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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 3:16:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		By throwing everything at the Allies in the DEI, Japan can certainly wreak some havoc and slow the Allied advance to a crawl.  It's still 1942 and the Allies need some time to marshal the forces that could go head-to-head with the full might of the Japanese military.  I'm aware that it is still within Steve's power to control stymie the Allied advance for quite some time.

Why, then, am I looking to November 1 as a date important enough to approach Steve about continuing the game?  Several reasons:

1.  The Allied bases in the Kuriles are potentially lethal to Japan.  Right now, those bases are vulnerable, exposed, and relatively weakly garrisoned.  Steve has had it within his power to counterinvade and take these islands ever since the invasions took place in March 1942.  If he fails to act by November 1, winter sets in.  Under cover of adverse winter weather, the Allies will almost certainly be able to reinforce strongly, bringing in tons of supply, and building forts, airfield and port to maximum levels.  Steve won't be able to counterinvade by the time winter ends.  That leaves a dagger at his throat, forcing him to commit alot more ships, planes and men to defend Hokkaido and Sikhalin Island lest the Allies pull a GreyJoy.  Put it this way - he's spent seven months with carriers, battleships, cruisers, and lots of aircraft committed to a region that he really shouldn't have had to defend in strength at all.  It's a peril and committment that's just totally unnecessary.

2. While Steve can stymie Allied expansion in the DEI for quite some time by fully committing forces, he can no longer take the eastern Sumatra bases.  Even Billiton Island and the two Bangka Island bases are almost beyond his reach now.  Ketapang and Pontianak will be too strong within two weeks.  And Singkawang will probably fall within a month if he continues to hold to his current course.  If the Allies can take the latter base and then build out the airfields at Sing, Keta, and Ponti, the game ends.  Western Sumatra, Burma, Singapore, Miri, Brunei, Balikpan, Batavia fall within easy range of Allied bombers, Japanese shipping is vulnerable, and the already low sources of oil become even more meager.

3.  There has been a consistent pattern of neglect:  failure to seize key unoccupied bases all over the place, but especially in the DEI (thus allowing the Allies to easily occupy and build Ndeni, Milne Bay, Pontianak, Ketapang, Billiton, Toboali, and Muntok, with other bases to follow); getting multiple divisions truly cut off and isolated in Sumatra and Burma; and allowing ten divisions to be mauled piecemeal, one or two at a time, in China over the course of six months.

Steve is a good sport and I think he's certainly capable of playing the game well.  I just think the overall pattern shows that his heart and mind aren't in this game.  A failure to invade the Kuriles in the next seven days would be proof positive in my book.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 3:48:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Surprised you metioned Merak. Do you really want to get into a protracted battle fro Java? Seems to me it would be better to just bypass the Japanese units there and create the world's largest POW camp there.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 3:59:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Merak is lightly held right now.  I have no doubt the Allies could take it if I had the troops in place.  Once taken, I don't think Japan can retake it given the proximity of the huge Allied airfields at Oosthaven, etc.  The advantage of taking Merak is that it secures the Sunda Straights, the critical passage that allows the Allies to move from Oosthaven into the Java Sea.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 4:09:55 PM   
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Merak is lightly held right now.  I have no doubt the Allies could take it if I had the troops in place.  Once taken, I don't think Japan can retake it given the proximity of the huge Allied airfields at Oosthaven, etc.  The advantage of taking Merak is that it secures the Sunda Straights, the critical passage that allows the Allies to move from Oosthaven into the Java Sea.


My concern is that it could become the giant sucking sound that eats up all your forward momentum. Its not like he can just jump the Strait from Merak to Oosthaven. You could probably land and take Merak quite quickly. Chez could then rail in a huge force to Batavia and force you to divert you LBA to protect the beachhead or withdraw. So, my thinking is unless you have intentions to make a full force assault on Java, best to just leave it alone

JOMHO.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 4:13:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has surprised me to this point that the Allies haven't needed Merak.  Allied access to the Java Sea through the Sunda Straight has been unimpeded.  So Merak hasn't been a priority.  But I keep worrying that something might happen to change the equation.

