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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:16:36 PM

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The only place i see where he could try something cray is PH... but can you really imagine to invade PH in mid 44?!?!

What is the victory point situation? Is not PH is worth 3000points?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:16:38 PM

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The only place i see where he could try something cray is PH... but can you really imagine to invade PH in mid 44?!?!

Don't forget the western Aleutians as he may try to cut off your resupply and reinforce efforts. That is the only other one that could be a possibility. He would to cut off the head (kuriles, etc.) before he could destroy it.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:18:24 PM

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quote:

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The only place i see where he could try something cray is PH... but can you really imagine to invade PH in mid 44?!?!
What is the victory point situation? Is not PH is worth 3000points?

We're not looking at VPs so it doesn't really matter in our game....

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:21:51 PM

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quote:

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The only place i see where he could try something cray is PH... but can you really imagine to invade PH in mid 44?!?!
What is the victory point situation? Is not PH is worth 3000points?

After Pearl Rader could load up and head to San Fran...

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:24:03 PM

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The only place i see where he could try something cray is PH... but can you really imagine to invade PH in mid 44?!?!

Don't forget the western Aleutians as he may try to cut off your resupply and reinforce efforts. That is the only other one that could be a possibility. He would to cut off the head (kuriles, etc.) before he could destroy it.

But i have my full CVs in the kuriles...how can he avoid a fight if he goes there?

Anyway, in less than a week my CVs will be free from supporting landing ops and will be ready to defend anything he wanna invade from PH up to the Aleutinas. I'll use my CVEs to escort my convoys and my CVs as a mobile force.
Now i have so many CVEs that they may become a problem to deal with even for the KB...for sure the KB will win a fight, but i doubt it will come out without a scratch...and with my fast CVs around....well, it wouldn't be the safest strategy for rader.

Anyway, even if he invades the aleutinas (which are, btw, decently guarded and fortified), i don't think this will push me out of Okkaido...
The only thing that can really change the strategic situation now is a carrier battle won by japan

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:27:15 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bigred

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The only place i see where he could try something cray is PH... but can you really imagine to invade PH in mid 44?!?!
What is the victory point situation? Is not PH is worth 3000points?

After Pearl Rader could load up and head to San Fran...

Oh, I'll be welcome him so...i just need some of those emergency reinforcements divisions...

Seriously...he could try...yes...but i really don't see how can he do that untill my CVs are afloat... i have 14 CVs and 10 CVLs roaming around

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:31:52 PM

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what is the VP score?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:34:24 PM

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quote:

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what is the VP score?

Something like 51k for Japan and 46k for the allies

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:38:14 PM

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The more i think of it the more i'm sure Rader is up to something....i dont believe that he's not trying to interdict me in any way.... where is his fleet? What is he orchestrating? a counterinvasion somewhere else!? But where...which could be his targets? India is out of question... Oz?...the same i think...
The Solomons and NG are well guarded and well defended...

The only place i see where he could try something cray is PH... but can you really imagine to invade PH in mid 44?!?!

It is hard to imagine that Rader would plan anything other than a move to defeat your invasion. Right now, you could lose Pearl Harbor and it would not alter his strategic problem in Northern Japan. I can only see him moving to attack Hokkaido or your supply lines. Nothing else makes sense or will benefit him. You can turn over all of OZ and India to him now and he will still lose the game if you are allowed to bomb his industry.

Once you think you are secure enough in the North, I suggest a move to threaten his oil production. If you capture Siboret Island and a few surrounding islands for support then you will have a level 9 airfield and your bombers will be in range to all the DEI oilfields. Rader will have no choice but to remove fighters from Japan to defend his oil fields. If he does not then he will be faced with another dilemma. The denial of DEI oil means slow starvation for the Japanese economy anyways. He can choose his poison..

One other thing, I have yet to find any difference between normal fighters and night fighters in night actions. You will be just as well served using the smaller British and Aussie squadrons as night fighters as you would any designated night fighter unit. Basically any unit on night patrol will not shoot down much but will turn un-escorted bombers away and lessen the effect of the ones that do bomb. P39s are good for this as well.

And this begs the question that I really don't know. Once in range of Japan's industry what targets are the most efficient to bomb? That is, what key industry should be hit first-refineries, resources, manpower, factories or shipyards. What do you think fanboys?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:43:18 PM

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Don't over-rely on CVEs to cover convoys, they tend to go up like torches when hit. Two kami hits is usually enough to sink them......

