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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 5:14:33 PM

paulkenny

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how does the japanese player get so many planes up in the air? I can get the production, given a sole minded drive to build planes, but how does he get so many planes flying? How does he increase the size of his sentais etc?

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 5:16:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

I'll paraphrase Stalin to you,
quote:

A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths but a statistic.

As a Soviet I'd say that right now is the time to spend your men and materiel in order to achieve strategically decisive goals. If it costs you 10,000 pilots then so be it.

You are, now, at that point in time where you can trade a short period of higher operational tempo and losses for a much, much longer period of lower operational tempo and losses per unit time but, overall, higher losses.

Basically you are in the situation of Montgomery in 1944 in North-Western Europe where he simply couldn't sustain high losses per unit time but COULD sustain much higher losses spread over a long period such that losses per unit time were less. This is the logistical necessity which drove the disagreement between focused thrust vs broad front advances --- and not that egomania crap bad researchers always reach for as an easy answer.

Bottom line: Those pilots aren't your friends. They are assets to be expended in the achievement of worthwhile goals. Hell, even if they were all your friends it'd still be your job to send them to their deaths in order to achieve national policy objectives.

You stoneheart!

I know you are right and i'm slowly changing my mind...but i hope you may understand my feelings...i've been following those guys and their improvements every day for nearly 1 year of RL...and nearly 900 turns of gameplay...i'm seen them struggle to remain alive during the dark days of Karachi and the Battle of India....i've seen them fighting for long months in the skies of Solomons...i've plauded at their achievements and i wept at every loss... They are not my friends, you're right....but they are my band...my crew and it's never an easy job to send your mates to death...even when you have to.

But i know i have to. And i will. It's my job. It's my duty. It's for an upper and worth goal.

Nemo has a good point. You can probably start winning air battles with lesser pilots because I doubt very seriously if Rader can match you in pilot quality any more. I would focus on using lesser exp pilots and not worry about losses-even to your aces. Don't worry about diluting your pools because you are diluting his pools much faster, and a 55 exp pilot in a corsair is better than a 55 exp pilot in a George. More important to the Allies is air frames which for me seem to be short even in 1944. But by expending pilots and bombers now you are killing Japanese air frames, both existing and potential. It must be done.

You no longer need your ace of aces squadrons. It is a waste of resources now. Disperse them into other groups, send a few deserving favorites to Tracom and let the rest fight. The Allies actually were faced with this same situation in 44/45. The air groups were expanding at a tremendous rate forcing them to dilute the pilot pools and use a lot of green pilots. In the end, it did not matter much as they just saturated the air with planes, and pilots were just a commodity to be spent.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 5:26:04 PM

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despite the high rate of production, is too high to be kept).

There is a high rate of production for the P47s, but only for a few (6?) months. Then you have to wait for the P51 production to kick in for a credible replacement. I would be careful with the P47s. ymmv

Yes, I call this the P47 gap..

Production actually comes to a screeching halt after only 4 months. I guess this is due to the demands of the European invasion. It can be a problem as for a while, Allied fighter production takes a big hit. This halt of P47 production comes at a time when the P40 goes off line (60 fighters a month) so it represents a big hit in Army fighters. The loss is gradually made up with the Brit P47 coming on line (40), Australian corsairs, (25) P38L (80). However, it is not enough to make up for the loss of the Jug-the best Allied fighter. Finally, in late 44 the Allies start to get scads of corsairs and the D model Mustang and then it gets a whole lot better. However, the temptation is to use up those P47s when an astute Allied player might want to save a few for a rainy day.

The P47 is actually gone for about 8 months or so when the N model comes on line in early 45. Funny how that works as the Brits continue to get a constant flow. However, the N model is worth the wait. It is scary fast....

The thing I have always hated about scen 2 is the rigid Allied production schedules.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 5:43:10 PM

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Hi guys....always hard to catch up with all your comments

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Yes, i'm trying to save my aces and diluite them into several squadrons so to have a good average among every squadron in the front lines.

Yes...P-47s will become a luxury very soon...i know...but i need them right now in order to burn as many japanese factories as possible. The Ki-83 is my primary goal cause i think Rader has accelerated it already and i don't wanna face it. As soon as we get most of the KI-83 production out of the equation we'll be able to concentrate on other targets (Shindens and jet fighters).

