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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 7:42:07 AM   
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A few more notes.

The Big E and Lex both suffered ammo storage explosions, so their damage may be worse than it appears.

Enemy counterstrike damaged Ryuho with two bombs, Chiyoda with one torp, and put one bomb into Kaga for 4 SYS.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 7:59:06 AM   
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Wow, as someone who plays the Allied side exclusively, that combat report was extremely painful to read, can only guess how CF felt looking at the combat replay.

Congrats are in order though! That was a well planned strike. Well played Sir! Well played! I suppose you'll be moving in to administer the coup de say goodnight gracie?

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go atone for the sin of praising a fatal Japanese strike on Allied CVs by kicking a random small household pet.


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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 8:17:43 AM   
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Also an allied player, and also about to cry at that battle report. At about the same exact day in my game against the AI, I have lost the Saratoga and Wasp, and Sunk FIVE jap fleet carrier including Kaga and Junyo. Not to mention 2 CVE's and a single CVL. In a recent CV fight where Junyo was sunk another CVL has been taking a beating for three turns already, now by LBA exclusively.

Ack, good for you rising sun types, but I say bring on the Essex ;)

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 9:32:36 AM   
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VERY Nice!

Cheers

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 10:09:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

A few more notes.

The Big E and Lex both suffered ammo storage explosions, so their damage may be worse than it appears.

Enemy counterstrike damaged Ryuho with two bombs, Chiyoda with one torp, and put one bomb into Kaga for 4 SYS.


Banzai!!! Great stalking!

Looks like tomorrow might be more of the same. Will you send in the dogs on the surface as well?

PS - No Gridley, which is a good thing! Although it would have been fun to eventually read a report of this strike from that perspective.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 12:41:28 PM   
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Thanks, all. I have very mixed emotions.

The good - obviously a devastating strike with the result of potentially delaying the enemy's budding counter-offensive until summer of '43. I worked hard to develop and use a significant search and recon advantage and feel on some level I deserve a little luck because of that.

The iffy - My strike was fine given how good my pilots are and how many planes went in. CF's counter though found my CVs in severe storms, meaning that instead of a winning exchange I effectively get a free shot. We've seen this before, and we all live with the engine, but it feels a little cheap for the weather die roll in one hex to be so important. Obviously IRL CVs avoided strikes by ducking into squalls and storm fronts, but it's probably a tough pill for CF to swallow.

And yes, we will pursue tomorrow. Yamato will bombard Ndeni to destroy enemy CV aircraft trapped there, although I imagine everything that can fly will jump to Luganville. I have to be a little careful as that means Luganville will be an SBD nest. No danger from Ndeni, FYI, as it's still level 1.

As for Gridley, it's very possible she was in the Wasp/Hornet TF that appears to be there. If so, this should make for one heck of a writeup in CF's AAR.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 1:02:45 PM   
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I hear you. It's tough to know you've gotten an advantage you didn't control, but that's the game as well. And life.

Still, this most likely would have been a resounding victory regardless.

Dying for some Cuttlefish updates now!

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 1:12:26 PM   
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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 1:34:55 PM   
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Thanks, Obvert, you're probably right.

Welcome back GZ!

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 2:32:51 PM   
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There is an operational mistake here IMHO) Stacking all 4CV's in the same hex allows for a first strike disaster like we have seen. Keeping a maximum of 2 CV's per hex provides an opportunity to bag maybe 2 ...given how the game engine works rather than real life .. maybe a better choice ...

My thought given all fators also for maximum 2 CV's per hex for the Allies is that the game engine also does not allow for the Allied defense in depth. Raids are only detected at the target hex and the hexes flown in-between are ignored -- even if they contain RADAR. Thus "real life" needs to be ignored and the game engine accounted for ...

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 3:44:27 PM   
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Agreed, Crackaces. I was surprised not to see CF in three CV TFs of 2 CV each. Then again, it's always a tradeoff between number of TFs and available first class escorts.

I'm going to increase the number of TFs that make up MKB too. I will probably go with the really fast CVs in one, the sorta fast in another, and the rust buckets in a third.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 3:46:52 PM   
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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 4:04:09 PM   
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Congrats, Cribtop.  I was away for three weeks, so I missed all the doins in the interim.  But the heck with the combat report...how did Barfapalooza 2012 turn out?

Sounds like you're settled into your new Hill Country home.  How's the new job going?

