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RE: DISASTER - 12/22/2011 6:46:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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Anyway....KB retired southwest and passed again over my subs....guess what? not a single contact

Somebody with experience chime in .. but I do not think the code checks for passing over the top of a submarine but rather it seems to check if a TF ends a phase in the same hex as a submarines. Thus sub's do not act as pickets in WitP AE but more as "land mines" [you have to step on them or land on them so to speak ] Thus, those 8 hexes away launch points are pretty critical to station submarines .. as well as places that teh KB would get away to at full and mission speeds ..

Just a thought but somebody who really knows what's going on inside the game might comment .. these are just my observations of 210 plus turns of play ..

mmmm....really? that is new to me....if it is so...i've been using my subs in the wrong way for more than 1000 turns

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:05:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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how is it possible that my fighters on the CVEs performed so badly?! they didn't even engage the raids...look at the first raid....10 fighters lost on each side and that's all.... the CVEs don't suffer the "sitting in base" penalty right?

Unless something has changed in the Betas, any CV, CVEs included, fly fewer planes if they are in a shore/base hex. Only the AI is immune.

As an aside - all of the "ammo explosion" messages are a good lesson for everyone who wants to use their CVEs as Combat Carriers...

Good luck -

I read somewhere that CVEs in shallow water fly at 100%operations. CV/CVLs are cut to 50% operational launch ability.
Another question GJ. What was the size of the CVE TF?
Should we try to keep the CVE TFs under ship size of 14? I recall something about a CV TF "effected by more than 14 ships".
What was the commanders naval/air rating?
And what is the name of the commander.
Please excuse me for being obsessive analytical.

guys, they changed this a long, long time ago. CVs of all types are reduced to 50% air operations ONLY in port hexes now, not in all coastal hexes like the old days.

There were 7 CVE TFs, each with less than 200 planes and with decent leaders (i checked every single TF!). CAP were everywehere between 40 and 50 with 10 rest at different altitudes (from 1000 to 36k). Each TF was composed of less than 16 ships (mostly DE and DDs)...i think my disposition was optimal in terms of CVTF composition...Also Uruppu has an Air HQ present....so i really think i only got a really bad dice and roll this time...not saying that with a decent dice and roll i would not have lost some CVEs...but at least his raids would have been fought back with more decision....while, as you can see from the combat replay, my fighters were busy doing acrobatics or whatever else when his waves arrived

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:06:51 PM

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Anyway....KB retired southwest and passed again over my subs....guess what? not a single contact

This may already have been mentioned earlier or something you are well aware of, but any chance your subs are set to remain on station rather than deployed in patrol mode? This could explain your lack of reactions, as my understanding is "remain on station" limits a submarine's ability to react.

< Message edited by SqzMyLemon -- 12/22/2011 7:09:27 PM >

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:10:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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Anyway....KB retired southwest and passed again over my subs....guess what? not a single contact

This may already have been mentioned earlier or something you are well aware of, but any chance your subs are set to remain on station rather than deployed in patrol mode? This could explain your lack of reactions, as my understanding is "remain on station" limits a submarine's ability to react.

Yes, remain on station cause i wanted to have every hex of the "sub-shield" covered...was it a mistake? seems so from your words....

Ok...i think i need to study some sub warfare a bit

Thx SqzMylemon (love your nickname btw!

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:16:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Anyway....KB retired southwest and passed again over my subs....guess what? not a single contact

This may already have been mentioned earlier or something you are well aware of, but any chance your subs are set to remain on station rather than deployed in patrol mode? This could explain your lack of reactions, as my understanding is "remain on station" limits a submarine's ability to react.

and my understanding the reaction is only one hex and it is not an interception per se .. that is TF lands on adjacent hex so submarine "moves" over to attack but unless somebody like Alfred comments I have yet to see any Circles of Apollonius algorithums at work and have a submarine even within the partol zone intercept a TF rather it is my observation the check is made after movement is completed and then a reaction phase occurs ..

I can say figuring out where stuff will "land" has increased my sub operation encouters extermely but it could just be randomness at work too ...

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RE: DISASTER - 12/22/2011 7:22:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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Anyway....KB retired southwest and passed again over my subs....guess what? not a single contact

Somebody with experience chime in .. but I do not think the code checks for passing over the top of a submarine but rather it seems to check if a TF ends a phase in the same hex as a submarines. Thus sub's do not act as pickets in WitP AE but more as "land mines" [you have to step on them or land on them so to speak ] Thus, those 8 hexes away launch points are pretty critical to station submarines .. as well as places that teh KB would get away to at full and mission speeds ..

Just a thought but somebody who really knows what's going on inside the game might comment .. these are just my observations of 210 plus turns of play ..

