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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 11:39:26 AM

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It seems like at some point he as to stop offensive air ops and try to conserve pilots and planes. He's building your airforce for you, just giving your pilots an amazing number of kills and experience while most likely losing all of his over enemy bases.

Are you keeping up with losses ok or is this stretching your pools right now?

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 2:21:02 PM

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It seems like at some point he as to stop offensive air ops and try to conserve pilots and planes. He's building your airforce for you, just giving your pilots an amazing number of kills and experience while most likely losing all of his over enemy bases.

Are you keeping up with losses ok or is this stretching your pools right now?

Obviously i cannot keep up with 50/80 losses on each turn...i need a breath....but my situtation is much different from the one i faced when i defended India one year and a half ago...now i produce 40 P-48s, 55 P-47s, 70- P40s, 35 P-39s, 130 Hellcats, 75 Corsairs, 35 Hurricanes, 50 Spitfires etc etc...and all these frames have a much better survivability respect to those we flew when we were scratching the bottom of the pool barrell in 42 (basically only P-40Es, P-39Ds and Hurricanes)...
My USAFF pools are very thin, mind you, but the Marines and the USN have more than 250 top line fighters in their pools...enough i'd say!

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 3:37:49 PM

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If rader has garrisoned all those great dot hexes between Timor and New Guinea, and those bases in southwestern NG, then I tip my hat to him. But I don't think there's any way he could have covered them all. Take another look - PLEASE.

I fought a campaign out of Darwin and west from Merauke in my game vs. Miller. It involved the very bases I'm talking about. They were built huge and and allowed the Allies to methodically advance into the eastern DEI. If you want to see how large and interlocking those bases are, see my "Shattered Vow" AAR: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2236335

In that game, Japan's airforce was much stronger, and mine much weaker than yours. I had a tough time campaigning in the DEI, but you're relatively much stronger.

If that way truly is blocked by rader's defensive network, I apologize for taking so much of your time.

As for what I'm doing awake now, good question. I got a good five hours sleep and suddenly awakened at 3 a.m. and haven't been able to go back to sleep. So I'm reading a favorite AAR....

Here u are CR...

All these bases have been built up and some of them are confirmed garrisoned. Obviously i don't have a clue right now (Darwin is empty and isolated) so i don't know ho many men and which kind of troops...i guess most of them only have eng and base forces...but at Timor at least 2 divisions are confirmed and 10 units are in the base right in front of Darwin... So i'm not saying i cannot advance here...but with all those AFs built up it will be nearly impossible to shut them down (and in fact i think this lesson has been learnt by Rader during his other AAR where the allies advanced using this vector)...

It's not my best choice imho...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 3:48:24 PM

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It looks like Grote Island, Wesel, and Grove are vacant? If you have engineers to spare, you might consider building those up. You can supply them through the Torres Straight and then use the big airfields to support any future campaign out of Darwin or west towards the DEI. Just you building there will keep rader honest in the eastern DEI and Timor.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 3:54:21 PM

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It has been confirmed to work by developers.

The detail in the game continues to amaze

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 4:05:59 PM

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What are you using your massive number of transport planes for?? Following CRs comments, you could get close enough to use them to start to resupply Katherine and allow supplies to flow back into Darwin. Base a F4 or F5 Recon unit at Merauke and start to get more detailed info on those bases. At least get his attention over there.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 4:10:16 PM

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Also, in my game with Miller (Scenario Two), sometime in 1943 the Allies got some kind of incredible recon unit flying long-range B-24s.* Base that somewhere like PM or Merauke and suddenly you can fly recon over Truk and Babeldaob. That's a stunt to pull at some point you want to rattle rader's cage.

*I'm assuming that unit is still present in the OOB, but that's not a certainty. There've been lots of changes - I just noticed that Auri, a base I took north of Darwin in my game vs. Miller, isn't a base in this game. In it's place is Dabo, a base on the opposite side of that island.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 4:35:07 PM

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IIRC the max range of those birds is something like 32??

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 4:37:48 PM

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What are you using your massive number of transport planes for?? Following CRs comments, you could get close enough to use them to start to resupply Katherine and allow supplies to flow back into Darwin. Base a F4 or F5 Recon unit at Merauke and start to get more detailed info on those bases. At least get his attention over there.

My transport fleet is being used to resupply PM, Milne Bay and Mereuake. 64 more transports are arrivng from PH in these days...