I can tell you this, though. A strong Allied lodgement in Merak would probably draw far more attention from Japan than the Allies would need to commit.  IE, I think it would prove more of a distraction to Japan than the Allies.  If Japan were to mount a huge campaign for the base, the Allies would in all likelihood shrug and use the diversion to advance elsewhere.  :)

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 6:57:39 PM   
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It has surprised me to this point that the Allies haven't needed Merak.  Allied access to the Java Sea through the Sunda Straight has been unimpeded.  So Merak hasn't been a priority.  But I keep worrying that something might happen to change the equation.

I can tell you this, though. A strong Allied lodgement in Merak would probably draw far more attention from Japan than the Allies would need to commit.  IE, I think it would prove more of a distraction to Japan than the Allies.  If Japan were to mount a huge campaign for the base, the Allies would in all likelihood shrug and use the diversion to advance elsewhere.  :)


Once again this seems to have descended into a Vicini/Man in Black-esque dialog. (truly, you intellect is amazing) I suppose you've built up immunity to iocane powder also

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 7:03:50 PM   
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The Princess Bride has taken on legendary status in my family.  We heard about the movie for years.  Everybody - included beloved family members who have impeccable taste - loves it.  Finally, my family of five (dad, mom, three children who then ranged in age from about 14 to about 8) sat down to watch it.  All five of us hated it.  Nobody believed us.  So we started a tradition of asking everybody we met, "Do you like Princess Bride"?  Over the years, we've only found about three or four other folks that feel the same way about it that we do.  It was so refreshing to find these few, and they were so much like us in temperment, that we felt like adopting them.


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 7:54:44 PM   
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The Princess Bride has taken on legendary status in my family.  We heard about the movie for years.  Everybody - included beloved family members who have impeccable taste - loves it.  Finally, my family of five (dad, mom, three children who then ranged in age from about 14 to about 8) sat down to watch it.  All five of us hated it.  Nobody believed us.  So we started a tradition of asking everybody we met, "Do you like Princess Bride"?  Over the years, we've only found about three or four other folks that feel the same way about it that we do.  It was so refreshing to find these few, and they were so much like us in temperment, that we felt like adopting them.




Wha,wha, what???? BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!! You prolly like The Movie Who's Name Shall Not Be Mentioned. I can't even talk to you right now.

(Unless.......would you happen to have six fingers on yor right hand?)

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 7:55:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dan, I share your enthusiasm, another creepy similarity between us.

BTW, aren't you supposed to AVOID a land war in Asia?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:05:50 PM   
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The Princess Bride has taken on legendary status in my family.  We heard about the movie for years.  Everybody - included beloved family members who have impeccable taste - loves it.  Finally, my family of five (dad, mom, three children who then ranged in age from about 14 to about 8) sat down to watch it.  All five of us hated it.  Nobody believed us.  So we started a tradition of asking everybody we met, "Do you like Princess Bride"?  Over the years, we've only found about three or four other folks that feel the same way about it that we do.  It was so refreshing to find these few, and they were so much like us in temperment, that we felt like adopting them.



(Sniff...) I knew ye were a kindred spirit, ye Rebel Allied dog ye.

Wife LOVES Princess Bride. Quotes all manner of passages, has latest digital media version thereof, fawns over it with her friends. Early in our courtship, I was (forced?) "voluntarily" subjected to it. Being of honest and noble stock, I told her that I hated the movie afterwards.

In hindsight, such pure and clear honesty may not have been the most politic approach, considering the yoke of courtship that I was pulling. Then GF unit (now Wife Unit Mark 1, mod 0) suggested that I may have just been in a bad mood when I saw it and that I needed to see it again. I was (forced?) "voluntarily" subjected myself to it a second time. I told her that it still sucked.

We've moved on, have two lovely children and a happy life together. Much like politics (I'm a Republican, she's a Democrat), we try not to focus on those things in our lives that stoke conflict. The Princess Bride is one of those things that we have agreed to move past and get behind us for the sake of our marriage.

But the movie does blow chunks.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chickenboy you disappoint me. Upon further reflection, I realized it was a reach that our knuckle-dragging friend from south of the Mason-Dixon Line would be able to appreciate fine art. But to have a fellow Yankee and professional collegue join in the denigration of one of the finest movies released in the last week of September of 1987, I SMH.