Not my understanding - they changed it in AE. Subs (and surface groups) can get you coming and going as well as where you end up. Don't recall the exact mechanics involved.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:33:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Anyway....KB retired southwest and passed again over my subs....guess what? not a single contact

This may already have been mentioned earlier or something you are well aware of, but any chance your subs are set to remain on station rather than deployed in patrol mode? This could explain your lack of reactions, as my understanding is "remain on station" limits a submarine's ability to react.

Yes, remain on station cause i wanted to have every hex of the "sub-shield" covered...was it a mistake? seems so from your words....

Ok...i think i need to study some sub warfare a bit

Thx SqzMylemon (love your nickname btw!)

GreyJoy,

I'd suggest trying patrol waypoints instead and see if that changes things for you. Just assign a hex to patrol like you did for remain on station and assign it however many days you want the sub to patrol that hex in the settings. I hope this will help, it can't hurt at least with your poor results of late so worth a shot. Happy hunting!

As to the SqzMyLemon...the less said the better

. It garners a few comments now and again for a laugh so that's been fun.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:39:25 PM

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If you only assign the first of the three possible waypoint locations of a patrol outline then the TF will patrol only in that single hex all day every day until it needs to return to port for refueling or rearming. This keeps it free to react as it is not set to Remain on Station and also keeps it in the single hex you want it in.

I do this all the time with coastal minesweepers and ASW TFs that I want to defend my ports against midnight minelayers and midget sub infiltrations.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:43:05 PM

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"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.

Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).

I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:48:08 PM

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I click patrol aroung target, click the target, and forget about it.. maybe I need to look at my subs as well..

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:52:34 PM

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"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.

Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).

I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!

The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 7:54:10 PM

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As to the SqzMyLemon...the less said the better...

I've always been reluctant to ask what your lemon is...

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 8:04:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
As to the SqzMyLemon...the less said the better...

I've always been reluctant to ask what your lemon is...

I remain eternally grateful CR! Now back to GreyJoy's submarine woes, there's nothing to see here...er well...let's not take that literally. I don't want to have to change my handle to SqzMyWeeLemon.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 8:15:08 PM

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I believe there are mid-turn surface intercepts. I assumed this applied to subs too but, then again, I also believe the world will end in 2012 because of the Mayan calender.

I also believe there is some kind of "die roll" because even a late war USN sub with radar and internet access and washing machine could not hope to interect every TF doing 25 kts in a 40 x 40 mile box.

I do try to set the patrol box to the anticipated end of phase hex more out of habit than insider information. There used to be some kind of "wolf-pack" penalty in WITP. Not sure if it still exists or has been phased out b/o better coordination in late war.*

* Pretend I didn't read the manual

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 8:18:36 PM

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You seem to be dodging the question like Rader's carriers are dodging GJs subs....

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 8:26:37 PM

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Ser Greyjoy.....so, a set back after a rather splendid advance. Yes, it was a disaster, but, you still have the strategic bombing aspect of your offensive at work. Your CVs are still intact and you have learned from both the disaster and the evils of chasing poison pawn, CV groups around the Pacific. Those CVEs were a bit forward and exposed, but, okay, it is water under the bridge now.

Looking ahead, I again counsel caution on your Honshu venture. You haven't experienced a true kamikaze attack yet. The conventional attack he just launched should give you some idea of what is going to happen when you do experience it. I do not like your choice of invasion sites, but you have obviously chosen your course. So be it.....just plan it carefully and fully, prep your soldiers well and then drive home the point my boy. Drive home the point. Good luck, ser knight.

As an aside, I too pondered Nemo's cryptic comment on the previous page....and I too was left wondering what it meant. But, whatever......Sail on, Oh Ship of State and grasp the laurel wreath of victory

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 8:30:28 PM

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Ser Greyjoy.....so, a set back after a rather splendid advance. Yes, it was a disaster, but, you still have the strategic bombing aspect of your offensive at work. Your CVs are still intact and you have learned from both the disaster and the evils of chasing poison pawn, CV groups around the Pacific. Those CVEs were a bit forward and exposed, but, okay, it is water under the bridge now.Looking ahead, I again counsel caution on your Honshu venture. You haven't experienced a true kamikaze attack yet. The conventional attack he just launched should give you some idea of what is going to happen when you do experience it. I do not like your choice of invasion sites, but you have obviously chosen your course. So be it.....just plan it carefully and fully, prep your soldiers well and then drive home the point my boy. Drive home the point. Good luck, ser knight.

