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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/2/2011 6:15:21 PM   
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Good to see Ron S back on the boards.

Consider that a big para assault will halve your adjusted AV at Padang. Even taking that into account, I think you win. You could take major advantage of isolating Chez' army there, btw.

Finally, I thought GreyJoy renamed the Cocos Islands as "Coconut Island." Please update your map. If you don't have the necessary info, I recently received a nifty calendar in the mail from the Bank of Scoodra I could pass on to you.



Ahahah...yes, Coconut Island..Cocos Island..com'on, they sound the same!!!
Above all "Coconut" seems more realistic...the isle of the Coco Nuts...the nuts of the Coco Tree... it seemed pretty logical to my ear

Scoodra, Coconut...but don't forget Nazareb!!!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/2/2011 7:14:28 PM   
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NoPac: Chenango's F4Fs jump forward to Adak. Tomorrow they go to Attu; the next day to Paru. The Allies should be able to put up about 60 fighters over Para in two days. I hope that will be enough to buy some time to get supply ashore, which in turn will allow ground crews to get some disabled aircraft operational again.

CenPac: All or part of the KB may be retiring to Kwajalein. Ndeni's PBYs took some shots (and missed) at a big TK convoy just a hex or two to the south. If Steve wasn't already aware that the Allies have occupied Ndeni, that should do the trick.

SoPac: BB Washington just arrived at Balboa. I'm inclined to commit her to SoPac.

SWPac: The PM and Milne Bay TFs, carrying engineers, depart Townsville tonight.

DEI: 100 enemy Zero and Oscar fighters tangle with Allied CAP at Padang. Losses were roughly equal at about 23 aircraft. Many squadrons now have a few leading pilots eligible for TRACOM, so pilot quality is pretty good overall. Oost forts went to level eight a day ago. Billiton forts just went to level two. Still getting occasional SigInt that units (mostly small ones, though I'm not sure that means anything) are prepping for Palembang or Oosthaven. But things seem quiet here.

Burma: The Happy Stalemate at Magwe continues.

China: A large Chinese stack moved forward to a hex south of Chengchow and will overwhelm a solo enemy unit (barring a very coincidental move by Japan into the same hex tomorrow).

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/2/2011 8:41:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		catching up here. Just to let you know we had Georgia night on our last thursday night billiards game in the basement bar. We served PBRs and listened to the Allman Bros. Band. I think the concert was the Atlanta Blues Festival right after the Live at the Filmore. Great stuff IMHO.

really enjoying your AAR.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 2:58:21 PM   
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Zulu: "Georgia Night" sounds good to me! But I'm not sure about the PBR. I don't know anybody who drinks PBR in Georgia; in fact, I don't know if anybody anywhere drinks it any more. PBR is kind of like Lucky Strike cigarettes - it seems to have faded into history.

NoPac: Things should heat up tomorrow in NoPac, as the Allies will commit three fighter squadrons coinciding with reinforcement and resupply ships making a run in to Paramushiro Jima. A combat TF of CA Quincy and about seven DDs will provide cover, though life insurance adjusters aren't optimistic about their outlook on life given the likely IJ response to this little adventure. Para is important, but the mission serves a bigger purpose - keeping Japan interested in this theater. Sometimes, giving the enemy some targets is a good way of enticing them to pay attention.

CenPac: Things quieted down considerably today. There's still a large IJ TF east of Tarawa, but I'm not sure whether its carriers or just combat TFs. Tarawa forts may reach level four tomorrow.

SoPac: The IJ troops at Pago Pago must be committing sepuku on a nightly basis. AV has dropped dramatically to about 660. It was about 825 just a week or two back.

SWPac: The two TFs carrying engineers from Townsville to PM and Milne Bay departed yesterday.

DEI: Several big reinforcement convoys are enroute from India to Oosthaven - the first will arrive tonight or tomorrow night. It brings mainly artillery, AA, tank destroyers, and 1 US Amphibious HQ. The Allies are beginning to shift everything forward from India to Sumatra. In part, this is because alot of Indian reinforcements are schedule in the next four to six weeks, meaning that India's defense will still have teeth. Question: 10th US Air HQ and II Fighter Command are currently deployed at Cox's Bazaar and Chittagong to assist with the fight in Burma. I'm thinking it's past time to get those puppies to Sumatra, where the much more important battles will be waged. Is there any reason not to do this?