Ok, so its not a thetrical masterpiece, but it is one of the most quotable movies ever produced.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:13:59 PM   
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Love your replies, gents!  Cribtop and I were separated at birth.  And I've always felt a particular comradeship with PoultryLad and the Moose even though they are mired down in Glacier Country.  (I wonder what Bullwinkle thinks of the movie?  I bet John III loves it.  What about Miller?  How about Nemo?  And, gracious, GreyJoy????)

Vettim, I watched the movie enough that I can quote some lines.  I even like a few of the lines.  It's just the movie I hate.  Go figure!  (But I hate TMTSNBM far, far more than I hate The Princess Bride.  The latter I can ignore.  The former I would gladly serve on an execution squad to take out the producer, the director, and the two idiot American pilot actors.)

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:16:03 PM   
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Chickenboy you disappoint me. Upon further reflection, I realized it was a reach that our knuckle-dragging friend from south of the Mason-Dixon Line would be able to appreciate fine art. But to have a fellow Yankee and professional collegue join in the denigration of one of the finest movies released in the last week of September of 1987, I SMH.

Ok, so its not a thetrical masterpiece, but it is one of the most quotable movies ever produced.

Dude...I ain't no Yankee! I'm a Californian. Insanity explained...

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:21:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Upon reflection I realized I probable don't really like the movie as much as I

A. Like certain characters (Fezzig and Inigo)

B. Like certain scenes (The show down between Vicini and The Man and Black and the Miracle Max scene)

Like I said, one of the best movies released in the last week of September 1987.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:33:09 PM   
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Chickenboy you disappoint me. Upon further reflection, I realized it was a reach that our knuckle-dragging friend from south of the Mason-Dixon Line would be able to appreciate fine art. But to have a fellow Yankee and professional collegue join in the denigration of one of the finest movies released in the last week of September of 1987, I SMH.

Ok, so its not a thetrical masterpiece, but it is one of the most quotable movies ever produced.

Dude...I ain't no Yankee! I'm a Californian. Insanity explained...


Berkley Grad? (That would explain a lot )

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:35:51 PM   
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The Princess Bride has taken on legendary status in my family.  We heard about the movie for years.  Everybody - included beloved family members who have impeccable taste - loves it.  Finally, my family of five (dad, mom, three children who then ranged in age from about 14 to about 8) sat down to watch it.  All five of us hated it.  Nobody believed us.  So we started a tradition of asking everybody we met, "Do you like Princess Bride"?  Over the years, we've only found about three or four other folks that feel the same way about it that we do.  It was so refreshing to find these few, and they were so much like us in temperment, that we felt like adopting them.





I had a similar experience with the woman I almost married 25 years ago. For much of my youth I was constantly quoting Monty Python and the Holy Grail. She asked me one day where I got all those silly sayings from so I rented the movie and she absolutely hated it.............go figure......

The key qualifying phrase in the story above is "I almost married" ......


btw: I'm HUGE Princss Bride fan as well...............I can remember when Inigo Montoya was one of the most used character names in MMORPGs

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 8:57:15 PM   
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Chickenboy you disappoint me. Upon further reflection, I realized it was a reach that our knuckle-dragging friend from south of the Mason-Dixon Line would be able to appreciate fine art. But to have a fellow Yankee and professional collegue join in the denigration of one of the finest movies released in the last week of September of 1987, I SMH.

Ok, so its not a thetrical masterpiece, but it is one of the most quotable movies ever produced.

Dude...I ain't no Yankee! I'm a Californian. Insanity explained...


Berkley Grad? (That would explain a lot )

You Misspelled "Davis".

Tim: You know what a Buckeye is, doncha? It's a large, worthless somewhat hairy nut. Hard external shell-pretty 'thick', no redeeming commercial features.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 9:00:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a teacher of film, I can understand why someone would find The Princess Bride badly made. But it's a MASTERPIECE of cult film material. The kind of film you can't help but quote, because it's simply so ridiculous. And how can you not love a film with Andre the Giant, may he rest in peace?

He didn't take Paramushiro before Nov 1st? INCONCEIVABLE!!

(You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means).

