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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 11:46:02 AM

DBeves

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: DBeves

Well - I take this all on board.

Cant say anything even in this thread has made me feel better about the game as there seems to be a consensus even from different sides of the fence it is in fact broken - at least as far as the GC goes - which is in fact all I am interested in. The seeming lack of any official input into the argument doesnt augur well for it being fixed anytime soon either.

Still, had a couple of friends who were going to buy but I told them to hold off - at least I know I can tell them to wait a couple of years for the field marshal edition and keep them as friends!

I will repeat what I wrote previously in one other similar thread - there is great 1942-1945 campaign if anyone feels / thinks that Barbarossa (i.e. 1st winter) rules are currently too adverse!

WitE is great fun to play and enjoy with plethora of scenarios (big and small)!

Leo "Apollo11"

Yes thanks Apollo ... Not that I am interested in starting a game in 1942 I guess that would be a solution for some but it is something I am just not interested in doing.

What I did wonder when I first posted this is whether there were those who argued against there being an issue with the first winter rules ? It seems to me there isnt ?

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 3:02:42 PM

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I see a lot of people managed to change their avatars. I am trying to change mine (about time I get a GF, and the current pic might scare them away, if you know what I mean) since december but I can't. I get an error. So I'm stuck with the somewhat "special" guy I was told the error was on the server's side. Perhaps someone does not want me to [finally!] get a nice GF

Erm...if they are trolling this board for dates.....

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 3:23:47 PM

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Anyone who plays WITP-AE knows that it took a LONG time, about 5 years and a brand-new release, to get it sorta right. That didn't mean it wasn't fun to play all along, it just meant we kept sharing data, etc, to get things more historical or more playable or both. That is a fact of life with a complex gaming engine, like that one, or WITE.

First, Kudos to Q-Ball!

Now all of this fire and brimstone has been amusing to me because I lived through (and enjoyed) the complete WitP/WitP AE experience. It has a steep AND long learning curve and like WitE it was (is) an extremely complex game whose complexities lie in layer upon layer of complex tactics/strategy options.

I well remember the first months of the game as people first mastered the AI and then Japanese players began to demolish Allied players with even greater ease. There were howls of anguish that the Japanese were over-powered and that the game was so horribly unbalanced that no one could win as the Allies; there was even a quite vocal minority that hinted that the developers were secret Japanese militarists who were attempting revenge for WWII

. Fortunately the devs just waited patiently.

Then people began to to understand how to play as the Allies. Now the howls of anguish were heard from the other side (but frequently from the same people, very strange) that the Japanese had no chance to win the war (what an novel idea

). The "solution" was a series of user mods that boosted the Japanese and balanced the game.

Then came WitP-AE with even more layers of complexity. So we went through the same sequence again but this time quite a bit faster and the balancing mods were "official" scenarios.

Now the point I am trying to make is that I still feel that it is premature to run around in circles screaming that the game is broken when people (and I definitely DO include the devs under "people) don't yet have enough experience with the game to wring out the best performance from the model, especially with the multitude of tactical/strategic variations that human players just naturally develop.

With that said, I will note that WitP balance was easily adjusted with scenario mods (the adjustments were easy, verifying that they did what they claimed took literally years). While WitE can be easily moded, the "First Winter" effects are in code and today requires a "one size fits all" type of change. I would love to see a change to the game options to include a slider that nerfs all the "First Winter" effects by 0%-50% so PBEM players could select their personal level of comfort for a human/human game

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 3:36:59 PM

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Calm down. I am not "king of the forums".

You were till you changed the avatar.

Bring back the old avator!

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We miss her

LOL

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 3:44:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: pompack

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Anyone who plays WITP-AE knows that it took a LONG time, about 5 years and a brand-new release, to get it sorta right. That didn't mean it wasn't fun to play all along, it just meant we kept sharing data, etc, to get things more historical or more playable or both. That is a fact of life with a complex gaming engine, like that one, or WITE.

First, Kudos to Q-Ball!

Now all of this fire and brimstone has been amusing to me because I lived through (and enjoyed) the complete WitP/WitP AE experience. It has a steep AND long learning curve and like WitE it was (is) an extremely complex game whose complexities lie in layer upon layer of complex tactics/strategy options.

I well remember the first months of the game as people first mastered the AI and then Japanese players began to demolish Allied players with even greater ease. There were howls of anguish that the Japanese were over-powered and that the game was so horribly unbalanced that no one could win as the Allies; there was even a quite vocal minority that hinted that the developers were secret Japanese militarists who were attempting revenge for WWII . Fortunately the devs just waited patiently.

