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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 9:23:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since he has a strong surface force down near Pago Pago, I would strongly consider placing a SC TF there to be followed by your CV TF. When John 3rd was learning AE, I had my American CVs in three TF around G'canal. His BBs and CAs missed my SC TF one hex away and ripped into my CVs. Not a pretty sight.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/28/2011 9:38:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Penscacola/San Fran combat TF is returning to Pago Pago after refueling.  Also, Warspite and Colorado may head there after the Tarawa invsion (they would arrive before Wasp makes it).  I have an AE and an AD at Christmas Island to help with replenishing ammo (in case the battleships are depleted after the invasion).

So, yes, the carriers will work in tandem with the combat ships.

Right now, Hiei, Tone and Mikuma arrive at PP and spend a day or two supressing shore guns while transports unload.  Surely, Steve has to be nervous about this, so I'm not expecting the practice to continue...but it's happened before.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/30/2011 2:37:24 PM   
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Bay of Bengal:  KB has moved south and is near the Nicobars, between Sumatra and Andaman Island.  She may sweep south of Sumatra, or may head back down the Makassar Straits.

Burma:  Allied army retiring from Rangoon in good order.

DEI:  Quiet.

SoPac:  Marine shore guns tore into at least ten transports at Pago Pago.  This is becoming a Vietnam-like tar baby for Steve.

CenPac:  Tarawa invasion TF sighted nine hexes ENE of that base.  I thought I'd be able to get one day closer.  D-Day probably three days away.  I'll scrub the mission if enemy air sorties in strength, but for now the invasion is on.  Tarawa is just a level two airfield, so we'll see what happens tomorrow.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/30/2011 5:49:00 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/30/2011 9:48:28 PM   
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Bay of Bengal:  The KB has disappeared, making it more likely she's cruising the waters south of western Sumatra (I think I would have picked up that mass of ships in the narrow waters of the Makassar Straits).  I've beefed up patrols, repositioned a few picket ships, and sent the shipping south of eastern Sumatra further south and east.

Burma:  Allied retrograde (spin word) movement from Rangoon is going well.

DEI:  Quiet.  Oosthaven airfield to 8.90; Benkolen airfield just went to 7 (I'm stopping it there as I don't want to make a gift of a 9-level field to Steve when he comes calling); Palembag forts to 6.24.

SoPac:  Enemy shipping retired from Pago Pago (temporarily).  Steve has 15 units (30,000 men) there now.  A reinforcing USA RCT is on transports about ten days out.

CenPac:  Enemy patrols all over the Allied ships approaching Tarawa, but no strike aircraft sortie.  My ships are in good position, so the green light is on.  Tomorrow, 8th Marines, a battalion of 9th Marines, and a tank battalion will land.  If I'm lucky, that's enough.  If it looks like more is needed, 32nd Div. will come ashore the following day, but if the first landings show that the base is too strongly held, I'll withdraw 32nd Div.  Float-plane recon from BB Colorado didn't show anything (meaning it was ineffective).  Up at Wake Island, my little decoy force hasn't been sighted and is in the process of circumnavigating the island at close range.

NoPac:  SigInt that 54th Div. is prepping for Paramushiro.  I would like to hold the two islands, though I need at least a month to have the assets in place to give it a shot, but if nothing else I like the idea that the enemy will be marshalling the assets to engage in a large-scale operation up here - thus diverting some assets that might otherwise be used against Sumatra.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/30/2011 10:07:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm. Dan, just as he starts to get that bad feeling about Tarawa he is trying to send KB along the southern coast of Sumatra or towards Ceylon. He may be a bit distracted to be that far in Indian Country. Watch for an opportunity!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/30/2011 10:11:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My carriers are crusiing close to Colombo, where they can get some LRCAP from American fighters (should it prove necessary) while awaiting several dive bomber squadrons to replenish and replace losses.  The carriers should be fully operational in a day or two, so the Allies will give battle if the Japanese dare to venture that far afield.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 12:47:51 AM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 2:45:35 AM   
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This update is based only on the combat report as I haven't viewed the replay yet.

Tarawa: The invasion goes superbly (a rare occurrence with me and atolls). BB Colorado was embedded with the transports and delivered a punishing counter-battery fire that destroyed five squads and disrupted others. Elements of 8th and 9th Marines and the tank unit came ashore - total AV about 145 facing just a Naval Guard unit and base force totaling 55 AV. Adjusted AV for the Japanese dropped to two and the Allies easily took Tarawa.

What's Next at Tarawa: The Allies will land the rest of both regiments, a sea bee unit, and base force, try to extract the tank unit, and try to maximize supply.