Anyway...when the P-47D25 will be out of production?

About Rader's pools...sincerly i don't know...he has shown me many times his ability to replace his losses without any problem so i think all our assumptions about Japan running out of pilots/planes have been and are totally wrong. It's far better to stick on our targets and concentrate on our own problems

A carrier division is spotted near Aukland...wonder what is he looking there???

Tomorrow we'll bomb Nagaoka (2 hexes north of Tokyo, 1 hex north of Meabashi).
We'll bomb the KI-83 (51) factory there and two KI-201 research factories.
200 P-47D25 and 100 P-47D2 will sweep, while 100 Corsairs will LRCAP. No escort this time.

This is the closest a/c factory to Hakkodate...the "easiest" possible target....

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 6:18:12 PM

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May 25, 26 1944

Rader badly wants to evacuate Russell.... after having sent several PBs and xAKLs that got sunk now he sent a fast transport TF with 2 CAs and 1 CL...they suprised my DD division based at Tulagi and managed to sink the CL Detroit in a one way engagement... his LRCAP from Shortland prevented my SDBs to get close enough and we ended the day with only 1 enemy DD badly damaged (probably sunk ) and with 1 CL and one DD short...not a good day. His CAs already left after having evacuated most of the combat units from russell...

Well...i won't weep...my defences aren't that strong anymore in SOPAC and that was nearly the bext i could do...

40 Oscars Kamikaze attacked my ships at Munda...at least half of them got killed and the other missed the targets...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Panggoe at 112,132, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Chokai, Shell hits 1
CL Tenryu
DD Okinami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Hayashio
DD Arashi, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Kosukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Yamanakaze

Allied Ships
CL Detroit, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Meredith, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hammann
DD Craven, Shell hits 1
DD Lang
DD Wilson
DD Voyager
DD Arunta

Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Tanaka, Raizo crosses the 'T'

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Munda at 111,134

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 25

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 8
Kittyhawk III x 6
Spitfire Vc Trop x 7
Spitfire VIII x 4
P-38H Lightning x 7
P-39N1 Airacobra x 2
P-40N5 Warhawk x 16
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 7
P-51A Mustang x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 1
F4U-1A Corsair x 6
F6F-3 Hellcat x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 15 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Gambia
DD Aylwin
DD Clark

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rekata Bay at 112,135

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
A-24B Banshee x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-24B Banshee: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Chokai
DD Hayashio, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Poor detroit...she finally ended her career...she fought bravely throughtout the whole war and she got mauled many times...but she always was able to get back into action....this time her luck was over and the proud ship has found her death...very close to Yamato and Haruna's graves

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 6:18:50 PM

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two days of severe storms prevented any possible mission in Central Japan....

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 8:04:01 PM

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what does "careful" mean

I put my best pilots in P47 squadrons, in fact, I prepare these squadrons months in advance of the arrival of the P47D25. I try to restrict their operation to sweeps at 42k and I stand down the squadrons when fatigue gets above 25 or so. Generally I sweep targets for a few days before bombing.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 8:54:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: khyberbill

quote:

what does "careful" mean

I put my best pilots in P47 squadrons, in fact, I prepare these squadrons months in advance of the arrival of the P47D25. I try to restrict their operation to sweeps at 42k and I stand down the squadrons when fatigue gets above 25 or so. Generally I sweep targets for a few days before bombing.

That seems like a plan .. what I was thinking was the concept of saving these assest because they are limited .. right now there is no better oppournity to crush the IJ ..

I see GreyJoy is very concerned that Rader can keep this level of offense up forever . and as Nemo has pointed out in postings .. there is a game limit of the total number of pilots .. a good look at the losses and a WitP Tracker of a non "MP" game and one can see where that limit might be ..I would think now is the time to kill as many pilots as possible using as Nemo suggested .. ..