Then people began to to understand how to play as the Allies. Now the howls of anguish were heard from the other side (but frequently from the same people, very strange) that the Japanese had no chance to win the war (what an novel idea ). The "solution" was a series of user mods that boosted the Japanese and balanced the game.

Then came WitP-AE with even more layers of complexity. So we went through the same sequence again but this time quite a bit faster and the balancing mods were "official" scenarios.

Now the point I am trying to make is that I still feel that it is premature to run around in circles screaming that the game is broken when people (and I definitely DO include the devs under "people) don't yet have enough experience with the game to wring out the best performance from the model, especially with the multitude of tactical/strategic variations that human players just naturally develop.

With that said, I will note that WitP balance was easily adjusted with scenario mods (the adjustments were easy, verifying that they did what they claimed took literally years). While WitE can be easily moded, the "First Winter" effects are in code and today requires a "one size fits all" type of change. I would love to see a change to the game options to include a slider that nerfs all the "First Winter" effects by 0%-50% so PBEM players could select their personal level of comfort for a human/human game

Well, what would be nice - given the sheer amount of posting on this issue and how it in effect seems to break the game - is some kind of official response as to what - but more importantly if - they intend to do about it. given the number of posts - I find it only less surprising that they havent than an issue of this size and impact was not picked up in testing. I understand what you say about the complexity of the engine but surely someone played through the first winter in beta testing ? What concerns me if it was noticed is that the designers said no to changing it for reasons that are conspicuous byt their absence at the moment. I mean seriously - there are hundreds of posts on this and no one from 2 by 3 has seen fit to say so much as a we are looking at it comment. It seems to me this is something that should be quite easy to change.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 4:51:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: DBeves

quote:

ORIGINAL: pompack

quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Anyone who plays WITP-AE knows that it took a LONG time, about 5 years and a brand-new release, to get it sorta right. That didn't mean it wasn't fun to play all along, it just meant we kept sharing data, etc, to get things more historical or more playable or both. That is a fact of life with a complex gaming engine, like that one, or WITE.

First, Kudos to Q-Ball!

Now all of this fire and brimstone has been amusing to me because I lived through (and enjoyed) the complete WitP/WitP AE experience. It has a steep AND long learning curve and like WitE it was (is) an extremely complex game whose complexities lie in layer upon layer of complex tactics/strategy options.

I well remember the first months of the game as people first mastered the AI and then Japanese players began to demolish Allied players with even greater ease. There were howls of anguish that the Japanese were over-powered and that the game was so horribly unbalanced that no one could win as the Allies; there was even a quite vocal minority that hinted that the developers were secret Japanese militarists who were attempting revenge for WWII . Fortunately the devs just waited patiently.

Then people began to to understand how to play as the Allies. Now the howls of anguish were heard from the other side (but frequently from the same people, very strange) that the Japanese had no chance to win the war (what an novel idea ). The "solution" was a series of user mods that boosted the Japanese and balanced the game.

Then came WitP-AE with even more layers of complexity. So we went through the same sequence again but this time quite a bit faster and the balancing mods were "official" scenarios.

Now the point I am trying to make is that I still feel that it is premature to run around in circles screaming that the game is broken when people (and I definitely DO include the devs under "people) don't yet have enough experience with the game to wring out the best performance from the model, especially with the multitude of tactical/strategic variations that human players just naturally develop.

With that said, I will note that WitP balance was easily adjusted with scenario mods (the adjustments were easy, verifying that they did what they claimed took literally years). While WitE can be easily moded, the "First Winter" effects are in code and today requires a "one size fits all" type of change. I would love to see a change to the game options to include a slider that nerfs all the "First Winter" effects by 0%-50% so PBEM players could select their personal level of comfort for a human/human game

Well, what would be nice - given the sheer amount of posting on this issue and how it in effect seems to break the game - is some kind of official response as to what - but more importantly if - they intend to do about it. given the number of posts - I find it only less surprising that they havent than an issue of this size and impact was not picked up in testing. I understand what you say about the complexity of the engine but surely someone played through the first winter in beta testing ? What concerns me if it was noticed is that the designers said no to changing it for reasons that are conspicuous byt their absence at the moment. I mean seriously - there are hundreds of posts on this and no one from 2 by 3 has seen fit to say so much as a we are looking at it comment. It seems to me this is something that should be quite easy to change.

Well, at the risk of repeating myself: I think it is somewhat premature to make balance changes in response to a lot of people's perceived problems before people really learn how to play the game.

As to your comment: You certainly believe it to be true but I do not. Joel has made numerous posts explaining how they are looking into the issue and even incorporated a balance change into Beta 6 (which I disagree with but he's the 2x3 spokesman).