What about the Rest of the Invasion Troops: The Allies have 32nd Div. and a combat engineer squad ready to go but not needed. I have a big decision to make: Should I withdraw the TFs to someplace like Christmas or Pearl to begin prepping for a new target? Or, in the total absence of enemy opposition, should the Allies strike at Nauru and Ocean, which are undoubtedly lightly defended? I'm inclined to the latter. Other options I've rejected: Baker Island (troops 100% prepped are already on the way from Pearl, so this isn't necessary) and Mili/etc. to the north (too close to Kwajalein, which I believe is heavily defended).

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 3:02:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I vote Nauru & Ocean. Tarawa is a raid. Three islands is an offensive. Maximize the pain on his OODA loop. Be ready to pull 32nd Div back to Pearl asap though as an LCU that big is wasted on garrisoning little islands.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 4:00:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll wager there are no real troops to speak of at Kwajalein or Roi-Namur. You could get a good-sized anchorage and nice AFs. You would also stand an excellent of destroying an HQ or two plus support ships within the anchorage.

Nauru and Ocean are nice but the other two would SET YOU UP!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 4:16:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not a bad thought. I was operating under the assumption they had defenses and Netties, but if not they are certainly valuable targets.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 5:07:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		A quick set of Recon flights would serve--perhaps--to get an idea. Since they are atolls though that ID Dan is carrying shold have plenty of firepower to get the job done.


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 8:48:47 AM   
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Build a mutually supporting hub.

Its still early gamewise and if KB comes visiting it would be harder to suppress 2 bases.

I would also propose building up a base close to the rear, a  useful fall back or base to rotate aircraft through.

IMHO, Nauru is a little too close to Truk which might see a reaction you cant handle.


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 8:50:51 AM   
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Watching the cricket last night I read through this AAR,

Your opponents actions dont make sense, are you sure he hasnt turned on the AI to fight you?

(Sorry Chez, it doesnt make any sense)


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 11:48:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Be careful of invading Kwaj and Roi-Namur, they only hold 6000 troops max so unlike Tarawa you cannot land all your troops and supply ashore in one turn unless you use specialist APs. Both can hold a couple of Naval Guard units plus base forces with CD guns......you could be looking at 150 AV behind level 5 or 6 forts, nasty.......

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 12:38:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having at least two or three mutually supporting bases that you could quickly build up to hold at least fighters is going to be, at minimum, extremely annoying to your opponent, and best case, extremely dangerous once you can start using them to start offensive actions from - if you have a bit of momentum here, why not try to maximize the usefulness of the troops you have?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 3:06:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		You should secure Tabituea to the south of Tarawa - it has no max troops limit, and can be built up into a decent airfield. That gives you two mutually supportive airfields in the area. You won't need the Division for it though - I say grab Ocean or Nauru, but pull the troops back immediately.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 7/31/2011 3:25:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tabituea is an excellent suggestion. If yo don't go for the throat at Kwajalein/Roi Namur I would go there. You put many more troops there and make it untakeable by your opponent. This would also serve to move you slightly towards Pago Pago which might have benefits as well.


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/1/2011 7:57:28 PM   
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Busy day yesterday, so I didn't run this turn until this morning. 

Tarawa:  Everything looks good here.  The Allies will no bring in support troops including a big USAAF base force and 10th Sea Bees.  All troops at Tarawa are 100% prepped.  5th Marine CD force, also fully prepped, is on the way from San Diego.  I don't think Steve has a major rapid-reaction force available.  He can probably draw some combat ships from Truk, Kwajalein, and/or the TF working the Pago Pago campaign, but he'll have to be cautious because he can't be positive what i have.

Surrounding Islands:  Transports carrying 32nd Div. and 104th Combat Engineers willl continue on to Ocean and Nauru, which I think will be lightly held (no more than an SNLF).  I would like to get in and get out quickly, including re-loading most of any troops landing at those island.  A RCT 100% prepped for Ocean left Pearl a few days ago, so garrison forces are enroute.  Abemama is a vacant dot hex just south of Tarawa, and Tabituea is a small base further south that is still controlled by the Allies.  Engineers and other units are on the way to these bases, though it will take time to get there.  Finally, Baker is held by Japan in strength unknown at this point.  Troops at Pearl have been prepping, so the Allied can back fill to take on this base as soon as empty transports return to Pearl. 

Ultimately:  When all is said and done, the Allies hope/expect to hold Tarawa in strength (two Marine RCT and a Marine CD unit).  Ocean Island, Abemama, and Tabituea will likewise get serious protection, engineers, and base forces.  Baker and Nauru will receive smaller garrisons.