The IJ have to plan out their usage to last until '46 .. it is clear Rader has not done so and a limit exists ..Michealm will not be changing this very soon since his laptop went defunct :)

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 9:01:50 PM

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Michealm will not be changing this very soon since his laptop went defunct :)

Well that about does it for me. We are all spending way too much time on this AAR and every possible nuance mapped out. I have Christmas shopping to do, a couple of good football games coming up and I am checking this AAR every hour. I am worthless and weak.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 10:53:02 PM

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Michealm will not be changing this very soon since his laptop went defunct :)

Well that about does it for me. We are all spending way too much time on this AAR and every possible nuance mapped out. I have Christmas shopping to do, a couple of good football games coming up and I am checking this AAR every hour. I am worthless and weak.

ahhahaha! I'm glad you have been sucked so much in here

Ok guys, changed again target. Nagaoka will wait. We spotted Hiroshima with what seem to be very little defences.... it's clearly out of P-47 and Corsairs range (16 hexes) but enough for my P-38s. 100 of them will sweep, followed by 400 4Es. Targets are the Shinden R&R factory and manpower. Let's see if i can make some collateral damages.... If my recon isn't mistaken only 55 fighters are actually based there with the closest weel defended city being Osaka...so it's possible that CAP won't be so deadly....my P-47s will wait for another raid. In the meanwhile CAP and rest for them

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/11/2011 11:21:35 PM

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The key is draining his supply so he doesn't have the ability to repair his airframe factories that you are systematically damaging. It looks like a Honshu invasion may be necessary, and sooner is better than later as he scrambles to bring the boys home.

Keep up the good work, mi amigo!

Cheers,
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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 12:15:42 AM

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Thx CC...i'll do my best!

A bad turn in SOPAC and a good turn in NOPAC...

May 27, 28 1944

We tried to follow the retreating enemy CAs...we sent on their heels 3 different TFs... the first made up around CL Gambia managed to engage near Torobika...despite the perfect positioning (T crossed) and the closing range, we weren't able to score any significant damage...and the CAs went away without a scratch almost...

Then our TF composed around CA Australia (one of my fav ships) found a Barge TF and lost so much time in sinking all of them than when the day came out they were still near Torobika without air cover....48 Judys took off from Rabaul and scored 4 bombes on CA Australia....she sunk the following night

...so depressed...lost 2 Cruisers in 2 turns for no gain at all....damned Japanese CAs!!!!!!

In Japan our idea of hitting Hiroshima was a winning one!
Our P-38s did a decent job against very little CAP...then our 4Es arrived and set the whole city afire, destroying the R&R Shinden factory with very little damage on our side!...now Rader knows that he has to protect his cities even if beyond the P-47s Range

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Buka at 108,129, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Chokai, Shell hits 1
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Kosukaze
DD Yamanakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
CL Gambia, Shell hits 2
DD Fullam
DD McKee, Shell hits 1
DD Dunlap
DD Conyngham
DD Clark
DD Aylwin, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Reduced sighting due to 28% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 28% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 12,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Ennis V. crosses the 'T'

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Buka at 108,129, Range 28,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMc Wa 1, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AMc Wa 8, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
AMc Wa 17, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AM Wa 103, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AM Wa 105, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AMc Atsu Maru, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-503, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LB-504, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-505, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-506, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-507, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-508, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-509, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-510, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-513, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-516, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
LB-517, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-518, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-519, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LB-521, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-522, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-523, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-524, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LB-525, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LB-5053, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
SC Ch 35, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
SC Ch 40, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
SC Ch 46, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Australia
DD Chevalier
DD LaVallette
DD Nicholas
DD Terry
DD Lamson
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Buka at 108,129

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 32

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 11 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CA Australia, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Chevalier
DD Terry
DD LaVallette
DD Lamson

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Buka at 108,129

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 32

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 5 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CA Australia, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Terry
DD Nicholas
DD LaVallette
DD Chevalier

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Morning Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 25

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 49
B-24J Liberator x 290
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 18
J7W1 Shinden factory hits 14
Fires 10080

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Morning Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 11
N1K1-J George x 12
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Manpower hits 9
Fires 16250

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Morning Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
N1K1-J George x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

J7W1 Shinden factory hits 1
Fires 14125

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Morning Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58 *again coordination sucks!...the sweeps arrived after the bombers....*

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 3
N1K1-J George x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 9

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 12:27:26 AM

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Ok...i just found out that i'm losing 65 PPs every turn and i'll probably lose lot more.... 4 ships due to withdraw....and they are 10000 miles from the closest withdrawal port

.... f*** i was too focused on the strat bombing thing that i lost the touch of the logistic problems.... f*************

Ok...what should i do? I have a brit CA in Hokkaido... better to send her in a suicidal task and have her sunk or to make her do the trip back to SF?