Now as to why it was not picked up in testing: As the key test people have stated over and over and over again, it was not seen to be a problem because those people were able to survive the winter both against the AI and human/human. Now also at the risk of repeating myself yet again, it is clear that these people are ALSO still learning how to play the game; there are Russian strategies that they did not try and one of those strategies (a deep Robinovski with sacrifice blocking) CAN result in insufficient Russian casualties (talk to Q-Ball) which really, really hurts during the winter. To repeat myself yet again, it will be a long time before all the major stratagies are tested with a competent, experienced human on each side (but not as long as WitP because you can finish WitE in less than a year).

End of rant

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 5:02:16 PM

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As to your comment: You certainly believe it to be true but I do not. Joel has made numerous posts explaining how they are looking into the issue and even incorporated a balance change into Beta 6 (which I disagree with but he's the 2x3 spokesman).

Now as to why it was not picked up in testing: As the key test people have stated over and over and over again, it was not seen to be a problem because those people were able to survive the winter both against the AI and human/human. Now also at the risk of repeating myself yet again, it is clear that these people are ALSO still learning how to play the game; there are Russian strategies that they did not try and one of those strategies (a deep Robinovski with sacrifice blocking) CAN result in insufficient Russian casualties (talk to Q-Ball) which really, really hurts during the winter. To repeat myself yet again, it will be a long time before all the major stratagies are tested with a competent, experienced human on each side (but not as long as WitP because you can finish WitE in less than a year).

Sorry - not seen any posts from joel about winter. What was the change in beta 6 ? I looked at the change list and there doesnt seem to be anything related to first winter ?

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 5:15:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: DBeves

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As to your comment: You certainly believe it to be true but I do not. Joel has made numerous posts explaining how they are looking into the issue and even incorporated a balance change into Beta 6 (which I disagree with but he's the 2x3 spokesman).

Now as to why it was not picked up in testing: As the key test people have stated over and over and over again, it was not seen to be a problem because those people were able to survive the winter both against the AI and human/human. Now also at the risk of repeating myself yet again, it is clear that these people are ALSO still learning how to play the game; there are Russian strategies that they did not try and one of those strategies (a deep Robinovski with sacrifice blocking) CAN result in insufficient Russian casualties (talk to Q-Ball) which really, really hurts during the winter. To repeat myself yet again, it will be a long time before all the major stratagies are tested with a competent, experienced human on each side (but not as long as WitP because you can finish WitE in less than a year).

Sorry - not seen any posts from joel about winter. What was the change in beta 6 ? I looked at the change list and there doesnt seem to be anything related to first winter ?

The increase in cost for armaments production which makes it much more difficult for the Russians to build up to strength by Winter. Of course it also makes it far harder for the Germans, especially in the mid and late war but at least for the first year it seems to favor the Germans.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 6:47:08 PM

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Well,
honestly some bugs are real killers.
i mean, you play 1 or 1,5 real time years against another human just to find out that your pilots vanish and his pilots vanish too and you can�t do a thing against.... such "mistakes" are no mistakes but game-killers. This pilot bug stopped another pbem for me.

In witp ae i just wait until someone solve this problems by
a.) telling the facts (how many pilots and planes for both sides can the game handle - is it broken if you do "no withdraw" (i belive so)?
b.) solve the problem

All other aspects are doable - but not the pilot bug.

The pilot bug in witp ae is the blizzard-bug (i call it this way) in wite.

Main problem is, nobody knows a good solution cause it is hardcoded and doing something can and will cause serious problems at another part of the game. That is frustrating - but here i wait until i buy the game. Witp and witp ae are great games, but i have not so much time to find out that a gamekiller is in it

to be fair : we had 1,5 years fun - so the game was worth any cent or euro i spent for it. But the disapointment is serious, so here anything is on hold. I just read the aar�s of the good players :)

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/2/2011 6:56:18 PM

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Hi,

yes and no.
Yes - you can play from 42 on - but no, most people (as i see it) want to do better from the start.

In 1942 the situation is serious and nobody belive that a german attack could reach Leningrad, Moscow and the caucasus.
Also, the russian army is too strong.
Playing 42 is interesting but the real game is gc. Like in witp most people play gc 1941 (maybe with dec8th but nearly nobody want to play 1944-campagin)

So, if this game has the gc 1941, it need a winter with "real results". At the moment this is not true.

The game has the correction of german power, sensless of situations by hardcoded (wrong) maths... and most people (even "only red-player") get upset cause the game does this without give the player any chance to do better

So, no easy way around the problem

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 6:49:50 AM

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Cant say anything even in this thread has made me feel better about the game as there seems to be a consensus even from different sides of the fence it is in fact broken - at least as far as the GC goes - which is in fact all I am interested in. The seeming lack of any official input into the argument doesnt augur well for it being fixed anytime soon either.

