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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 11:59:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		He'll have some MP's on an isolated Panzer.

Whenever you get an opportunity cut them off. It takes time to fortify Leningrad.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:21:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: alfonso
Well, an isolated unit is not frozen, if you are referring to that. It can be moved. It can advance. But with low efectivity (less MP, less morale). Sorry if I have not understood you. Have you got a screenshot?


I know they can move But the point is: if the territory behind them will be MINE what's the point if he keeps advancing? NO supplies and fuel, and that's gold for Panzers

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ORIGINAL: alfonso
During turn 1 as Soviets, it is not my priority to cut off the German sperheads, because I think they are over-stocked at the beginning of the game, and being this turn shorter (only half a week), I think it can be almost irrelevant from the supply point of view whether they are isolated or no.


I hadn't thought about that

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But...
in turn 2 I would take any chance to cut off. I did it in my own game and my opponent said in his email with Turn Axis 3: "Wow...Im learning alot here. Dont underestimate a human opponent :)", so I understood the supply situation was affected (severely?)


Hehehe, good to know As I said I can cut off like the 80% of his Panzer Armies. So my assumption was not that wild: he might be some sort of kamikaze after all?

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And yes, I agree with Cookie, it seems better to "buy" RR Brigades than Construction Battalions. Despite their railroad names, they are fine building forts. They cost 1 AP too, and construct much better. They use more manpower, though. But as Flavius says, the best Red weapon is the spade.


Alright, I will go after the Brigades, thank you both

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ORIGINAL: randallw
It seems that 2ACR let the computer handle the 1st turn air attacks.

I think the 1st turn shock penalty hurts only portions of the map for the Sovs, and the mount. divisions are out of that area; they aren't necessarily better, they just don't get punched in the groin with the penalty. Unless I read the manual incorrectly.


Randall, I was surprised about the relatively light air losses, or the last patches have toned them down? Maybe the AI did the job, as you say.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:31:17 PM   
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Turn 2

26 june 1941


Alright

The Northwest Front.




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:31:57 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:33:41 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:34:28 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 12:43:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd cut him off if I were you.Not so important turn 1, but from turn 2 on it becomes vital for the Germans not to expose their flanks.If he's as exposed as your comments suggest then his objectives could quickly change from capturing Moscow to saving his panzer army.It can really happen that quickly to an unwary Axis player at this stage of the game.The air supply will help him, but not that much.
Can you post a screen?

Edit - Oh, I see you have.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:02:53 PM   
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Timmyab, no I hadn't pasted any screenshot yet. Thanks for the advice
EDIT: oops, yes I had, sorry.



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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:06:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the Sw you can reestablish supply, get out of isolation and isolate him with 2 simple moves - but do not forget that isolation/supply is reecalcualted when/if he acts duing his turn, so he will break out and be in pretty good shape during his turn. It is good to "glom" his panzers - place them in a ZOC.

Encircling and causing surrender requires patience - at least 2 moves; here you have bought at least one extra move. 

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:10:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its looking good to cut off some units. That'll slow him down and give more time until the Leningrad PM Divisions begin to arrive.

I just garrisoned Odessa with 2 Divs and the Airborne Corps HQ. They took 6 German divisions to be defeated. The forts were at level 4.

They took massive double retreat attrition though on the 'naval evacuation rout'. I didn't wanna waste the Coastal Army on it. This HQ is commanding the Crimean entrance defenders.

Are you gonna allow reinforcements to your Cavalry? I only allow a few to become 100% TOE. They are useful for re-making contact with pocketed defenders. Plus they can deliberate attack and then get back to their forts.

You must bomb Ploesti and tell us all the results!

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:14:54 PM   
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You've done an even better job than I thought.He is so screwed.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:18:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marquo

In the Sw you can reestablish supply, get out of isolation and isolate him with 2 simple moves - but do not forget that isolation/supply is reecalcualted when/if he acts duing his turn, so he will break out and be in pretty good shape during his turn. It is good to "glom" his panzers - place them in a ZOC.

Encircling and causing surrender requires patience - at least 2 moves; here you have bought at least one extra move. 


Yes, I know. I will be hugging many panzers here (which will be isolated). I still think he should bag some (if not all) units of my Lvov salient. We will see

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ORIGINAL: cookie monster

I just garrisoned Odessa with 2 Divs and the Airborne Corps HQ. They took 6 German divisions to be defeated. The forts were at level 4.

They took massive double retreat attrition though on the 'naval evacuation rout'. I didn't wanna waste the Coastal Army on it. This HQ is commanding the Crimean entrance defenders.

Are you gonna allow reinforcements to your Cavalry? I only allow a few to become 100% TOE. They are useful for re-making contact with pocketed defenders. Plus they can deliberate attack and then get back to their forts.