Yes, for sure i'll start to recon...just give me some time to secure and develop the place and we'll start to look around

CR...yes, the recon PB4Ys...they are from the USN...i'm using them intensively in the Solomons...from Lungaville i can recon everything up to Bouganville...juicy!

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 4:39:18 PM

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IIRC the max range of those birds is something like 32??

31 ...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 4:53:55 PM

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Looks like most of those bases are empty and Rader is relying in a few hubs from where he can quickly displace units via air or fast transport tf's. Couldn't you grab several of those bases, drop engineers and garrisons on them and build them up quickly?

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 5:36:40 PM

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Looks like most of those bases are empty and Rader is relying in a few hubs from where he can quickly displace units via air or fast transport tf's. Couldn't you grab several of those bases, drop engineers and garrisons on them and build them up quickly?

I need to check first if they are empty...the pic you see is taken with detection zero almost everywhere... now in a couple of weeks we'll be able to tell

Sniffing a new jap offensive against PM or Milne...let's see if i'm right... lots of planes gathering at Rabaul....

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 6:08:16 PM

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There comes a time in every campaign where the Jap player has to cut his losses, fall back to the next defensive line and rebuild to fend off the next Allied vector of attack. Rader has gone way beyond this point in the NG theatre yet still he throws away all his decent airframes piloted by noobs (I'm guessing most of his pilots now are straight out of the replacement pilot pool - his Navy ones certainly will be) in fruitless attacks. Baffling.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 8:50:05 PM

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There comes a time in every campaign where the Jap player has to cut his losses, fall back to the next defensive line and rebuild to fend off the next Allied vector of attack. Rader has gone way beyond this point in the NG theatre yet still he throws away all his decent airframes piloted by noobs (I'm guessing most of his pilots now are straight out of the replacement pilot pool - his Navy ones certainly will be) in fruitless attacks. Baffling.

I guess if you own all of China and most of India in Nov 43 you can afford to take some risks with your airforce! I felt the same as your above comment until I just realized how much ground and water the Allies still have to cover, and I'm sure he's buying a division and a few support units out of China every few months. He does have a whole lot of extra HI the IJ player doesn't usually have access to at this point, and there has been no mention of getting in the supply lines with subs by GJ because his ASW is too strong.

Maybe someone with the map in front of them can figure this out, but with his holdings how much extra Heavy Industry could he have right now? Before capture Calcutta had about 500 HI alone, and it could be built back up to that.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 9:56:00 PM

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All these bases have been built up and some of them are confirmed garrisoned. Obviously i don't have a clue right now (Darwin is empty and isolated) so i don't know ho many men and which kind of troops...i guess most of them only have eng and base forces...but at Timor at least 2 divisions are confirmed and 10 units are in the base right in front of Darwin... So i'm not saying i cannot advance here...but with all those AFs built up it will be nearly impossible to shut them down (and in fact i think this lesson has been learnt by Rader during his other AAR where the allies advanced using this vector)...

It's not my best choice imho...

I believe Greyjoy is referring to my game vs. Rader where I attacked the DEI via this route. In my game, I believe I surprised Rader with this move and was able to grab a lotta ground and get entrenched before he was able to adjust. I suspect he has learned from this experience and will be prepared for Greyjoy if he chooses to go this way in his game.

If Greyjoy does choose to go this way, he will first need to build up Merauke, Gove, and every other dot base he can grab. He will need some airbases to support any move in this direction. Any attack will have to be really big or risk being swamped by a japanese counterattack. In my game, I brought the entire mid-1944 US fleet and landed over 300,000 troops on a dozen different bases within the first 2 weeks.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 10:17:04 PM

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Exactly Jzanes! I've seen your attacking route and have noticed that Rader in my game, since 1942, has starting to build up and garrison these bases...so i'll need another route...i'm thinking about it...

Nov 11, 12 1943

Ok, nothing happened today...except that our LRCAP over Russell and Thousands destroyed 60 Mavis-Ls and Emilies-L flying out his troops...

too late probably cause he has extracted almost 42,000 men in the last 2 months...but again i made him pay a price for his moves...

Milne Bay reached level 1 AF... and Mereuake already have 200 engeneers and a base force, along with a NZ Bde
Milne has 2 NZ Bde, a base force and 250 Eng... not bad!