In a similar vein, I'm waiting for glowing reports from the next non-beta patch, before even starting (although, I have a minor worry that if it goes too much longer, I'm going to be kicking myself for not waiting until the next christmas sale before buying it!).

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 7:19:08 AM

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Well, at the risk of repeating myself...

The facts are worth repeating, so go ahead.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 3:51:35 PM

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I see a lot of people managed to change their avatars. I am trying to change mine (about time I get a GF, and the current pic might scare them away, if you know what I mean) since december but I can't. I get an error.

I had that problem for a while until I finally noticed that there is an "apply" button at the bottom of the page that you have to scroll down to see when you are changing your avatar. Otherwise nothing will be changed.
Henri

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 4:17:33 PM

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Now that I had beta 6 on my pc - I had promised myself I wouldnt visit these forums anymore - so I could actually start playing a game. Some of the posts here actively dissuade me from playing the game. I am not blaming anyone here - its just the point that whislt an active forum is definitely a good idea ... reading some of the topics here about how the game is broken make me just want to shelve it again.

I know the feeling :) At times the forum is overrun by folks with less then stellar manners.
The games worth it though.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 4:21:03 PM

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I believe over reacting is part and parcel of the internet. We have seen that here, I am sure it continue. To let this dissuade me from such would mean I would never play a game, read a forum, or do anything of the sort. As it is, when the going gets tough I retreat into inanity (see my AAR) in order to help preserve my sanity. I am old enough (and more importantly thick-skinned enough) to not let much of what is said get to me, but I do understand how it could easily make folks want to not come back.

After all, I play the "Envelop Game" for fun.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 4:25:33 PM

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Well - I take this all on board.

Cant say anything even in this thread has made me feel better about the game as there seems to be a consensus even from different sides of the fence it is in fact broken - at least as far as the GC goes - which is in fact all I am interested in. The seeming lack of any official input into the argument doesnt augur well for it being fixed anytime soon either.

Still, had a couple of friends who were going to buy but I told them to hold off - at least I know I can tell them to wait a couple of years for the field marshal edition and keep them as friends!

I wouldn't call it broken so much as a little unbalanced. If you play with a decent (good person) player then you can also do house rules. In some of my first games i played with a house rule where i kept 6 armies on the east of the map to give germany a fighting chance in 42.

I will say it's still enjoyable. The only way the devs will improve the game is if we keep playing it and posting. Currently i have a kid due this week and i'm trying to play test another matrix game so i can't commit to a wite game. But once i'm back to a semi-sane life i will be in WITE like crazy. Another game like WITP that i will play for years. And if you find people you don't want to read their posts hit the green button to the right of BUDDY and it will block them.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 4:30:36 PM

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I believe over reacting is part and parcel of the internet. We have seen that here, I am sure it continue. To let this dissuade me from such would mean I would never play a game, read a forum, or do anything of the sort. As it is, when the going gets tough I retreat into inanity (see my AAR) in order to help preserve my sanity. I am old enough (and more importantly thick-skinned enough) to not let much of what is said get to me, but I do understand how it could easily make folks want to not come back.

After all, I play the "Envelop Game" for fun.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 5:56:54 PM

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Pompack is absolutely correct. Now that I've learned the model a bit better, I find that I can (using 1.02) actually maintain some fighting strength as the German for 1942 and survive the winter in relative decent shape. BUT, I have to do ahistorical actions to do that. I have to withdraw everywhere and anywhere that I see strong Soviet units forming for an attack, coupled with sheltering as many good units as I can, when I can. If I were to adopt the German strategy of not withdrawing, then I would be decimated.

To me, that IS the point though. I think the game should reflect what actually happend, if, and only if, the historical strategies are followed on both sides. Sure, there should be some variablility, but it should be relatively minor. What I see in the game is that the 1942 offensive capability for the Germans can only be recreated by doing something that the Germans simply did not do.

Now, all that said, I also don't think the game is all that much out of whack at all. Once I restart with 1.03, I'll see if the situation is a little better. I think it might be.

I'm not so sure it's the effects of the winter so much as the Germans inability to recover from them. If the effects are just slightly changed, and the recovery rate can be increased, then perhaps all will be well. I, too, have thought that a slider could solve the problem for most players.

But, to say that the game is broken is just plain silly.

That's my stroy and I'm sticking to it.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 8:40:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

I see a lot of people managed to change their avatars. I am trying to change mine (about time I get a GF, and the current pic might scare them away, if you know what I mean) since december but I can't. I get an error.