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 4:37:14 PM   
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quote:

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There is an operational mistake here IMHO) Stacking all 4CV's in the same hex allows for a first strike disaster like we have seen. Keeping a maximum of 2 CV's per hex provides an opportunity to bag maybe 2 ...given how the game engine works rather than real life .. maybe a better choice ...

My thought given all fators also for maximum 2 CV's per hex for the Allies is that the game engine also does not allow for the Allied defense in depth. Raids are only detected at the target hex and the hexes flown in-between are ignored -- even if they contain RADAR. Thus "real life" needs to be ignored and the game engine accounted for ...


No, it is a strategic mistake pure and simple. Until the advent of the hellcat fighter a carrier engagement with KB gives about an 80% chance of a major loss for the Allied player. Three major Cuttlefish mistakes here that I see. Never split your Allied carriers in 1942. Never risk an all out engagement with KB unless there are unusual odds for your success or you absolutely need to fight. And, never conduct operations with your carriers until you are absolutely sure where KB is.

The tactical aspect of splitting your carriers can be argued. I for one am against splitting them. But the strategic mistakes here can not be argued at all. Given the total ineffectiveness of AA fire at any stage of the game and the limitation of the wildcat, major carrier actions should be avoided by the Allied player. The six Allied carriers are much more potent as a deterrent if they are hidden and unknown. But if sitting on the bottom then Japan can maintain the offensive for another half year.

The fact that the weather compounded the disaster-well, sometimes when it rains, it pours. I feel CFs pain.




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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 5:21:36 PM   
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Congrats, Cribtop.  I was away for three weeks, so I missed all the doins in the interim.  But the heck with the combat report...how did Barfapalooza 2012 turn out?

Sounds like you're settled into your new Hill Country home.  How's the new job going?


Hey, CR! Hope you had a great trip. The home is awesome. Our artwork is the view out the back windows and porch.

Barfapalooza was awful, especially because my wife's scones were falsely accused. Turns out it was Thursday night's restaurant dinner, which I ate. Trying to plunge a toilet so your kids can keep barfing while trying not to barf yourself - well, that was me at about 4am that Saturday. Ugh.

As to crsutton's comments, I tend to agree that CF showed his CVs too long in one place. KB was lurking and waiting for him to stick his neck out just far enough and then took the shot. With a quick in and out and long periods of disappearance in between the Allied CVs can be very effective in '42. Stay on the radar for too long and you are playing with fire.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 5:33:11 PM   
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Don't concur about keeping all the CVs bunched up and fighting as a single unit. The Allied CVs--if used wisely--are magnificent tools for short term now you see them and now you don't raids. He, plainly, stayed too long without decent air search--recon. This cost him quite badly. I, personally, elect to keep my US CVs in single CV TF operating in pairs and always ON THE MOVE.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 5:39:35 PM   
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Thanks, John.  It's good to be home.  We had to get away from all the oppressive beautiful scenery in Colorado, don't ya know.

Any Allied player going back as far as UV days will have experienced enough "Oops, all my carriers just got sunk" events to last a lifetime.  A few of those should teach you to be awfully careful with them in 1942.  Going up against the KB is (usually) bad news...and lingering in the open, without knowing the location of the KB and without adequate patrols is just begging for a little old fashioned UV whooping.

I think my last unilateral carrier battle loss was against Miller in my first game of AE.  It took place in (guess what) 1942 in (guess where) waters near New Caledonia where I had (guess what) lingered too long and (guess what) didn't know the KB's location and (guess what) didn't have good patrol coverage.  That was about three years ago, and probably about the eighth time in UV/WitP/AE that I'd had something of the sort happen.  Eight times was the charm for me.  The lesson finally made it through my thick skull.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 5:56:55 PM   
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A similar thing very recently happened in my game: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3107479

I think there should be a mechanism in the game whereby CV TFs cannot attack or be attacked in very bad weather.

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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 7:55:19 PM   
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CF and I exchanged e-mails. A few tidbits are worth repeating. First, he called it the "most unpleasant and most one-sided" carrier defeat he's ever endured. Second, he opined that "epileptic circus clowns" could have achieved a better hit rate than his SBDs managed. Third, he was assuming KB was in the zip code but wasn't sure it was in the neighborhood.

Finally, and most interestingly, he mentioned that Gridley was in the battle fleet but not directly engaged. Thus, you will see something about the battle in his AAR.

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I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to that one!