You must bomb Ploesti and tell us all the results!


Well, the 51st Army protects Crimea (it appears there). I guess I will be using the Coastal Army HQ + 2 Rifle Divisions to garrison Odessa (like on my other game).

Hmmm, I don't think I will be bombing Ploesti. I think it's sort of gamey That's STRATEGIC bombing. And both the Germans (ok, they bombed British cities with tactical bombers) and Soviets did not have strategic bombers. So a big NO. Fair Play

As for the reinforcements for my cavalry. Well, I also didn't pay attention to this on my other game Hmm, let's see: the cavalry units give you MOBILITY aka the possiblity of creating a big mess Therefore I guess the cavalrymen will get fresh recruits like everyone else.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:22:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: timmyab

Oh my god, love it.
You've done an even better job than I thought.He is so screwed.


I hope you're correct! I must save Leningrad at all cost!

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:25:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marquo
Encircling and causing surrender requires patience - at least 2 moves; here you have bought at least one extra move. 


I know, Marquo. It also requires STAVKA reserves, which I don't have yet. But maybe... humm... who knows...


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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:32:23 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:35:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really surprised at what 2ndACR is doing here. I don't know what he is thinking, but I guess next turn will tell if there is a method to his madness. 

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 1:44:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Me too, Klydon I am trying to think what might appear. The Panzers are already isolated in this forward front line. What's left behind them? The infantry, but they need a few turns to catch up...

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 2:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like Totenkopf and that panzer division to the south will have to ride to the rescue.He should be O.K. just about, but I bet he wont be charging into your positions like that again.Be a bit wary of trying to destroy any units left isolated at the end of his turn unless you have overwhelming odds.It can be dangerous to have your best divisions left out in exposed positions with nothing to show for it when they could be all safe and cosy in their dugouts.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 3:13:23 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 3:40:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh wow, he will *not* be pleased with that situation. It's tough as it is to close that gap, let alone close it twice. That's gonna keep his Panzers busy for a while...

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 4:13:47 PM   
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Oh wow, he will *not* be pleased with that situation. It's tough as it is to close that gap, let alone close it twice. That's gonna keep his Panzers busy for a while...


That's the spirit! And the panzers north of this small pocket will too be isolated. I have almost done my turn. The first turns are overwhelming.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 4:24:05 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 5:01:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		And the Western Front (98,34 % done?). His Northern Panzer Army will be isolated. The southern panzers are ok. The STAVKA strategic reserves are arriving... the Dnper is covered




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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 5:07:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		AMAZING. I thought Flaviusx was good, but now your the GURU of all Soviet Forces.

You are doing what nobody else can do, stopping Super Summer Axis Supermen.

Against multiple players!

Congrats...But seriously I hope the game gets better, the last one was painful,

this opening is awful, you cant even do that against the AI

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 5:12:32 PM   
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I am really an average player I just have a plan and stick to it. And of course I more or less understood the rules (not always ). I'm doing (in the center) what the Soviets did

AND my opponent will have to move. The whole thing might crumble like a castle of cards. I hope it doesn't though!

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 5:25:42 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 6:38:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

There is a Hero of the Soviet Union medal in your future.


That, I know. I'm the USSR Boss ergo the one who gives such medals I want TWO by the way

Well, I too have bought RR Brigades (thanks again for the tip, Cookie Monster and Alfonso ) and Sapper Bns. As I said above ALL the STAVKA reserve armies (n the center that is: 16, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 24 armies) got them. The 8th in the NW too. And the 5th in the SW. On the next turn I will be assigning good leaders to these STAVKA reserve armies: Vatutin, etc.

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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 6:50:31 PM   
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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 7:00:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

There is a Hero of the Soviet Union medal in your future.


totally agree
love the maps and the detail in your posts.

your going to quickly have to think of a name for your counterstoke operation as it deserves a name.


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RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR ... - 3/7/2011 7:06:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing I like to do is to "see" as much as possible, in order to know at least where are their Panzer and Motorized Divisions. Therefore I recon since turn 1. Having my divisions "touching" theirs helps: besides, that "kissing" fatigues their Divisions (less MP). It seems you are doing the same here.

As I want to know his plans, I take (about turn 3 or 4) a piece of paper and a pencil, and I take note of their mobile divisions (North to South). Then I check this list against the German OOB at turn 1, to detect (well, try to detect) if there has been a transfer of units between Army Groups. If I , for instance, detect that Army Group Centre has given some Panzer Divs to AG North, I would assume that maybe he wants Leningrad yes or yes, and I could react accordingly.

I like also to use the preformed forts of the old Stalin-line, but in the South this tends (for me) to end in semi-catatrophe...so I am curious about how are you going to deal with the melee in the south

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