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 12:34:28 AM

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Ok, let's look at the positive side....we've just burnt Hiroshima and slowed down the Shindens research. The Ki-83 production has been truly harmed. If my calculations are correct i still have 2 KI-83 industries to wipe out, plus those already damaged at Maebashi...
Then it will be time for the KI-84 and the shindens...

In the meanwhile....plans for invading Honshu are taking shape. I still need to get those damned convoys back to the Kuriles first but then we'll be ready to really start the preliminaries

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 1:11:32 AM

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Ok...what should i do? I have a brit CA in Hokkaido... better to send her in a suicidal task and have her sunk or to make her do the trip back to SF?

Bombard mission to Yokohama will do the trick

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 1:26:04 AM

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CA Australia didn't sink!!!! for the first time the synch bug brought me something gooooood!!!

�she's in bad shape but she should make it

Yet the raid over Hiroshima went even better than expected...fires were over 25k!!! and we actually bombed the city for 2 days instead of the only one shown in the replay

No clue where the KB is...no radio message...nada de nada

Result from the last strat bombing turn is really good....look at the 4es losses!

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 1:28:57 AM

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Are you planning on going toe to toe with the KB? Also, I would invade Japan just to say you did haha.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 1:41:24 AM

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Also, I would invade Japan just to say you did haha

He already did

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 1:45:02 AM

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You're going to get ashore, that's not a problem. If you pick some clear terrain, your armor is going to win the day.

The strategic bombing results are great - it is going to show Rader that the game is up as far as his defense goes - doesn't seem like he'll be able to put up enough fighters to make a difference. Keep up the great work.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 1:54:48 AM

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Also, I would invade Japan just to say you did haha

He already did

Honshu***

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 3:39:26 AM

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Nice bombing attack. I was like a free one with no bombers lost. It hurts to lose a couple of cruisers but you are doing damage to Rader that he can't afford. He is in a very bad situation.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 4:34:25 AM

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Keep plugging away, find another gap and hit it.

You will soon learn rader cant have "thousands" of defenders everywhere.

As you have admitted, your eyes are on your bombing campaign, again, write a list of evrything to do each turn including LRCAPPING your TF's, dont get lazy or you might find rader finding a gap in your deployments while you are transfixed on your next bomber raid.

You mentioned a rest, you need to manage your Sqns so that you should have at least 2/3rds flying just about every day. Dont let rader get a breather, your "rest period" plus bad weather might give him a week especially with 2 day turns.

Hopefully by now you are threatening Hollandia, Aitape, Akyab and Mandalay or at least planning to do so. You cant let him pull out too many troops to get back to the HI.

Have you got any subs out there other than around Nth Honshu & Hokkaido? Can they set up some traps for KB as at sometime its gotta go and refuel!

Plus LCU sunk on the way to Honshu are easier to get than once they are behind L9 forts (I wonder if rader has only recently began building forts, de he save on the supply cost previously??)

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 6:33:21 AM

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Are you planning on going toe to toe with the KB? Also, I would invade Japan just to say you did haha.

Well i think that if manage to engage the KB far away from his LBA i say yes, this is the right time to do so imho.

Cannot deny that being able to say "I sieged Tokyo" is something that really makes me hard

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 6:43:40 AM

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Keep plugging away, find another gap and hit it.

You will soon learn rader cant have "thousands" of defenders everywhere.

As you have admitted, your eyes are on your bombing campaign, again, write a list of evrything to do each turn including LRCAPPING your TF's, dont get lazy or you might find rader finding a gap in your deployments while you are transfixed on your next bomber raid.

You mentioned a rest, you need to manage your Sqns so that you should have at least 2/3rds flying just about every day. Dont let rader get a breather, your "rest period" plus bad weather might give him a week especially with 2 day turns.