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 10:18:31 PM

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There comes a time in every campaign where the Jap player has to cut his losses, fall back to the next defensive line and rebuild to fend off the next Allied vector of attack. Rader has gone way beyond this point in the NG theatre yet still he throws away all his decent airframes piloted by noobs (I'm guessing most of his pilots now are straight out of the replacement pilot pool - his Navy ones certainly will be) in fruitless attacks. Baffling.

Well, i think we'll see how is his pilots quality when we'll engage our CVs with his own... soon i think...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 10:20:32 PM

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There comes a time in every campaign where the Jap player has to cut his losses, fall back to the next defensive line and rebuild to fend off the next Allied vector of attack. Rader has gone way beyond this point in the NG theatre yet still he throws away all his decent airframes piloted by noobs (I'm guessing most of his pilots now are straight out of the replacement pilot pool - his Navy ones certainly will be) in fruitless attacks. Baffling.

I guess if you own all of China and most of India in Nov 43 you can afford to take some risks with your airforce! I felt the same as your above comment until I just realized how much ground and water the Allies still have to cover, and I'm sure he's buying a division and a few support units out of China every few months. He does have a whole lot of extra HI the IJ player doesn't usually have access to at this point, and there has been no mention of getting in the supply lines with subs by GJ because his ASW is too strong.

Maybe someone with the map in front of them can figure this out, but with his holdings how much extra Heavy Industry could he have right now? Before capture Calcutta had about 500 HI alone, and it could be built back up to that.

Agree...in this game Rader has conquered so much that all we know about jap economy in 43/44 must be thought again....

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 10:35:21 PM

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Whatever you do, bombers from Merauke and Horn Island could be used to close numerous bases on the north-central side of New Guinea, if you want them to.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/25/2011 10:45:48 PM

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hi GJ,

i hope you've gifted our boys in the 79th RAAF sqn w/ their bestest available commander! also, looks like 54th RAF sqn has 34 pilots for a 16-plane unit. mebbe 6-8 of these guys should transfer to other sqns?

amazing how you've knocked back the KB airgroups when they decided to come out to play. note how its missions are fighter-heavy, & the few attack-types can't penetrate your CAP. no doubt rader is furiously training his reserve carrier-capable air. whenever KB retires, likely he's switching navair sqns wholesale between ship-based/operational & ground-based/training-rebuild. if the current ops-tempo continues much longer, KB will become a spent force, a diminishing threat.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 1:14:20 AM

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Also, in my game with Miller (Scenario Two), sometime in 1943 the Allies got some kind of incredible recon unit flying long-range B-24s.* Base that somewhere like PM or Merauke and suddenly you can fly recon over Truk and Babeldaob. That's a stunt to pull at some point you want to rattle rader's cage.

*I'm assuming that unit is still present in the OOB, but that's not a certainty. There've been lots of changes - I just noticed that Auri, a base I took north of Darwin in my game vs. Miller, isn't a base in this game. In it's place is Dabo, a base on the opposite side of that island.

The Allies get the long range Navy Liberator in late 42 or early 43, so GJ must be using it. The Army F-4 Liberator comes on line in early 44 and the incredible long range B-29 will come somewhat later. It has amazing range.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 4:52:52 AM

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I disagree re Merauke Isand's usefulness....unless you are committing to drive SOUTH of New Guinea toward the DEI. Given your course of action thus far in the Solomons, it did not look like that was intended. Rather, the neutralization of New Britain/Rabaul appeared to be the immediate strategic goal. Merauke plays little role in that.

Further, I personally favor a path along the north coast of New Guinea toward the Phillipines as the way to eventually cut the oil pipeline. I do not favor becoming embroilled in the morass of islands of the DEI proper. Of course it can be done and we have all read AARs where it was done. But, due to all the large, interconnected bases in the area, it can be very tricky. Great place to lose a fleet, BTW.

Taking bases along the northern coast of New Guinea has all the advantages offerred by every commentator on this subject, plus it advances your air reach considerably further in the direction you appeared to be going (Rabaul's isolation). Grabbing Gasmata (if it is unoccupied) and building an airbase there would have been a coup that would practically slam the door on the whole Solomons chain. No more head banging against heavily fortified islands in a frontal assault (though I often hear you banging you head against the dungeon walls and know how you enjoy that).

If the DEI is the target via a route south of New Guinea, bravo. CR raises some good points re the value of that axis of advance and Merauke has a role there. However, Reek, admit it now, that is NOT where you are aimed. So, again, why go there? It is a diversion from your near term strategic goal if I read the tea leaves properly.