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 3:48:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: crsutton

One other thing, I have yet to find any difference between normal fighters and night fighters in night actions. You will be just as well served using the smaller British and Aussie squadrons as night fighters as you would any designated night fighter unit. Basically any unit on night patrol will not shoot down much but will turn un-escorted bombers away and lessen the effect of the ones that do bomb. P39s are good for this as well.

This was addressed in a recent patch, but I do not have personal experience with the results. Perhaps someone who does would comment?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 6:23:45 PM

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April 11, 12 1944

A fast and brief update...very little time today.

We made our first skirmish against his troops north of Hakkodate...2200 AVs...nearly 100k men...

In NG Rader set up a little counteroffensive. The 1st Guards Div attacked, after an heavy air bombing conducted by 140 Helens, a NZ bde, pushing her Back towards the coast. We're sending the 27th US Division to deal with those buggers. Rader lost 26 helens due to my badly coordinated leaky CAP (no Radar with the NZ bde---)

We landed at Toyahara and we got badly disabled by the little preparation we had...but tomorrow we're gonna attack no matter what.

No Kami today...

Tomorrow, thanks to NY59, we're gonna hit Harbin with 180 4Es...

Moving 3000 AVs to Okkaido in these hours...

Morning Air attack on 12th NZ Brigade, at 97,127 , near Salamaua

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 63
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 42

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 2
P-38J Lightning x 5
P-39N1 Airacobra x 2
P-40N5 Warhawk x 3
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 14
F6F-3 Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

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Ground combat at 97,127 (near Salamaua)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 18719 troops, 169 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 709

Defending force 1799 troops, 34 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Japanese adjusted assault: 329

Allied adjusted defense: 151

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
537 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
375 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 10 (4 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
Maizuru 2nd SNLF
1st Guards Division
26th Engineer Regiment
I/66th Naval Guard Unit
30th Field AA Machinecannon Company
19th Field AA Machinecannon Company

Defending units:
12th NZ Brigade

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Amphibious Assault at Toyohara (124,46)

TF 2 troops unloading over beach at Toyohara, 124,46

Allied ground losses:
916 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 179 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 62 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 92 (1 destroyed, 91 disabled)
Vehicles lost 70 (1 destroyed, 69 disabled)

105mm M2 Howitzer damaged beyond repair during unload of 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div /1
Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div /3
5 troops of a US MMG Section lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Marine Div /3
13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 43 lost in surf during unload of 1st Marine Div /4
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 1st Marine Div /6
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 1st Marine Div /7

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Ground combat at Toyohara (124,46)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8679 troops, 153 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 315

Defending force 21092 troops, 412 guns, 490 vehicles, Assault Value = 939

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
77th Div /1
Karafuto Mixed Brigade
1st Mobile Bde /1

Defending units:
1st Marine Div /8
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
34th Combat Engineer Regiment
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div /8
XIV US Corps
134th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
147th Field Artillery Regiment

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Ground combat at 119,52 (near Hakodate)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1732 troops, 133 guns, 128 vehicles, Assault Value = 1853

Defending force 65342 troops, 419 guns, 80 vehicles, Assault Value = 2250

Japanese ground losses:
214 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
209th Combat Engineer Battalion
93rd Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
5th USMC Tank Battalion
7th Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
9th Australian Division
33rd Medium Regiment
XIV Corps Artillery
181st Field Artillery Regiment
Eighth US Army
148th Field Artillery Battalion
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XXI Indian Corps

Defending units:
1st Mobile Brigade
III./124th Infantry Battalion
III/84th Naval Guard Unit
2nd Amphibious Bde /1
43rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
57th Depot Division
I/19th Naval Guard Unit
86th Division
77th Division
2nd Depot Division
56th Depot Division
II./4th Infantry Battalion
51st Depot Division
Guards Depot Division
81st Division
11th Div /1
5th Area Army

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Ground combat at Wakkanai (122,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9800 troops, 211 guns, 205 vehicles, Assault Value = 389

Defending force 1281 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Allied adjusted assault: 89

Japanese adjusted defense: 25

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Wakkanai !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
412 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 17 (15 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
40th Infantry Division

Defending units:
Soya Fortress

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 9:37:56 PM

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Those depot divisions are lousy troops. Low morale and poor equipment. Sort of like Chinese divisions. Home guard basically.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 9:38:36 PM

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Don't over-rely on CVEs to cover convoys, they tend to go up like torches when hit. Two kami hits is usually enough to sink them......