Hopefully by now you are threatening Hollandia, Aitape, Akyab and Mandalay or at least planning to do so. You cant let him pull out too many troops to get back to the HI.

Have you got any subs out there other than around Nth Honshu & Hokkaido? Can they set up some traps for KB as at sometime its gotta go and refuel!

Plus LCU sunk on the way to Honshu are easier to get than once they are behind L9 forts (I wonder if rader has only recently began building forts, de he save on the supply cost previously??)

Don't know Jeff...i'm trying to keep the pressure up in SOPAC but i have to admitt that i had to stretch so much my offensive assets that i fear i don't have the means to materially threaten him anywhere else. My defences are strong, mind you, and i'm prettu sure i cannot lose anymore ground anywhere on the map, but as far as it goes about conquering lands in anything else than NOPAC....i think i'm not up to the task.

Same goes for subs. They are needed to protect my interior lines and, as i said, Rader ASW is very very strong...i'm reluctant to send more subs to a sure death with very little chance of achieving any result...
With my actual defensive posture (CVEs with my convoys , CVs in a fast reaction hunting role and subs+ picket TFs) i think i'm able to respond to any direct threat posed by the KB against my major supply routes.

My Tanks are winning the day in clear hex you say Paullus...well i think it will all depends on how many troops Rader is able to send against me...but one thing is sure...it0s going to be fun! Rader this time will have to send everything he has against me...both on the seas and in the air...Should be the mother of all battles...LBAs vs LBAs, BBs vs BBs, CVs vs CVs...

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 7:10:55 AM

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May 29, 30 1944

Another turn in the belly.
Today our 4Es rested, while our 2Es mauled Ominato port and AF facilities.
Our navy bombed Aikita while his KB remained in the shades...

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Night Naval bombardment of Akita at 117,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     J1N1-C Irving: 5 damaged

122 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
     BC Renown
     CA Exeter
     CA Louisville
     CA Portland
     CL Denver
     DD Uhlmann
     DD William Porter
     DD Picking
     DD McCord, Shell hits 1
     DD Marshall
     DD Luce, Shell hits 2
     DD Longshaw

Japanese ground losses:
     93 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 12 disabled
        Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Resources hits 3
Oil hits 1
Light Industry hits 1
Manpower hits 13
Fires 614
Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 110
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 6

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Allied aircraft
     Mosquito FB.VI x 6
     Wellington GR.XIII x 16
     B-25C Mitchell x 16
     B-25D1 Mitchell x 40
     B-25G Mitchell x 35
     B-25H Mitchell x 22
     F6F-3 Hellcat x 21
     PBJ-1D Mitchell x 30
     PV-1 Ventura x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
     E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
     ACM Zuiko Maru, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
     ACM Keinan Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
     LB-1233, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
     LB-555, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 99
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 3

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
     B-25H Mitchell x 23
     F6F-3 Hellcat x 14
     PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
     PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 14
Port hits 3

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Night Naval bombardment of Onnekotan-jima at 136,48 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

43 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
     BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 1
     BB Mississippi
     BB New Mexico
     BB Idaho
     BB Colorado

Japanese ground losses:
     444 casualties reported
        Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
        Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 55 disabled
        Engineers: 3 destroyed, 14 disabled
     Guns lost 19 (7 destroyed, 12 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Northern Honshu is left by Rader completel undefended in the air so our guys are having easy days over there...

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 9:21:23 AM

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hi GJ,

'grats on the success of your strat campaign so far. but you've got to find a tempo for each sqn (ops/rest %age) that keeps fatigue low & allows service-level 4/5 planes to be rebuilt. since you're restricted to high-fatigue ops at >20k, imo you won't be able to stabilize your 4Es at 50/50, but will have to continue to micro-manage each sqn, & decide between light/hvy days of strat-bomb action.

don't neglect to continue recon over destroyed factory centers such as Harbin, if you detect some factory rebuilds, you'll need to go in & bounce the rubble a bit. no doubt Rader will attempt to regenerate his factories to some extent, so keep an eye on them.

the 4 IJ bases in NE Honshu look to be low-hanging fruit for your next amph attack, grabbing them will be a nasty fight, but there's no doubt you can accomplish it w/o compromising your 4E campaign. it'll be slow (given that you're committed to owning the eastern Kuriles 1st), but once you get your LCUs ashore in the Ominato sector, you can gradually move your strat-attack redline to encompass most of Honshu.

best regards!