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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/7/2012 8:57:56 PM   
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quote:

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Don't concur about keeping all the CVs bunched up and fighting as a single unit. The Allied CVs--if used wisely--are magnificent tools for short term now you see them and now you don't raids. He, plainly, stayed too long without decent air search--recon. This cost him quite badly. I, personally, elect to keep my US CVs in single CV TF operating in pairs and always ON THE MOVE.

Good to see you back Dan!



Personally, if I know the KB is operating out in the Pacific then I look to use them all to raid exposed oil fields in the DEI. It is a rare Japanese player that protects these fields enough in 1942 and using the six Allied carriers along with a Brit or two it can be quite profitable to slam Palembang and neighbors. But I keep them together regardless. Lone raids disrupt but do not win victories. I like to have them together for the above reason or to exploit a major gaffe by the Japanese player. If the Japanese player sees two carriers, he then has too much information and knows about as much as if he sees all six. Not to say you are wrong, Just a matter of style and preference. If the Allied carriers are unknown then Japan is pretty much forced to keep most of KB together.


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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/8/2012 1:36:38 AM   
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Excerpt from History of United States Naval Operations in WWII, by Samuel Eliot Morison.

Volume III, "The Rising Sun in the Pacific"

Chapter 8, "The Battle of the Torres Islands"

Introduction

The name Torres Islands conjures horror and dismay in US Navy personnel to this day. It stands for defeat and loss of life, for errors made and compounded, for the sudden and calamitous end to America's Pacific counter-offensive before it could really begin.

But this is the surface level. Psychologically, the Torres Islands debacle brought Pearl Harbor full circle, as Imperial Japan's terror weapon - the Carrier Strike Force - brought low the USN's carriers, sole operational survivors of the initial surprise attack and the shield built up in the public mind that would save the Pacific for Western Civilization. The psyche of the Navy was damaged as well, in that the USN's aviators were unable to give as good as the sailors got. Recriminations within the ranks were frequent, with many naval personnel believing they were unfairly blamed for a defeat which was a hair's breadth from a victory; that the Torres Islands was "the One That Got Away."

In sum, the battle was more than sunken ships and downed planes. It extinguished the torch of hope while ever so slightly re-directing the fires of anger away from Japan and toward our own. That America rose above this dark day to inexorably fight on is a strong testament to the national character. At the time, however, it felt like the Japanese - in the role of neighborhood bully - had first taken away our toys and then punched out our Dad when he showed up to set things right.

Spies in Our Midst?

The USN spent literally years after the battle convinced that Japan had obtained prior intelligence of the American move against the Solomons. Boards of Inquest investigated everything from code breaking to human spies to explain the sudden appearance of Japan's Kido Butai in the right place at the right time to wreak havoc. It was only after the war that the West learned of Japan's planned attack on Sydney harbor that led to the battle. This is instructive, however, as the Sydney attack was originally conceived in large part because of Japan's opinion that USN long range patrols in the New Hebrides were insufficient to detect the approach of the Japanese carriers. This factor, along with Japan's strong search network, was critical to providing the enemy with far more information about American movements than vice versa. In the end, the answer to the agonizing question "how did they know," was an unsatisfying combination of good grunt work and good luck.

The attack on Munda Point

The attack on Japan's major air installation at Munda Point was the reason our carriers were at the Torres Islands in the first place. Admiral Nimitz' staff had correctly divined that Japan was using Tulagi as a fortified outpost and seaplane base. Behind Tulagi lay Munda and The Shortlands. The latter base, however, was not complete and farther from possible invasion sites on Guadalcanal or Rennell Island. Neutralizing Munda's land based torpedo bombers was seen as a pre-condition to a ground offensive. On October 22nd, the USN fleet was posted 480 miles south of Munda, probing the range at which an effective Japanese strike could be launched and hoping to goad the enemy into an ill-fated attack. Things went well at first, as the Japanese complied, impaling some of their better Zero fighter pilots and a group of G3M2 Nells on the Navy's combat air patrol of Wildcats.

The Turn East

The reason the Torres Islands happened at all lay in Admiral Halsey's decision to retire directly toward the fleet's current base at Suva. Had the carriers returned by the same route as they approached, they would have avoided contact entirely. Admiral Nagumo was aware of this, but chose to move only as close as he did in hopes the USN would stay near its current position on the 23rd. The IJN brass reasoned that if the Americans stayed, it meant an invasion was in the offing, and that the Combined Fleet would be ready to meet it. Because Japanese search planes and subs had seen nothing behind the US carriers, they assumed nothing much would come of their move toward Ndeni. In fact, of course, all these assumptions were incorrect, and the two mighty fleets were on a collision course...