Burma: Magwe's Happy Stalemate continues.

China: A Chinese army blugeons 12th IJA Division outside Chengchow, causing 7k casualties (140 infantry squads destroyed). That's the second division roughed up in the past three days. The Chinese will continue saber rattling, banging on drums, and clanging pots and pans to see if more prey might be flushed.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 8:14:42 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 8:23:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		And it will not be missed! Long live craft beer!

Your story reminds me about a spring break trip to Mexico (back when you could safely do that). We bought some rotgut called Dos Dedos (Two Fingers) Tequila. It was so bad that not even 19 yr olds in Mexico would touch it. We just threw it away.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 8:44:06 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 8:45:01 PM   
zuluhour


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 8:59:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		PBR is alive and well in the Philly area. Many bars offer it on tap up there. Also, here in the DC area, you'll frequently find it as well...

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 9:28:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd rather have IPAs myself, but minor quibbles aside, that's my kind of fridge, Zulu!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 9:33:26 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 9:36:57 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		I can certainly see what really interests the peanut gallery:  Beer!

I am sure I can generate similar interest in the future by introducing the occasional mention of girls, sports, and favorite regional foods.

Grits, anybody?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 9:43:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Grits are awesome. But most Yankees think white hominy is grits. That's like calling a bun a hamburger. You need lots of butter, enough cheese to make it yellow and bacon. THEN it's grits.


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 11:21:45 PM   
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Grits are awesome. But most Yankees think white hominy is grits. That's like calling a bun a hamburger. You need lots of butter, enough cheese to make it yellow and bacon. THEN it's grits.



The butter makes it yellow brother Texan. The cheese gives it staying power!

Bacon? Yes Sir! It's Texas grits after all. There ain't nothin that aint made a site better than when you add bacon to it. Short of bacon however? That's why Mom (and now I) always have a can of bacon greese on the stove.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/3/2011 11:34:45 PM   
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Grits are awesome. But most Yankees think white hominy is grits. That's like calling a bun a hamburger. You need lots of butter, enough cheese to make it yellow and bacon. THEN it's grits.



"I am not contributing to arteriosclerosis .. I am just making my arteries stronger! Ya ya .. that's the ticket!"

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 12:20:01 AM   
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I am sure I can generate similar interest in the future by introducing the occasional mention of girls, ........................


....the real question is: HOW MUCH NATURAL ARE THESE GIRLS?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 4:27:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Grits are awesome. But most Yankees think white hominy is grits. That's like calling a bun a hamburger. You need lots of butter, enough cheese to make it yellow and bacon. THEN it's grits.



"I am not contributing to arteriosclerosis .. I am just making my arteries stronger! Ya ya .. that's the ticket!"


Grits is usually served with a side of Lipitor.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 5:19:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		About Little Vietnam aka Pago Pago

This interesting little campaign really has been something. Four-plus months ago, Japan invaded, didn't bring enough, brought reinforcements, and then committed as many as two carriers, three BBs, and three CAs to the effort for weeks and months at a time.

When that didn't work, Japan invaded nearby Savaii Island, built the airfield to level three, and took control of the theater so that Allied supply hasn't reached the base in months. The defenders are down to about 50 supply now, from a high of 30,000+.

But the Allied invasion of the Gilberts followed by the building up of Ndeni caught Steve's attention, so all his carriers, battlewagons and cruisers have been sent that way.

Just when it seemed that Japan might be able to do something at PP, her troops began to hemorrage AV. Undoubtedly, this is due to supply problems. So it looks like the Allies may win this campaign having committed, over the past four-plus months, nothing more than CVE Long Island (to shuttle fighters to the base).