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 9:40:54 AM

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Ok...i just found out that i'm losing 65 PPs every turn and i'll probably lose lot more.... 4 ships due to withdraw....and they are 10000 miles from the closest withdrawal port.... f*** i was too focused on the strat bombing thing that i lost the touch of the logistic problems.... f*************

Ok...what should i do? I have a brit CA in Hokkaido... better to send her in a suicidal task and have her sunk or to make her do the trip back to SF?

Sacc them. It is not worth the massive amount of PP you lose. It will be only a small amount of VP which is it worth a 100 times. I would then suggest that you just start to move everything which is <= 100 days back to a big port where you can remove the ship. It is quite annoying if you have a sub somewhere in the nowhere which you have to remove. And if you need to lose a sub, send it somewhere where it gets damaged and then move it around with max speed. This will still take some turns till its lost but still better than paying a 40 days the PP penalty.

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 9:49:44 AM

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hi GJ,

'grats on the success of your strat campaign so far. but you've got to find a tempo for each sqn (ops/rest %age) that keeps fatigue low & allows service-level 4/5 planes to be rebuilt. since you're restricted to high-fatigue ops at >20k, imo you won't be able to stabilize your 4Es at 50/50, but will have to continue to micro-manage each sqn, & decide between light/hvy days of strat-bomb action.

don't neglect to continue recon over destroyed factory centers such as Harbin, if you detect some factory rebuilds, you'll need to go in & bounce the rubble a bit. no doubt Rader will attempt to regenerate his factories to some extent, so keep an eye on them.

the 4 IJ bases in NE Honshu look to be low-hanging fruit for your next amph attack, grabbing them will be a nasty fight, but there's no doubt you can accomplish it w/o compromising your 4E campaign. it'll be slow (given that you're committed to owning the eastern Kuriles 1st), but once you get your LCUs ashore in the Ominato sector, you can gradually move your strat-attack redline to encompass most of Honshu.

best regards!

Yes, i think the Ominato campaign will surely be bloody but also i think it's something that can be done. Will be slow at the beginning, but once we manage to get enough supplies into Hokkaido (wanna have 2,500,000 before starting the operation) i think we have enough firepower to be able to try

Next target will be Nagaoka, with 51 KI-83 producing and 102 KI-201 R&R. The base is very well defended and it has many strong airbases nearby (Tokyo today has 1100 fighters alone!!!). But the base is also pretty close to our major base (Hakkodate) and this will enable the Corsairs to LRCAP and even the P-47-D2 to sweep...which is a good thing.

I'm massing my B-29s...i have nearly 100 of them operative by now...in a couple of weeks i should be able to add them to the pounch, along with 100 more fighters that are now based at Addak Island.

Enemy subs spotted south of Uruppu Jima...that probably means Rader is trying one of his classic pack wolves missions...will tight my ASW lines and will keep a deep look at the ASW protection...

CV Franklin arrived today, along with BB Richelieu...BB Washington is operative again, while BB NOrth Carolina still needs a couple of weeks in the shipyard (they both were damaged during the battle against Yamato)

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 9:55:34 AM

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With the big jucy airfields, filled with lots of fighters, have you every considered some small night air attacks against the airfields ? Afaik you have a quite strict HR, so no massive strategic 4E attacks. But wouldn't your rule even allow lets say a 50 or so 4E do some night airfield attacks ? Or is there a HR against airfield attacks ?

Ahh and another point, especially for you B-24J. By now it is quite possible that you have quite a good stockpile of it (at least in my game thats the case). Add the 4 reserve planes to each bomber squads. Greatly increases the overall repair speed and the number of flyable planes if you use them and helps with your two day turns (which means two possible attacks).

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RE: HOkkaido conquered - 12/12/2011 10:46:43 AM

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again coordination sucks!...the sweeps arrived after the bombers..

A thought on this, and it's a long shot, Have you tried changing you fighter leaders to the ones with the highest Admin rating? Not sure what that rating does but maybe it's navigation and stuff.

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