Wrong,

They sink so damn quick they have little chance to act as a torch

BUT,

Having about 100 CAP up over a convoy can be a deterrant or make it expensive to try.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 9:41:43 PM

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The most remarkable part of Greyjoy's Northern Invasion is not its target or the misdirection campaign, not even Greyjoy's SigInt analyzis that enabled it, but his courage and determination in pursuing his objective. As far as I can see, not many players have enough mental fortitude to bet the entire game on a semi-blind deep invasion, based on information that will inevitably be dated by the time troops hit the beaches. Particularly when lured with the perspective of a near-inevitable eventual win through low-risk means. I know that I probably don't. Seeing as Greyjoy is a first-time player, I can only salute him and his progress.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 9:41:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

quote:

ORIGINAL: crsutton

One other thing, I have yet to find any difference between normal fighters and night fighters in night actions. You will be just as well served using the smaller British and Aussie squadrons as night fighters as you would any designated night fighter unit. Basically any unit on night patrol will not shoot down much but will turn un-escorted bombers away and lessen the effect of the ones that do bomb. P39s are good for this as well.

This was addressed in a recent patch, but I do not have personal experience with the results. Perhaps someone who does would comment?

I find the NF work OK, over okinawa my P61 usually claim 1 victory and 2-3 damaged out of a raid of 20+. Lots of raids turn around as well without loss. Given AI carried & ground RADAR this seems reasonable. I havent had many P61 shot down which is fair given the poor defensive armaments and lack of RADAR in the IJAAF bombers.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 9:44:22 PM

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I find the NF work OK, over okinawa my P61 usually claim 1 victory and 2-3 damaged out of a raid of 20+. Lots of raids turn around as well without loss. Given AI carried & ground RADAR this seems reasonable. I havent had many P61 shot down which is fair given the poor defensive armaments and lack of RADAR in the IJAAF bombers.

Try Beaufighters or anything with heavy armament really, you'll see that they are no less effective. Although the last might have fixed that.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/3/2011 9:58:27 PM

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quote:

Having about 100 CAP up over a convoy can be a deterrant or make it expensive to try.

Well it they won't stop the KB, but it will keep those long range Betty's at bay and will allow you to take more direct routes. Between those the LBA, you should have few problems except the KB

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 3:13:54 AM

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Princep Bolton rose ponderously from his lofty perch, sword in hand. Recently cleaned and polished, the sword glimmered in the light. Before him knelt a handsome, if somewhat battered, young man in grey and black with white highlites. On his tunic was the image of a great sea kraken lunging at a floundering ship of war. His helm rested under his arm and his fair haired head was bowed. The room, though filled to overflowing with all the members of the forum, was utterly silent.

Bolton lifted the gleamming sword and lightly touched it to the young man's right shoulder. He proclaimed, " I, PrincepBolton, dub ye, Greyjoy of the Iron Isles, a knight of Dreadfort. No more will you be called anything other than Ser Greyjoy of Dreadfort. You shall have all the rights of noble knighthood and enjoy the new lands I have bequeathed to you and your future heirs. Arise great warrior and rejoice with your peers and people".

The great room burst into tumultous cheers for the conqueror of the Kuriles. It was duly noted that princepBolton smiled and then steered his new knight to a great table occupied by the best ladies, heaped high with the bounty of empire and served by the most fetching of wenches.

And a good time was had by all.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 4:00:22 AM

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Well done, Ser GJ. How many fingers and toes do you still possess?

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 7:36:28 AM

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Dang..this is quite a turn around.

Wait...I get it...you were only PRETENDING to get your ass kicked in India!!