Compare the roster of troops for the 8/11/42 and 8/25/42 turns and note that four naval guard units and elements of an engineering unit and base force evaporated:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 11, 42

Ground combat at Pago Pago (148,161)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7837 troops, 298 guns, 150 vehicles, Assault Value = 528

Defending force 20526 troops, 185 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 810

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
762nd Tank Battalion
Samoan Marine Battalion
19th Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
7th Marine Defense Battalion
104th USN Base Force
115th USAAF Base Force
2nd USN Naval Construction Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
8th Marine Defense Battalion
131st Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion
147th Field Artillery Regiment
N Force Detachment
114th USAAF Base Force /1

Defending units:
20th Recon Regiment
62nd Naval Guard Unit
44th Naval Guard Unit
89th Naval Guard Unit
84th Naval Guard Unit
16th Infantry Regiment
43rd Naval Guard Unit
24th Infantry Regiment
63rd Naval Guard Unit
41st Naval Guard Unit
66th Naval Guard Unit
42nd Naval Guard Unit
18th Naval Guard Unit
87th Naval Guard Unit
86th Naval Guard Unit
88th Naval Guard Unit
65th Naval Guard Unit
37th JNAF AF Unit /11
20th Engr Rgt /11

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 25, 42

Ground combat at Pago Pago (148,161)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7832 troops, 298 guns, 150 vehicles, Assault Value = 528

Defending force 16715 troops, 148 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 663

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Samoan Marine Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
19th Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
104th USN Base Force
8th Marine Defense Battalion
N Force Detachment
2nd USN Naval Construction Battalion
115th USAAF Base Force
147th Field Artillery Regiment
148th Field Artillery Battalion
131st Field Artillery Battalion
7th Marine Defense Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion
114th USAAF Base Force /1

Defending units:
18th Naval Guard Unit
16th Infantry Regiment
89th Naval Guard Unit
42nd Naval Guard Unit
44th Naval Guard Unit
86th Naval Guard Unit
66th Naval Guard Unit
24th Infantry Regiment
88th Naval Guard Unit
87th Naval Guard Unit
62nd Naval Guard Unit
20th Recon Regiment
65th Naval Guard Unit

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 6:16:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well done, Dan. You're doing so well we sometimes forget to congratulate you, but even in this little mini-game at PP you've pitched a shutout.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 7:25:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is his problem in that he didnt commit Divisions, 14 Naval Guard Units, and is suffering from these smaller units suffering heavier losses.

(As there aren't amany fragments I assume he isnt evaccing them)


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 10:29:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		There should be a lot of islands in the Solomons that are much easier to take with that many naval Guard units at Pago Nam. But then I forget that you might not even need to hit the Solomons as you can just go right to Borneo!

Nice work.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 10:47:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Early action in China may have forced Chaz to commit several divisions (which we just haven't seen yet) in a more defensive posture. There is still a lot of Japanese ground power not accounted for at this time - but no obvious signs of where it is going to be committed - very interesting situation. I don't think Chaz has gone turtle, but his lack of decisive action in areas where he does commit his naval forces (NORPAC & CENPAC are the two obvious spots, besides Pago-Pago) doesn't lead to believe any sort of decisive stroke is in the offering anytime soon.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 11:28:27 AM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 11:49:21 AM   
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He might be building a Maginot Line in the Marianas and Phillipines?



too early for that...CR, if he manages to succeed in his DEI early campaign will be able to bypass completely the PI and the Mariannas and land his US forces in southern China to join the chinese army...

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 3:21:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Steve is keeping most of his divisions hidden.  There are two at Padang, two at Magwe, and I believe he scrambled to get more to China after the Chinese spring offensive beat up so many IJA divisions.

The Allied "worst case scenario" worries about a major IJ invasion somewhere critical are fading as we near September and as the KB remains committed in a theater of no strategic importance.  Here's how I rate the main IJ strategic objectives at this point:

India:  Safe.  Can't be invaded without the KB.  Moreover, autumn reinforcements, good forts, plenty of air power, and good buffer (Port Blair and upper Burma) mean nothing's going to happen here.  The Allies are already stripping the sub-continent and moving troops forward to Sumatra and Burma. 

Oz:  Oz is still vulnerable.  No reinforcements have been sent here, but I rate the chances of a continent-threatening invasion, which is the only thing that might worry me (NW Oz or NE Oz wouldn't be a concern), as very low.  In the event a 15-division invasion were to hit Townsville or Brisbane or Geelong at this very late date, the Allies would counter by ramping up pressure elsewhere.  IE, Oz will continue to stand on its own.  P.S. The Allied carriers aren't that far away if they were really needed.