BTW, on a less confrontational note, nice job on decimating the IJN air arm. Well done. But, if you think you need a breath, think how he is turning blue from the solar plexis blows you have administered over the last 4 days. Quite a wiping. Fun, huh, not to be on the receiving end. Keep the pressure on him. Be ready to counter punch immediatelly following these major efforts he launches from time to time. His response will be muted by the heavy losses.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 6:17:11 AM

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You are assuming that all are saying use the south coast as your main thrust, IMHO what is being said is that Merauke is a position that can support a north coast thrust, threaten a south coast push and provide a base on the left flank to support the Pt Moresby hub.

While an undefended Gasmata might be a good target, do you know if its defended??? Merauke was empty.

rader now has another area to worry about, as mentioned he has to "garrison" a whole new line of approach which is real or may be a feint. A commitment of a Bde of "fragile" Aussie or NZ Militia (meaning low replacement rates) plus engineers shows enough strength to set raders mind working and too big to kickout quickly.

I am not a fan of the DEI approach from Darwin, there are a lot of island bases in between Darwin and the Home Islands. A couple of AAR have shown it to be a hard slog. At some point Greyjoy has to make a big step across the Pacific and given his lack of position in the Gilberts IMHO now has to approach from the south.

PS There is too much talk of "super rader", garrisons evreywhere, every island turned into Gibraltar!! So far you have stopped his pushes and smashed him on your counter offensive, he cannot be perfect, you hear the continual cry from JFB on how slow their engineers work. Do a lot of recce and find that next weak spot, cut out some islands (go back only 1 layer, you havent whipped him yet) and get towards the softer sections of his defences.

Eagerly awaiting your next secret offensive.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 12:30:27 PM

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Sorry Master, but on this point i agree with Jeff, CR and others. Mereuake was an easy prey to grab and it sucks only limited resources in the overall picture. Comparing the little resources devoted to it (1 NZ Bde, 3 Seabees, 2 AUS base forces and the paras used to take it - the latters already on their way to be moved back to Horn Island for future operations), its position rapresents a threat to Rader's right SOPAC flank.

The whole PM, Milne Bay and Mereuake operations have already forced Rader to shif considerable forces back to NG (transports are spotted coming and going from Truk and Rabaul to Hansa Bay, Wewak, Lae etc etc...)...and this is already a victory per se...all these forces are not facing me anymore in the Solomons where Rader seems to have abbandoned (for the moment) any attempt to seriously counter me... almost all his air forces have been moved out, along with his naval assets...i count not more than 200 planes from Bouganville moving down on the map...Rabaul is full of ships and planes...with the KB among them... is he relocating his assets to NG?...could be...

Nov 13, 14, 15 and 16 1943

While Rader's counteroffensive in NG still lingers, Milne Bay reached level 1 AF and 1 Port...2 NZ Bdes, a RAAF base force a CD guns BN and several eng units are already based there, while Mereuake, as we've seen, is growing steady.
PM reached port 4 AF 7...with 300 fighters defending it.
In these days we've naval bombed Rekata Bay, Munda, Paggoe, Russell and Thousands...in the latters he's not evacuating anymore, nor my air nor by sea...his naval assets didn't come out to face my BBs, nor his Air forces ever tried to counter my moves... he's clearly re-organizing after the battles of last week.

Now i've ordered to the II Aus Corp to move from PM to Buna.
2 AUS divisions, 1 US Division and 1 AUS Bde, supported by 3 NZ tank units, 3 artillery and 3 Eng BNs are taking the Owen Stanley Mountains route.
Tomorrow we'll bomb Buna with 150 4Es from CookTown, preceeded by 25 P-47s and 18 Corsairs on sweep mission with 50 P-38s on LRCAP (thx Crsutton!).

in India we decided to move a little bit. 1 Indian corp, composed of the equivalent of 4 reinforced divisions will move south, right 1 hex west of Multan. The Corp should be well defended also in terms of AA guns... they will act as a road stopper in order to cover my right flank and prevent any move on my back from Multan.

At PM the air bridge is working perfectly....100k supplies already in place!

the sub war is lingering...we sunk a TK near Benjarmais and a PB near Madras yesterday...but we lost a sub in DEI waters due to his dreaded Helens.
He moved on the 14th his subs en masse near Rekata Bay and they got a bloody nose by our specialized Hudsons, Ansons and B-26s from Auki....we probably sunk 2 subs and badly damaged 3 more... he then immediately reitred them to Shortland...