What's Next?  The Allies need to have a well-planned, effective operation ready to go before or while Japan invades Sumatra (to keep the enemy off balance).  One operation under consideration is a major reinforcement of Paramushiro and Onnekotan Jima (mainly to bring in supplies and base forces so that these islands can handle their own defense to some extent.  Another possibility is to reinforce Sumatra and/or Port Blair against the coming storms (however, while these would bloody Japanese moves they don't really count as separate operations that would throw Steve off balance).  I'm going to at least mull over a massive Chinese move into Vietnam (unlikely, but not totally out of the question).  Another option is to strongly reinforce Milne Bay, Port Moresby, Merauke and/or Darwin.  In the Pacific, I don't see any moves at present that really strike my fancy, though I'll be looking over various options.

Bay of Bengal:  KB is parked at Sabang (that's a risky place to put fleet carriers, though I'm not coming for them).

Burma:  Allied troops have successfully withdrawn from Rangoon to Pegu.  Most of these unit will go into strategic mode and report to western Burma, where I will make a stand (unless and until superior numbers threaten) and try to wipe out the single IJ regiment presently retiring from Lashio towards Meiktila.

China:  No big Chinese moves immiinent.  I'm looking carefully at the nine-IJ-division stack at Chengchow, waiting to see if it moves forward or if there is a realistic way to use the 8,500 Chinese AV in a campaign of maneuver and strike when an opportunity presents.

NoPac:  Four IJN cruisers are posted up here (good!):  Ashigara, Mikuma, Haguro and Nachi.  With Tone and Atago down around Fiji/Pago Pago, and with Myoko and Kako previously sunk, that should leave only ten cruisers available in the DEI, and some of those will be committed to carrier TFs.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/1/2011 8:48:05 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/1/2011 8:59:57 PM   
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Dang, Michael, thanks for the timely reminder.  I'm glad I didn't go and get all excited, move 73 units to the border, see the Japanese conduct a massive counteroffensive in the vaccuum left behind in northern China, and then get a gentle reminder from Steve that I have to pay to move restricted units into Vietnam.





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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/1/2011 9:10:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Huh, Sabang - interesting. He must think that he's isolating Sumatra & allowing for reinforcements into Burma to stabilize the situation there.

Of course, since you now know exactly where the KB is, you can safely conduct operations elsewhere. It would be nice to cull out an additional carrier or two, just to further limit his force projection capabilities, but it doesn't feel like to right time to dive head-first into an encounter right now, especially since he still doesn't know exactly where your own carriers are - and you are going to get carrier reinforcements faster (so you can overwhelm him at the right time).

Plus, I'm sure you are planning to ambush his landing forces at the proper time - positioning your carriers so you can hit him, but far enough away so his carriers won't be able to hit yours. This game is a beauty to watch.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/2/2011 5:29:28 AM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/2/2011 3:56:28 PM   
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Tarawa:  The Allies wipe out all resistance and will begin landing a base force today.  The combat TF remains here guarding the bulk of the vulnerable transports, but an amphibious TF carrying about 150 AV of 32nd Div. will arrive at Ocean Island tomorrow.  If that goes well, I may repeat at Nauru the following day.  I don't think these two islands have much.  I also wish I didn't have to mire down elements of 32nd Div., but if the Allies can efficiently occupy the surrounding bases - Ocean, Nauru, Makin, Abemama and Tabituea over the next few days, Japan will have a hard time taking on the complex.  No signs of enemy ships, yet, and I wouldn't expect to see any for a few more days (and Steve may be very cautious not knowing what I have).

SoPac:  Quiet here.  The Japanese LOC from Rabaul to the spear point at Pago Pago is very tenuous now.  With the Allies holding Port Moresby (albeit weakly) and Tarawa, that leaves just a narrow corridor down the Solomons chain to the New Hebrides and on over to Fiji.  Steve may be reluctant to leave Hiei and his cruisers at the tip of the spear.

NoPac:  Some shipping is stirring and I'm wondering if an amphibious force is coming for Onnekotan Jima.  I can't contest anything at the moment as I don't have any big ships present (BB Pennsylvania just left San Franfor Dutch Habor yesterday).

China:  The Chinese are in a temporary state of rest while analyzing the situation.

Burma:  The Allied withdrawal into central and western Burma picks up steam tomorrow as several big units will depart Pegu for Mandalay via strategic mode.

Bay of Bengal:  KB remains at Sabang.  Lots of enemy shipping in the Makassar Straits - could be a big amphibious move on Port Blair.  The Allied carriers will move to a point just NE of Ceylon to see what develops.

DEI:  Singapore airfield just went to level nine and SigInt that 56th Engineers are prepping for Palembang.  This is the first "prepping" report I've received for a base in eastern Sumatra.  I want to minitor this carefully because it may tell me where the main IJ landing will come.  That, in turn, would allow me to shift more troops to that base.  Right now, the Allies have well over 4,000 AV in eastern Sumatra, with 1,600 at Palembang and 1,575 at Oosthaven.  Oosthaven airfield goes to level nine in two days.  Lots of Allied squadrons are scheduled to withraw over the next month - including the AVG unfortunately.  Over on Java, the Japanese are advancing methodically but slowly - 52nd Div. and Imperial Guards just took Tjilitjap.  The Japanese have lots of troops on this undefended island, so nothing's going to happen on Sumatra for at least a month, maybe longer. 