October 23, 1942

Ensign Handa Kazunori was only 23 years old, but already one of the most experienced carrier dive bomber pilots in human history. This wasn't hard to do given that the history of wartime carrier dive bombing was only 10 months old, but Handa's resume was still impressive. He had bombed Pearl Harbor, Darwin, Soerabaja and Colombo. Oddly, his pre-war training had focused on attacking ships in open waters, and yet only today would he put those techniques into action.

For the moment, his primary concern was surviving long enough to drop his bomb. For twenty minutes, American Wildcat fighters had torn through the approaching Japanese air formation, shooting and being shot at by the Kaigun's fighters, dive bombers and torpedo bombers. Now, the B5Ns had gone low for their runs, leaving Handa's bombers and their escorts to stay up top. Kazunori winced as his tail gunner opened fire on yet another incoming fighter. The young pilot maneuvered wildly but felt his Aichi shudder as bullets impacted the tail. Amazingly, the plane still responded to his controls despite the damage. Below him loomed an enemy carrier, believed to be the USS Lexington and already on fire from previous hits. Handa pushed over into his dive, watching as the big ship filled his target reticle. The hunted was about to become the hunter...

... William "Socket" Saukert was a fixer. His handiness with a socket wrench and his hard to pronounce last name had combined to render his shipboard nickname equivalent to a tool, which suited him fine. As a flight mechanic, he had been out of a job once the last of Lexington's aircraft had launched to attack the Jap carriers spotted to the NNE. Once the bombs started falling on his beloved ship, he quickly found new employment.

"Socket, get over to that machine gun and clear the jam," yelled his boss, Chief Johnson. The Chief had organized his crew into an impromptu damage control party, currently fighting fires from the third bomb to hit the carrier. Or was it the fourth?

William propelled his lanky frame across the slowly listing deck toward a machine gun post with only one surviving gunner, a green kid from the Plains somewhere named Jim or John or something similar. Time slowed down as Socket went to work on the gun, clearing the jam with expert touch in less than a minute.

"Thanks, Mac," said Jim/John, as he pointed the gun skyward at yet another dive bomber overhead.

The stream of bullets never got to its target. The bomber had already dropped its payload, which exploded near the bridge with a deafening blast, quickly followed by secondary explosions that literally rocked the Lex to her bones.

Dusting himself off and helping Jim/John up, Socket looked for the Chief, but there was no sign of him or their crew anywhere near the newest gaping hole in the flight deck.

"Jesus, Mac, what do we do now?" Jim/John suddenly looked like a young child who'd lost his Mom at the Five and Dime.

Socket looked over the Lexington. The latest fire had cut them and anyone else near the bridge off from any escape over the deck. Lady Lex was so much more than a ship to all aboard, but she was also a machine, and William Saukert was enough of a mechanic to know that this machine was broken.

"We jump," he said matter of factly.


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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/12/2012 4:29:47 AM   
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October 23, 1942

A great victory for the Empire! BANZAI!

Here's what happened everywhere else.

Subs

ASW hunts KXVIII near Donggala. Seadragon duds on a tanker near Singers and takes one penetrating DC hit in return. Truant misses a PB near Groote Natoena. Seawolf duds on a TK near Djambi.

I-7 misses Yorktown in the night as she steams East toward her doom. This was the first hint that we were heading for the massive CV battle at the Torres Islands. I-173 puts two more TTs into BB California near Pearl Harbor, which may be enough to sink the old battlewagon.

4th Fleet

An IJN bombardment TF of 5 CL and 5 DD hits Baker Island. This is a recon to check for presence of CD guns. None are found, so the invasion is given the final go order.

SE Fleet

Umm, well, stuff happened.

One game tidbit was that both sides' CV TFs reacted towards each other. The IJN CVs reacted into the hex with the pretty white cloud that made all the difference. Nice.

After the main strikes, both sides send a few unescorted torpedo bomber groups to their mauling.

Ndeni is the closest enemy airfield, and its airfield symbol goes to very dark green as scores of enemy CV aircraft divert there. A tasty target for a bombardment TF composed of Yamato and two older BBs.

Total IJN aircraft losses were a very acceptable 44 Kates, 30 Vals and 20 Zeros.

Southern Army

No change.

15th Army

Prome goes to level 5 forts.

China

Oscars intercept transports at Kunming.

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October 24, 1942

Yamato pounds Ndeni into a fine mist, but the enemy's cripples do ok trying to escape.