Hawaii:  Who cares?  Hawaii is of far less importance than the DEI, so I'd welcome a major Japanese operation there.

New Zealand/Aleutians/Anywhere Else in the Pacific:  See Hawaii.

China:  The Chinese have done a good job mauling about eight to ten IJA divisions over the past four months.  With a good MLR in place and troops that now have decent experience levels, I believe China can handle anything except a 100% commitment of power here.  If that were to happen, the Allies would simply increase pressure in NoPac and the DEI.

Russia:  I don't expect a move on Russia and can't do anything else about it anyhow.  The Russians have been building forts and training since the first week of the war, so they are as ready as they can be.  But Steve seems to be a "simulator" rather than a "gamer," so I just don't think it's in his DNA to do something this off-the-wall.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 4:23:01 PM   
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About Little Vietnam aka Pago Pago

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Am I understanding right that your guys are now down to 50 supply?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 5:37:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just double-checked.  PP has 113 supply.  All units are currently fully supplied, but that will change rapidly now.  I'm not worried about it for these reasons:

1)  The Japanese army at PP is in complete disarray, shedding AV daily.  I believe the Japanese troops are low on supply or out of supply.

2)  A Japanese attack now would fail - AVs are similar and the Allies are behind four forts.

3)  Japan hasn't tried to reinforce or resupply in more than a month.  Allied CD guns were too tough.

4)  The Allies have about ten supply xAKs just east of Pago Pago in dispersed and small TFs.  I'm trying to get some fighter cover to PP's airfield in hopes that I can land some supply.

5)  Most importantly, though, I get the distinct feeling that Steve has "mentally given up" on PP and has turned all his hopes and efforts towards the Gilberts.  I think his plan is to allow his base at Savaii Island to "cauterize" PP - make it impossble or difficult for the Allies to make gainful use of the base.  This, in turn, suits me fine.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 7:15:27 PM   
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NoPac:  The operation to resupply and reinforce Paramushiro begins tomorrow.  A host of transports are just to the east and northeast.  No detection levels showing, but it seems impossible that Steve hasn't been monitoring the obvious approach vectors for Allied shipping.  Two PT-boat TFs will arrive tonight, as will the CA Quincy TF and a DM minelaying TF.  Air cover will be provided by 40 fighters, with 20 more set to arrive the day after tomorrow.

CenPac:  CA Ashigara leads a TF that bombards Baker Island in a show of muscle that just doesn't mean anything.  Carrier air sinks a lone xAK at Tabituea.

SoPac:  In two days, the Allies will be able to put up 25 fighters to CAP Pago Pago, so we'll see if some supply ships can make the run and gets some goodies ashore before getting obliterated.

SwPac:  The two TFs carrying engineers to PM and Milne will arrive tonight.  Two Kittyhawk squadrons staged forward from Cairns to PM to provide CAP.  The ships don't report detection levels.  The Allies hope to evade attention.

DEI:  More IJ troops are moving toward Sibolga overland, but the size and nature of this threat hasn't been ascertained yet.  Recon and bombers will try to sniff out the units tomorrow.  No matter what, any units taking the overland yellow road system are weeks away from Padang.  A Glen has been snooping around Cocos Island for better than a week now.

Burma:  The Happy Stalement at Magwe continues.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 7:29:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		CR, how big is your port at Pago and do you have one of those port service units there? How you can get some fiddles to the chaps there. They have put up a heck of a fight.

Watch the chow lines at Pago as the LYBs are fond of coming out of the hills and standing in the chow lines with our guys. A co worker of mine was a Sea Bee on Biak Is in the Pacific. The starving Japanese soldiers would frequently do just that. The Allies had to post armed men near the chow lines to keep them at bay. Kind of comical until I learned that he actually shot several of them doing that.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 11/4/2011 8:01:34 PM   
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8/25/42
 

SoPac:  In two days, the Allies will be able to put up 25 fighters to CAP Pago Pago, so we'll see if some supply ships can make the run and gets some goodies ashore before getting obliterated.



Be wary of your bombardments using up all the base's supply before the ships arrive. IIRC the fighters need supply to fly and repair.

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