Bloody good show.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 9:19:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FatR

The most remarkable part of Greyjoy's Northern Invasion is not its target or the misdirection campaign, not even Greyjoy's SigInt analyzis that enabled it, but his courage and determination in pursuing his objective. As far as I can see, not many players have enough mental fortitude to bet the entire game on a semi-blind deep invasion, based on information that will inevitably be dated by the time troops hit the beaches. Particularly when lured with the perspective of a near-inevitable eventual win through low-risk means. I know that I probably don't. Seeing as Greyjoy is a first-time player, I can only salute him and his progress.

fortunately, GJ gained invaluable amph-ops knowledge during the early defensive phase of this campaign - he suffered an incredible IJHQ expansion, learned how to survive (at Tulagi, stalemating the invaders), then learned how to emerge victorious (at Dutch Harbor, throwing them back into the sea).

he learned how to plan, execute & support successful offensive amph-ops in the Solomons, then scaled-up by a factor of 10 for the Hokkaido invasion. it's just nearly incredible to me how well this op has proceeded - nearly w/o flaw operationally, & perfect as strategy - 1st the assault units, then the supplies, baseforces & engrs, then the LBA sqns - ntm the fuel, fleet-auxiliaries and seaplane recon sqns.

also that GJ's phib shipping & CVTFs suffered no losses, & are free to retire, repair, reload, then launch an exploding arrow into a target of choice. w/ a secure strat-bomber base in Hokkaido, GJ is free to conduct attrition warfare along any path he might choose.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 10:22:19 AM

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hi GJ,

now you're starting to feel your way into strat-bombing, & by HR this must be >20k?

so don't go for city/firestorm attacks (you'll need 3-400 bombers), attack airframe factories & HI specifically. but imo it's better to attack AFs (& ports when needed), close his airfields & destroy planes on the ground. don't spend your PPs transferring bomber groups to a specific HQ - but do spend PPs to buy the best commanders to captain the AirHQ units in range of your bomber bases. minimize your fighter escorts & sweeps - LRcap the enemy base instead. mind your fatigue levels carefully, keep your bomber sqns at 50% rest 'til you've built up overwhelming force. switch between targets & altitudes to keep enemy interceptors guessing.

as you begin your strat campaign, find a system that that does damage, but allows you to replace lost airframes, so that your air strength icresases over time.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 1:10:31 PM

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Two intensive turns

April 13, 14 1944

We conquered Toyohara, after a huge ground bombing attack made by our 2Es based at bihoro.
The invasion force is immediately re-loaded, heading for Okkaido.

At Harbin our city bombing went very good...no opposition found...we lit up a lot of fires...hope this is enough to get out his industries...

We sent a lot of DMS to deal with the mines at Hakodate...we have been punished by his CD guns there...gotta admit that i don't have a clue to stop the seabridge...between mines and GD guns that strait seems unaffordable for me...

His nitght air naval attacks continue...so far my NF squadrons have managed to keep the buggers away from my major ships...

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TF 19 encounters mine field at Hakodate (119,53) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

329 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Elliot, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Emmons, Shell hits 12, heavy fires
DMS Ellyson, Shell hits 7, on fire
DMS Forrest, Shell hits 8, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Howard, Shell hits 5
DMS Palmer, Shell hits 4
DMS Perry, Shell hits 6
DMS Lamberton, Shell hits 2
DMS Southard

72 mines cleared

We then bombed Paramushiro...just to keep him honest there.....
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Night Naval bombardment of Paramushiro-jima at 137,47 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15-II Babs: 2 damaged
Ki-15-II Babs: 2 destroyed on ground

42 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 3
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho

Japanese ground losses:
235 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 35
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 2
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Hakodate at 119,53, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Gyoyu Maru, Shell hits 59, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Tatsukari Maru, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT-456
PT-488
PT-489
PT-490
PT-491

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Hakodate at 119,53, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Mitsu Maru #3, Shell hits 1
xAKL Shinnan Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAKL Nitiyu Maru, Shell hits 4
xAKL Kaishi Maru
xAKL Suez Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAKL Shoryu Maru, Shell hits 3
xAKL Daiju Maru
xAKL Yuki Maru, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Etashima Maru
xAK Daijo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT-457
PT-458
PT-459, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

We sunk some enemy xAKLs...but nothing serious...his LBs keep on moving up and down...

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Ground combat at Toyohara (124,46)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22835 troops, 412 guns, 490 vehicles, Assault Value = 961

Defending force 8561 troops, 148 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 308

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 862

Japanese adjusted defense: 123

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Toyohara !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1310 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 144 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 35 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 89 (73 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
153 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 28 disabled

Assaulting units:
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
34th Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Marine Division
134th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
147th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
Karafuto Mixed Brigade
77th Div /1
1st Mobile Bde /1

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Morning Air attack on Harbin , at 109,39

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 160
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 24

No Allied losses

Ki-44-IIc Tojo factory hits 17
Manpower hits 329
Fires 124440

April 15, 16 1944

We then decided it was time to try his defences north of Hakkodate...
We sent one of the major allied air bombing effort of the whole war against his 5th Area Army...preceeded by a owfull coordinated sweep of 200 Corsairs...(the biggest group was composed of 18 corsairs

).
Then the attack...didn't go that well but we killed many japs and our causalities are for the most part disabled...in 4 days we'll be ready to start a bran new attack with some fresh troops!