Subs

Our strategy for the day revolved around the fact that CF could basically retire to the SE or SW, ie either to one side of Luganville or the other. We had a sub swarm to the West, so chose to use MKB to cover the East. This decision was influenced by the assumption that Luganville would be hosting hordes of homeless SBDs and Avengers.

The enemy retired into our subs, with many results.

RO-66 is DC'd near Espiritu Santo, forced to the surface, and sunk. I-19 and RO-100 each miss DDs further West. I-164 torpedoes and sinks the damaged CA Portland. I-15 misses the damaged Lexington just West of Luganville. Then I-5, operating in the same hex, torpedoes Lex and gets another ammo storage explosion on the damaged CV. BANZAI! My wife later inquired why I yelled "s#%t!" and "YES!" in such quick succession.

Way over by Pearl, an ASW TF sinks I-175.

4th Fleet

The Baker invasion TF, covered by an SCTF with 4 CAs, closes on its target.

SE Fleet & Combined Fleet

Crazy day. CF had 4 PTs at Ndeni. We sent in 4 DDs first to clear the way for the Yamato bombardment TF. However, CF sent the PTs after MKB so we run into each other in open water. In two engagements, only 1 PT is sunk by the DDs despite the full moon.

CF's decision to sortie the PTs leaves the Yamato, Hyuga, Ise and 4 DDs with no opposition. They positively crush Ndeni's overcrowded airfield. CF wisely pulled everything that could fly to Luganville, but the 18 inch rifles claim a total of 75 enemy CV aircraft! Banzai! An old fashioned Nuke! What a mess for the USN squadrons.

A CV TF, presumed by Cribtop Intel to be the Wasp/Hornet/Gridley force, is spotted by Glens one hex West of Efate. They are the only USN Fleet carriers capable of air Ops in the entire PTO.

MKB finds only a good sized TF of APDs and an xAP East of Luganville. These ships are sent down with almost no survivors. Was this an empty invasion fleet nipped in the bud? Who knows. CF set a CAP trap over Luganville that gobbles up a small strike in the PM phase. Also in the PM, some of MKB's Kates hit the Ndeni airfield, adding to the carnage but mostly bouncing Yamato's rubble.

The IJN escort TF containing Ryuho and Chiyoda plus four DDs slips past enemy subs heading for Shortlands or Rabaul. All fires are out, these ships should make port barring sub attack.

Finally, there are numerous sinking sounds throughout the damage control phases. Music to my ears.

Southern Army

Soerabaja makes level four forts.

15th Army

No change.

China

Operation Dragon's Tail begins with sweeps and airfield attacks at Chikiang. We catch a good number of Lancers on the ground and kill supply.


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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop ... - 6/12/2012 9:48:56 AM   
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RO-66 is DC'd near Espiritu Santo, forced to the surface, and sunk. I-19 and RO-100 each miss DDs further West. I-164 torpedoes and sinks the damaged CA Portland. I-15 misses the damaged Lexington just West of Luganville. Then I-5, operating in the same hex, torpedoes Lex and gets another ammo storage explosion on the damaged CV. BANZAI! My wife later inquired why I yelled "s#%t!" and "YES!" in such quick succession.

Way over by Pearl, an ASW TF sinks I-175.


I've certainly had a few of those moments! Nice work getting to Lex.

Have you found you subs near Pearl effective or just a deterrent to keep him honest and use lots of escorts?

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Not certain I got Lex as there were no immediate sinking sounds and no CV plane ground losses. That said, she's a way from a good base and might be mortally wounded.

The PH subs have been off again/on again. I block the route and sink a few ships, CF scrambles DDs to the area and chases me off, I return in a few weeks, rinse and repeat. Definitely worthwhile to me as the victims have been tankers, big xAP and xAK and now a battleship.



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A quiet day after all the fireworks.

Subs

I-7 misses a damaged DD near Luganville, twice. RO-100 misses a DD in the same vicinity.

A sub whose name I can't read in my notes duds on a DD escorting our Fleet Oilers near Nauru. Time to move that valuable asset.

Kingfish duds and then misses against a DD near Stewart Island. Swordfish duds on an xAK in the South China Sea.

Allied ASW harasses RO-34 near Pearl. Our wolf pack here will move away as CF has us zeroed in.

4th Fleet

The Baker Island invasion fleet will enter the invasion hex today. D-Day tomorrow to get three unloading phases.