I had that problem for a while until I finally noticed that there is an "apply" button at the bottom of the page that you have to scroll down to see when you are changing your avatar. Otherwise nothing will be changed.
Henri

I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december

I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 8:44:52 PM

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I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway

You're certain to find a GF with this new avatar

However it's good to know it works, I had problems changing Adele for something new - no newly uplodaded pic worked, but some of those already available on the server did so I settled for this artillery icon on the left....

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 8:53:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway

You're certain to find a GF with this new avatar

However it's good to know it works, I had problems changing Adele for something new - no newly uplodaded pic worked, but some of those already available on the server did so I settled for this artillery icon on the left....

Sure I will find her. And I hope a rich one (with plenty of "cash"). Does anybody know if Bill Gates has a daughter?

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 8:58:58 PM

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Oleg is OK. You just have to realize he's a buffoon, then his inflated hyperbole becomes amusing. It's like Bill Walton with basketball games. Once I stopped being so serious about him, I started enjoying him. It's the same with Oleg.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 10:49:45 PM

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Oleg is OK. You just have to realize he's a buffoon, then his inflated hyperbole becomes amusing. It's like Bill Walton with basketball games. Once I stopped being so serious about him, I started enjoying him. It's the same with Oleg.

Have to stick up for Oleg here. After several years of UV and WITP I can say there is no more reliable or challenging opponent on these boards. Opinionated? Sure, usually with good reason. Buffoon? No way.

Hey Oleg, I'm ready for a WITE game whenever you are.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 10:54:57 PM

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Bill I remember our epic, multi-year (in both war and real life) game in WITP, that ended with my Japanese finally surrendering to your Allies when (if I remember correctly?) you took Saipan. It was and still is my longest played PBEM in any game, I think we went over 800+ daily turns? Probably more... We both should have gotten some sort of wargaming medal for that achievement.

I am opinionated (in a way, that's my job, as collumnist for a local PC magazine, to have an opinion and write vehemently to defend it!). However I try not to be obnoxious (god knows I try LOL).

Jazman as fan of NBA I take comparison with BW as a compliment!

Answer to original poster should be to stick with the forum and absolutely stick with the game. There's lot of fun to be had with both in it's current state with even more to come.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 11:12:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bilbow

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ORIGINAL: jazman

Oleg is OK. You just have to realize he's a buffoon, then his inflated hyperbole becomes amusing. It's like Bill Walton with basketball games. Once I stopped being so serious about him, I started enjoying him. It's the same with Oleg.

Have to stick up for Oleg here. After several years of UV and WITP I can say there is no more reliable or challenging opponent on these boards. Opinionated? Sure, usually with good reason. Buffoon? No way.

Hey Oleg, I'm ready for a WITE game whenever you are.

Honestly, I think I am partly (if not totally) responsible for helping to create an environment where it is ok to bash Oleg. While anyone's opinion of anyone on this board is your own, and you are entitled to it, the casual toss-off of insults shouldn't be ok. As TD pointed out, neither Oleg or I engaged in name-calling, at least. And I never questioned that Oleg's untimate desire is to improve the games faults as he sees them.

So I am sorry for my conduct on Q-Ball's AAR the other day.

Fortunately, Oleg is a forgiving soul, and the dustup on Q-Ball's AAR has resulted in Oleg and I playing a '41 campaign game, with me as Germans. This has been great fun for me, and we are now in the third turn. I have not quite yet retreated to Berlin, but that may happen at any time.

PS: That Oleg writes for a PC mag explains a lot.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 11:30:20 PM

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It's OK I am pretty thick skinned. I started an AAR of the game with Senno here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2744334

Read the opening post at least (not you Senno

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 11:34:59 PM

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Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

I started an AAR of the game with Senno here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2744334

Read the opening post at least (not you Senno )

Nice!

BTW, Oleg, did you start PBEM with Pieter as well?

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 11:40:49 PM

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thick skinned

Essential tool for surviving the internet.......

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 11:46:58 PM

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BTW, Oleg, did you start PBEM with Pieter as well?

I didn't, I think Pieter is kinda angry with me because I don't feel ready to take the game as German vs his Soviets. I'd try Soviets vs him gladly, though.

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RE: Should I visit this forum any more ?? - 3/3/2011 11:50:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway

You're certain to find a GF with this new avatar

However it's good to know it works, I had problems changing Adele for something new - no newly uplodaded pic worked, but some of those already available on the server did so I settled for this artillery icon on the left....

Sure I will find her. And I hope a rich one (with plenty of "cash"). Does anybody know if Bill Gates has a daughter?