, the Allies have tied up the KB and major combat ships for weeks as Steve (successfully) mounted a quick Rangoon relief effort.  At a minimum, Burma bought eastern Sumatra two weeks (maybe as much as a month) of freedom from isolation. 

China:  The Chinese army has been on a rampage, taking on and savaging seven IJA divisions over the past six weeks.  There was little strategic skill involved in this - rather, I believe the success came in the fact that Steve thought the battle was about bases when it was really about units.  I hope to continue the pressure in China indenfinately.  This is a low risk, high return theater of operations for the Allies.  At the very least, I believe the situation prevents Steve from buying units out of China for use elsewhere.  It's possible he's even had to send fresh units there to stave off what seemed like a disaster in the making for awhile.

SoPac:  Pago Pago is important to the Allies only because it's become important to Japan.  For the Allies, the operations there are low risk/high reward (the Allies can afford to lose everything committed).  PP has tied up BB Hiei and two IJN cruisers for two months.  Japan keeps feeding troops and ships into the melee to no good effect.  In order to frustrate Japan and to keep Steve's attention at Pago Pago, the Allies will reinforce a bit and commit additional combat ships if there seems to be a chance to whack Hieie, Tone, and Chikuma.

CenPac:  The Allied invasion of Tarawa is imminent.  A failure here could result in a reverse Pago Pago.  So, if things go sour, the Allies probably ought to bug out.  If successful, however, Tarawa (and associated islands) poses a major threat to extended Japanese LOC down the Solomons to Fiji, Pago Pago, and New Caledonia.  The Allies would also cast a glance to the north (Mili, Majuero, Wotje, etc.).

NoPac:  The March invasion of NoPac really threw Japan for a loop for awhile.  Even now, nine weeks later, Japan has at least two CAs, perhaps as many as four, and a CVE operating up here.  Alot of ships and units are involved in base building.  Japan can easily re-take Onne and Para at the moment, but if there is a further delay into the summer, the Allies may try to re-supply, reinforce, and try to hold these bases into the winter.  But these bases are "on their own" for at least another month, after which I might have CV Wasp and CVE Long Island available for duty.   

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 3:48:51 PM   
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Bay of Bengal:  The KB is stationed west of the Andaman Islands - its first foray into the Bay proper.  Canoe HQ considers the possibility of a raid on Ceylon very remote.  However, the Allied carriers and some RN and USAAF fighter squadrons are available.

Burma:  Japanese reinforcements are landing at Rangoon, raising the AV up into the 300s and effectively ending any chance the Allies had of taking this city.  Japanese forces also reclaimed Moulmein from a reduced-strength USA RCT.  Burma Army did take Tongoo, thus giving the Allies control of the roads from Pegu up into western Burma.  The Allies will begin withdrawing from Rangoon.  I may try to destroy the isolated IJ regiment at Lashio in the process.  The withdrawal will be methodical - waiting to see if Japan brings enough to really take control of Burma.  If so, the Allies will eventually retire into India.

DEI:  Sumatra remains quiet.  The Japanese take Soerabaja.  4th IJ Div. has an AV of 273 - possibly reduced when the Allied carriers struck the IJ invasion fleet three weeks ago.

Pago Pago:  More IJ transports arrive with a handful hammered by shore guns.  The Japanese shock attack with terrible results for them - 1:2 odds result in 70 infantry squads destroyed.  Neither the Allied army nor forts were touched.  The Allies might try a counterattack (though, honestly, I'd like Steve to continue feeding in ships and men, so I wouldn't want it to succeed, so should I try it?).

Tarawa:  Invasion armada 16 hexes to the ENE.  No signs of detection.  A couple of Allied xAKLs recently unloaded supply at Johnston Island and weren't detected by any enemy patrols out of Baker Island.  It's possible, I suppose, that Steve has what he deems to be higher priority uses for his patrol squadrons.  (Canoe HQ hopes that's a good sign.)


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 4:33:47 PM   
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Well, it would be counter-productive to end his presence at Pago-Pago, since you do want him to keep feeding men & supplies (if only to get a whack at the surface ships & AKs/APs) - and you don't want to weaken yourself (unless you think you can cripple him, without driving him off the island).

Too bad about Rangoon, but he's still forced to commit forces in the wrong place, at the wrong time - at least you may be able to stabilize a line that can continue to threaten his position here.

If he does try to raid Ceylon, you can position your carriers to take advantage of his settings on port / airfield strikes. He may be tempted to push forward, if only to try to inflict some damage & attempt to regain the initiative. I would pay close attention, because it could prove to be an excellent opportunity for you to catch him with his pants down.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 4:57:04 PM   
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Yes, the KB sitatuion is under constant evaluation.  Right now, the closest decent IJ ports are Georgetown and Rangoon, both of which would be subject to raids by B-17s from Palembang.  So, if the KB sticks its nose too far into the Bay of Bengal, it might be worth rolling the dice and attacking.  Damaged IJ carriers would have a long, dangerous trip back to a safe port - subject to subs and LBA through the Makassar Straits.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 4:58:50 PM   
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By the way, I think 15th Army HQ might have played a critical role in Japan's defense of Rangoon.  The Japanese only had one RCT there - and it had arleady been beaten once in battle.  Japan also had the light urban bonus.  But the Allies had 450 AV.  The conquest looked to be a sure thing, but adjusted IJ AV was always considerably higher than expected.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 5:36:45 PM   
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Yes, especially if 15th Army was 100% prepped, it would have added materially to his defense.

I concur with Gen. Paullus. I actually rate the odds of a KB raid on Ceylon at 50/50. If he comes any farther, it might be time to try for an exchange with KB IF you have any LBA that can help. If not, we're back to bi-planes versus Zeros and in all likelihood an uneven exchange that deprives you of your masse de decision. Look at me gettin' all Napoleonic!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 8:29:20 PM   
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Do you manually set search arcs for CV TFs for maximum detection in particular sectors or leave them alone perssumably to allow 360^ patterns? I ask because I wonder if there might be blind spots?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 8:46:48 PM   
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Dan,

Some may consider this 'gamey,' but you could fly off your American Devastator TBs and replace with some of your carrier capable Vildebeest and Swordfish. Also, how many of the American CVs have upgraded to Avenger TBs?? Finally, I like to have a Marine fighter group (18 planes) on each American CV until the Wildcats re-size in July 42. You need all the strike power you can muster to go up against KB if you choose to do so.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 9:05:17 PM   
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Two of my carriers have Marine fighter squadrons.  I haven't swapped out any Devastators for Avengers yet - I've just now received enough to swap one and I'm debating whether to use that for Wasp when she arrives in eleven days. 

My current thinking is that I won't switch out Wasp right away.  I would have to do so at Pearl, and I think I might instead send her straight from Balboa to the Pago Pago area.  If Steve continues his predictable, risky runs to that port without carrier air cover, Wasp could be positioned closely enough to use her Devastators. 

Long Island is nearing Christmas Island.  I may use her to shuttle a Marine Wildcat squadron from Pearl to Pago Pago.  Afterwards, she can take on an SBD squadron and join Wasp to create a Mini-Mini-CB (IE:  small, small carrier battalion).

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 9:06:14 PM   
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Do you manually set search arcs for CV TFs for maximum detection in particular sectors or leave them alone perssumably to allow 360^ patterns? I ask because I wonder if there might be blind spots?


I don't think Steve and I are using the Beta patch. If not, search arcs are broken in the version we are using, so I am not setting them. My patrol aircraft seem to be operating efficiently.

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