During the night of the 15th two bombardment TFs reached unseen Hachinohe (south of Ominato) and plastered the air base there....not bad! the new ports in the south of Okkaido will become very usefull in the nearby future...

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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 46 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 7 destroyed on ground
D4Y1-C Judy: 41 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 69 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 8 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 26 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BC Renown
CA Exeter
CA Louisville
CA Portland
CL Denver

Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Manpower hits 7
Resources hits 1
Fires 2875
Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 54
Port hits 14
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 3

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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 9 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 56 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 7 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 9 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y1-C Judy: 2 damaged
D4Y1-C Judy: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
DD Endicott
DD Doyle
DD Carmick
DD Satterlee
DD Twining
DD Tingey
DD The Sullivans
DD Abner Read
DD Radford
DD Halsey Powell
DD Stephen Potter

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Manpower hits 6
A6M3 Zero factory hits 2
Resources hits 1
Fires 3890
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 24
Port hits 11
Port fuel hits 5

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Morning Air attack on II./4th Infantry Battalion, at 119,52 , near Hakodate

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington GR.XIII x 9
B-24J Liberator x 105
B-25C Mitchell x 24
B-25D1 Mitchell x 27
B-25G Mitchell x 21
B-25H Mitchell x 27
F4U-1 Corsair x 44
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 14
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 44
PV-1 Ventura x 45

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
1159 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 137 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 23 (2 destroyed, 21 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Depot Division, at 119,52 , near Hakodate

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington GR.XIII x 3
B-24J Liberator x 121
B-25C Mitchell x 23
B-25D1 Mitchell x 38
B-25G Mitchell x 44
B-25H Mitchell x 36
F4U-1 Corsair x 52
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 22
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 43
PV-1 Ventura x 57

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
2145 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 145 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 37 (5 destroyed, 32 disabled)

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Ground combat at 119,52 (near Hakodate)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 74694 troops, 1517 guns, 1933 vehicles, Assault Value = 2870

Defending force 63450 troops, 424 guns, 80 vehicles, Assault Value = 2128

Allied adjusted assault: 1267

Japanese adjusted defense: 2655

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2470 casualties reported
Squads: 151 destroyed, 201 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 27 (14 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
5400 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 287 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 99 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 88 disabled
Guns lost 98 (2 destroyed, 96 disabled)
Vehicles lost 62 (6 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Assaulting units:
38th Infantry Division
7th Infantry Division
209th Combat Engineer Battalion
754th Tank Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
5th USMC Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
18th Combat Engineer Regiment
8th Indian Division
93rd Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
9th Australian Division
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Regiment
XIV Corps Artillery
33rd Medium Regiment
Eighth US Army
XXI Indian Corps

Defending units:
77th Division
III./124th Infantry Battalion
I/19th Naval Guard Unit
2nd Amphibious Bde /1
2nd Depot Division
1st Mobile Brigade
III/84th Naval Guard Unit
51st Depot Division
86th Division
43rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
56th Depot Division
Guards Depot Division
57th Depot Division
81st Division
11th Div /1
5th Area Army
II./4th Infantry Battalion

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 1:48:33 PM

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With your airpower & fresh troops, it won't take you too long to clear that roadblock - he's going to lose about a Division a day (in effectiveness).

With respect to closing the barge-bridge, PTs & low-altitude airstrikes are going to be key, along with mass attacks against the port facilities.

I believe Rader is overestimating the abilities of the troops he's moving into the theater & underestimating the capabilities of 1944 Allied troops (especially the armor). I don't think he has a prayer of stopping you from securing the entire island within the next few weeks.

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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY - 12/4/2011 3:53:21 PM

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I am with Paullus here. Constant air attacks not only kill troops but sap morale as well. Just keep grinding him down and the job will get done.

GJ are you using those massive US Corp engineering brigades? They are magnificent...

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