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/2/2011 4:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he's coming for Pt. Blair again (which makes sense as a means for securing his position in Burma & threatening your SLOCs to Sumatra) - what does your defensive position look like?


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/2/2011 5:26:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Port Blair has 200 AV behind three forts (another 60 AV was fast transported to Tavoy at the opening of the Burma campaign, so the garrison isn't as strong as I had hoped.  If Steve employs powerful bombardment runs, he can probably take the island relatively quickly with the equivalent of a division.

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In the meantime, I've been giving further thought to an important question:  What do the Allies do next to disrupte and monkey with Japan?

To this point in the game, the Allies have always had a pretty good idea what was going to happen next and where.  (There have been a few brief periods when I wasn't sure, and I can tell you that I quickly felt very uncomfortable not having a "mission.")  For the past few months, the mission has been (1) destroy units in China; (2) turn Pago Pago into Vietnam, (3) invade Burma, and (4) invade Tarawa. 

China remains an important mission, the Allies will continue monkeying with Japan at Pago Pago, and the Allies will build the Gilberts "complex" large.  But I need something in place to keep Steve off balance and reacting to Allied moves.

I believe the next move might be pre-packaged invasion of Wake Island and Marcus Island.  By pre-packaged I mean have three sets of transports - one bringing assault units, a second being empty to retrieve assault troops not needed for the permanent garrison, and a third being additional "occupation" troops like Sea Bees and CD units.  The idea would be to create defensive traps - both Wake and Marcus are likely to draw major IJ attention eventually, but the Allies can make these operations relatively "sticky," thus exacting a toll and possibly creating temporary vaccuums elsewhere that the Allies can take advantage of.

I have two Allied TFs steaming in cricles around Wake, so I no the island doesn't have patrols.  If Wake doesn't, Marcus most likely doesn't.

I'll need alot of shipping for these two operatons, and right now everything is tied up with Tarawa and Pago Pago.  But I'll begin prepping troops immediately.  These operations could be ready to go in a month or so, and I'd like them to be ready before or during any IJ invasion of Sumatra.

Wake and Marcus aren't hugely important in the game, but they are more important to Japan than the Allies.  Taking them should create some initial worry and, later, a fairly stout commitment of counterinvasion forces.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/2/2011 5:53:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		This used to be one of the most interesting AARs-equal to Greyjoys-but I find it falling behind as you are just completely dismantling the Japanese. I know its probably just the fact that I'm new to the game, and watching from a distance, but it honestly seems almost over. Japan never had its time in the sun, and I feel almost bad for your opponent, who you've outwitted at almost every turn (except Rangoon, and maybe somewhere else?. I don't doubt that he's a good player, but in this particular case its almost as if you're playing Japan, with invasions across the map on multiple fronts in spring 1942 and your opponent struggling to respond. I'm not seeing how he could win, short of a disastrous error on your part, which seems unlikely considering how careful you're being. Its still a fascinating AAR, and I'm sure that the battle for Sumatra will be interesting, but it looks like an Allied victory is almost assured, and sooner rather than later. Sorry for seeming to not enjoy your success, its just that one-sided battles aren't quite as interesting. But, maybe as you speculate, Chez still has something up his sleeve to stay in the game. Congrats on the job well done so far, Canoerebel.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/2/2011 6:19:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had similar comments from a number of players, and I know what you mean.  The Allies have been on a roll and right now the game seems decided.

But from my perspective the game is reaching a fever pitch.  The Allies have gone way out on a limb by creating Fortress Sumatra.  I'm glad I did and I like the set up, but there's a chance that Japan will isolate eastern Sumatra and then take it.  This would be catastrophic to the Allies - not only because it would entail the loss of some 4,500 AV, but also would mean that Allied combat ships (and possibly carriers) got savaged in trying to defend against the landings.

On the other hand, if the Allies win the Battle of Eastern Sumatra, then the game is essentially over.  It might still take a long time to finish off Japan, but the issue would have been emphatically decided long before.  In that event, nobody will be reading this AAR, but I'll still be merrily typing away.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 8/2/2011 6:25:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nah, if you crush the Japanese on the beaches of Sumatra then we'll be trying to goad you into taking risks to 1) keep things interesting, and 2) finish the game up in hopes that you might take up a new opponent and AAR again in the future But, as you said, first you have to hold Sumatra and smash your opponents plans one final time.

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