SE Fleet

Manus makes level 3 airfield. A gaggle of small and large SNLF units begin to unload to secure Madang, Wau, Salamua and Finschafen from para assault. No freebies for the enemy here.

Southern Army

No change.

15th Army

No change.

China

Lao Cai hits level two airfield. Sallys fly in to begin bombing the enemy transports based at Kunming. We will up the ante on our interdiction efforts by beginning an air campaign here and at Ledo.

Combined Fleet

Many unexplained sinking sounds today, but still no CV planes destroyed on ground.

As MKB leaves the battle area, her Kates swipe at Ndeni airfield, but there is little left to destroy.

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A Snafu at Baker, but we are pretty sure we got Lexington.

Subs

I-169 misses CLAA San Diego as it tries to move through the gap in the reefs just north of Koumac. I-23 misses a DD near Koumac as well. I-21 misses another DD between New Caledonia and Tanna.

For all the misses, we hear numerous sinking sounds from previous damage, and today 3 F4F and 3 Avengers are reported destroyed on ground for no apparent reason. This doesn't seem like much but is arguably consistent with a CV that had launched most planes before suffering enough damage to terminate flight Ops and then saw its air groups re-direct.

Cribtop Intel estimates, with 90% confidence, that Lexington's fires from the recent sub attack raged out of control and she went down en route to Noumea. BANZAI!

Speaking of Noumea, we sent a horde of subs to watch the approaches to the base, and today a Glen spots what looks like a CV escort TF trying to make port. No less than six subs have a shot at this TF, which we believe is the damaged Enterprise. If we get her tomorrow, the count from the Torres Islands will be four fleet CVs sunk.

4th Fleet

We fail to invade Baker. Annoyed, I checked, assuming I left the TF on "do not unload." However, I set it to unload after all, but the "unloading" button on the right hand side of the screen remained at "idle." Odd. We will invade tomorrow as we are still unspotted due to lack of air search and PTs at the target.

SE Fleet

The Lae area SNLFs finish unloading. We discover we cannot use Mavis transports to fly into Wau. The IJAAF will send some transports to help out, to the eternal shame of the Navy.

Tulagi and Rabaul receive massive re-supply. 26th Air Flotilla unloads at Shortlands to torp enable that base and provide defense in depth of the Solomons.

Southern Army

An enemy LCU comes out of the desert adjacent to our flank guard armor regiment. This may be just a probe or a move on Wyndham. We will bomb tomorrow for recon purposes, while two armored units move out of Daly to support. If needed we have a brigade sized unit and 18th Division as local reserve in this AO to assist. Frankly we suspect supply difficulties will cripple the enemy and welcome a move here.

15th Army

We try to sweep and bomb Akyab again but storms prevent all but a night raid by some Lily IIs.

China

We flatten Chikiang and kill still more supply and Lancers. The base is almost closed and we will soon shift targets.

Sallys hit Kunming in hopes of shutting down the air bridge from India.

A Division arrives at Kukong tomorrow. We plan to finish the 6 LCUs left surrounded here by Operation Red Dragon.

17th Army HQ, 2nd Division and 5th Division load at Shanghai for transfer to strategic reserve at Babel. 38th Division is headed to Burma, as is 1st Armored Division in a few weeks. 16th Division and the arty and armor associated with 17th Army will catch the second shift of fast xAPs for Babel later. A strat reserve of 3 crack Divisions and a total of 5 divisions plus smaller units in Burma will help Cribtop HQ breathe easier.

Combined Fleet

MKB and Tanaka Force will RV with the fleet Oilers tomorrow NE of Nauru Island. We briefly considered a port attack on Noumea to hit cripples, but the loss of Lexington and the peril of Enterprise reduce the value of the potential targets considerably. We will re-fuel and probably retire on Truk once the Baker Op is complete.

Other

Coming soon: A strategic analysis of the situation post Torres Islands.

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ORIGINAL: Miller

A similar thing very recently happened in my game: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3107479

I think there should be a mechanism in the game whereby CV TFs cannot attack or be attacked in very bad weather.


What I learned from this event and the AAR's is that though sea state seems to have an abstract effect on operational damage it does not seem to affect aircraft operations. At the very least the behavior is quite the opposite of what I would expect. So it is quite possible to be in a Typhoon and not only successfully launch aircraft but in a coordinated and deadly fashion with the added defense of causing the oncoming attacks to be disorganized and uncoordinated. Rather than fighting the "life is unreal" mantra I have warned my opponent of this unintutive game behavior.

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