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 9:07:41 PM   
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Tim: You know what a Buckeye is, doncha? It's a large, worthless somewhat hairy nut. Hard external shell-pretty 'thick', no redeeming commercial features.


We proudly embrace our nutiness. That said we are truly unique. I beleive we are the only major college program using the Buckeye for our school mascot. Just think of us as your odd uncle: eccentric, a bit nutty but you can't help but like him.

As to the lack of commercial value, here is where the genius of Ohioans escapes you. You have a state filled with these trees that produce an inedible, somewhat toxic fruit. No moentary valaue attached. So what do you do? You make said nut the school mascot of the lead university in the state. Suddenly there is a huge market for the "worthless" nuts for fan apparel, jewelry, etc. See? Pure genius!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 9:35:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thankfully she who must be obeyed has not been exposed to The Princess Bride. I plan to keep it that way.

I've never seen the movie, only clips, and I must admit I don't see the fuss. Love Monty Python and most things iconoclastic and not hewing to societal norms but Princess Bride just leaves me cold whenever I've seen a clip.

With that said I actually really like Legally Blonde after a mate and I went to the cinema, had missed the movie we wanted to see and figured we'd go to "the next movie on", not knowing anything about it. We went in while the lights were down and the movie was just starting, actually found it quite funny and at the end realised we were the only guys there who weren't part of a couple --- although we're fairly sure that everyone else there figured we were our own couple . We both quite enjoyed that movie ( and our usual fare was various horror movies like the Puppetmaster series etc ) so what the hell do I know?

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 10:16:12 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 10:25:28 PM   
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That said we are truly unique. I beleive we are the only major college program using the Buckeye for our school mascot.


Hmmm...you may have a point. In the same way that UC Santa Cruz's mascot is the Banana Slug. I believe that they are the only major college program using the banana slug for their school mascot...

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 10:54:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		We use a big steer. Two advantages - First, it's the largest mascot by weight (second place is the CU Buffalo, then the Baylor Bear), so the whole "Bigger and Better in Texas" is met in accordance with the prophesies. Second, we can always have a brisket after the game. I suppose we should really use an Oil well or something, but the UT campus does have Santa Rita No 1, the first well that began the accretion of vast wealth to UT, prominently displayed on campus. We used some of that wealth to create Godzillatron, at the time the largest big screen on Earth, at our football stadium. Then Jerry Jones outdid UT with the big screen at Jerry World. Not that we take football seriously or anything.

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 10:57:24 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/24/2012 11:05:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alabama's Elephant is a 155 pound guy in a 45 pound Elephant suit. Not even close.

That said, the psychic power of Alabama is extraordinarily great. That defense could stop the Red Army circa 1978. As our local sports columnist recently said "It's an SEC world. We just live in it."

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/25/2012 8:04:23 AM   
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Alabama's Elephant is a 155 pound guy in a 45 pound Elephant suit. Not even close.

That said, the psychic power of Alabama is extraordinarily great. That defense could stop the Red Army circa 1978. As our local sports columnist recently said "It's an SEC world. We just live in it."


That columnist is a smart man...


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/25/2012 2:58:11 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/25/2012 4:38:06 PM   
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/25/2012 4:47:13 PM   
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It has surprised me to this point that the Allies haven't needed Merak.  Allied access to the Java Sea through the Sunda Straight has been unimpeded.  So Merak hasn't been a priority.  But I keep worrying that something might happen to change the equation.

I can tell you this, though. A strong Allied lodgement in Merak would probably draw far more attention from Japan than the Allies would need to commit.  IE, I think it would prove more of a distraction to Japan than the Allies.  If Japan were to mount a huge campaign for the base, the Allies would in all likelihood shrug and use the diversion to advance elsewhere.  :)


Take it. You need the strait to lunge further into the DEI.


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RE: Das darf nicht var sein! - 1/25/2012 4:57:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Georgia opens with Missouri this year.  That would be fine as an unusual intersectional matchup that doesn't occur often...except it won't be unusual any more since Mizzou is in the SEC now.  That should not be!  I feel badly for the Mizzou folks, who should be getting their fill playing teams like Kansas, Iowa, Arkansas, Illinois and the like...not Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss every year.  Arg!

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