What else? I'm using these days of relative calm to organize my convoys and chance some leaders. Always short on PPs but i have to live with it...

Heavy reinforcements are on their way for Oz...fuel remains a problem despite all my efforts...i barely have the fuel needed for my fleet...but reserves are always short...

Stay tuned...will be dancing soon

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 12:58:33 PM

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Eagerly awaiting your next secret offensive.

word.

grab on to what's on offer, build the airfields to advance your recon-eyeballs. Merauke's potential size-8 airbase could be v. powerful. one could wish that GJ would minimize his 4E losses a bit.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 1:52:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: JeffK
Eagerly awaiting your next secret offensive.

word.

grab on to what's on offer, build the airfields to advance your recon-eyeballs. Merauke's potential size-8 airbase could be v. powerful. one could wish that GJ would minimize his 4E losses a bit.

To minimize them i'd need to sweep a lot more...and, at this stage, i'm still shifting from the defensive to the offensive and most of my fighters are badly needed to defend my bases...

However the 4Es situation isn't that grim... i have 250 operative 4Es with a pool of 40 Liberator mk.J....not bad

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 1:54:57 PM

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Again i little method i use for fuel transportation. I multiple CS tanker TFs, each in the size limited to the max port size in PH to shuttle fuel from Los Angeles to PH. From PH i use 1 big tanker convoy with all smaller tankers to shuttle fuel to Sydney or my current fleat HQ. In addition i use, depending on the situation, multiple TFs constisting of 100xAKs in transport mode to shuttle fuel from PH to the designated target. With a few hundred Naval support you can unload such a TF in a few days. If you use tankers to shuttle to smaller ports it takes forever. In addition all the xAK TFs are set to do not refuel to not drain the fuel they already delivered. It is possible to do a round trip from PH to SWPac with the usual xAKs. This helped a lot to keep my fleet fuel supplied.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 2:22:10 PM

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Well reasoned and well spoken, GJ. In any Scenario Two match, Japan can make the Allied advance very difficult given the extra troops available (moreso in your game due to China) and the more robust airforce and navy. The DEI is particularly suited to defensive warfare, so if you're satisfied rader is ready for an advance that way, I can see why you want to choose another path. Also, the fact that the Japanese airforce and naval airforce seems to be very weak, while the Allies have a full slate of carriers, suggests that you are in a much better position to take advantage of the big distances involved in an island-hopping campaign. IE, why give rader the chance to take advantage of multiple interlocking airfields in the DEI when you can pick and choose more isolated targets in the Pacific?

I like your thinking.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 2:43:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Also, in my game with Miller (Scenario Two), sometime in 1943 the Allies got some kind of incredible recon unit flying long-range B-24s.* Base that somewhere like PM or Merauke and suddenly you can fly recon over Truk and Babeldaob. That's a stunt to pull at some point you want to rattle rader's cage.

*I'm assuming that unit is still present in the OOB, but that's not a certainty. There've been lots of changes - I just noticed that Auri, a base I took north of Darwin in my game vs. Miller, isn't a base in this game. In it's place is Dabo, a base on the opposite side of that island.

The Allies get the long range Navy Liberator in late 42 or early 43, so GJ must be using it. The Army F-4 Liberator comes on line in early 44 and the incredible long range B-29 will come somewhat later. It has amazing range.

I believe the photo-reconnaissance version of the B-29 (the F-13) has a range of over 80 hexes?

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RE: November rain...of blood - 10/26/2011 2:44:49 PM

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Again i little method i use for fuel transportation. I multiple CS tanker TFs, each in the size limited to the max port size in PH to shuttle fuel from Los Angeles to PH. From PH i use 1 big tanker convoy with all smaller tankers to shuttle fuel to Sydney or my current fleat HQ. In addition i use, depending on the situation, multiple TFs constisting of 100xAKs in transport mode to shuttle fuel from PH to the designated target. With a few hundred Naval support you can unload such a TF in a few days. If you use tankers to shuttle to smaller ports it takes forever. In addition all the xAK TFs are set to do not refuel to not drain the fuel they already delivered. It is possible to do a round trip from PH to SWPac with the usual xAKs. This helped a lot to keep my fleet fuel supplied.

Yes, i see that my "system" is far from being efficient...i use HUGE convoys...and they take forever to unload... will change asap as you just suggested beppi (i know you and NY59 have told me so long months ago...sorry)!

Still thanks

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