As an aside, I too pondered Nemo's cryptic comment on the previous page....and I too was left wondering what it meant. But, whatever......Sail on, Oh Ship of State and grasp the laurel wreath of victory

princepBolton

Should that not read "Water over the bridge" with regards to those CVEs

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 8:37:31 PM

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Ser Greyjoy.....so, a set back after a rather splendid advance. Yes, it was a disaster, but, you still have the strategic bombing aspect of your offensive at work. Your CVs are still intact and you have learned from both the disaster and the evils of chasing poison pawn, CV groups around the Pacific. Those CVEs were a bit forward and exposed, but, okay, it is water under the bridge now.Looking ahead, I again counsel caution on your Honshu venture. You haven't experienced a true kamikaze attack yet. The conventional attack he just launched should give you some idea of what is going to happen when you do experience it. I do not like your choice of invasion sites, but you have obviously chosen your course. So be it.....just plan it carefully and fully, prep your soldiers well and then drive home the point my boy. Drive home the point. Good luck, ser knight.

As an aside, I too pondered Nemo's cryptic comment on the previous page....and I too was left wondering what it meant. But, whatever......Sail on, Oh Ship of State and grasp the laurel wreath of victory

princepBolton

Should that not read "Water over the bridge" with regards to those CVEs

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 9:10:56 PM

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Indeed, gentlemen, that is perhaps a more apt use of the old adage.

Ser Greyjoy, remember that you still have or will receive about 75-100 CVEs. There is no need to take counsel of your fears.

However, I ask you again to reconsider the landing sites in Honshu. The foe is certain to concentrate his forces where you are planning to land. Another strategic invasion away from the Home Islands would still leave you able to prosecute the strategic bombing campaign against his AC production, while landing where the foe is weak. Cutting off the oil pipeline is still a reasonable goal given where you are in the game. It also will cutoff easy further reinforcemnt of the HIs by troops currently still fighting in woebegone places like New Britain or New Guinea. The Phillipines offer many opportunities for quick and decisive landing(s) to further the goal of oil strangulation. I would counsel such a course, but if you insist on the brutal frontal assault approach, then do so after the prepping is quite well along.

As always,

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 9:13:02 PM

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Ouch, bad Luck Greyjoy. Sometimes this game just seems to create absolute massacres despite all of the planning. The feeble performance of the CAP during the large battle was very strange.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
As to the SqzMyLemon...the less said the better...

I've always been reluctant to ask what your lemon is...

I always assumed that it was from a Led Zeppelin song based on a Robert Johnson original. The lyrics being "Squeeze my Lemon (til the juice runs down my leg)". It seems a very strange lyric, maybe it isn't actually anything at all to do with sour citrus fruits.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 9:45:41 PM

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I will say nothing more about Allied naval flak. The fact that you only shot down 90 aircraft with flak demonstrates how totally screwed up this aspect of the game is.

Dood...I thought you weren't gonna say anything more about Allied flak?

Busted......

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 9:56:10 PM

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"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.

Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).

I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!

Yep, even if it is a two hex patrol zone. Just set all your subs to overlap and you should have a lot of contacts. Never ever "remain on station", I remember the devs confirming this one.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 10:26:27 PM

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Ok guys...got the message about subs....i have always been wrong so

However i think Rader is right about something wrong in the air2air system when dealing with big numbers.... CAP is too less effective...both for japan and for the allies....

Look at our very last turn.... we plastered...litterally....5 japanese big industries...with very few losses...too few i'd say! And, despite what everybody thinks, escort DOES make all the difference in the world!!!

When heavily escorted large mass of bombers do take very few casualities...even against huge amount of enemy on CAP....and even the escort suffers very few...too few casualities!

Seems exactly the opposite of what should be....

And that means that everybody's strategy, when in late war dealing with big numbers, should be changed...

Anyway....we really plastered Gifu....

July 12, 13 1944

"E" classes are ruining our subs' life...2 more gone today

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Morning Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
A6M5 Zero x 124
A6M5c Zero x 9
A7M2 Sam x 19
J2M3 Jack x 11
N1K1-J George x 213
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 127
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 138
Ki-100-I Tony x 51
Ki-102b Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 16
Liberator B.VI x 44
B-24D1 Liberator x 41
B-24J Liberator x 114
B-29-1 Superfort x 96
P-38J Lightning x 25
P-51B Mustang x 22
F4U-1 Corsair x 31
F4U-1A Corsair x 113
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Ki-102b Randy factory hits 13
Ki-44-IIc Tojo factory hits 8
Ki-83 factory hits 34
Ki-44-IIc Tojo factory hits 27
Ki-100-I Tony factory hits 11

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Morning Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 11
A6M5 Zero x 92
A6M5c Zero x 7
A7M2 Sam x 13
J2M3 Jack x 7
N1K1-J George x 196
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 102
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 122
Ki-100-I Tony x 40
Ki-102b Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 32
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 204
P-51B Mustang x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 7 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 7 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 39,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 8
A6M5 Zero x 66
A6M5c Zero x 5
A7M2 Sam x 11
J2M3 Jack x 4
N1K1-J George x 172
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 74
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 95
Ki-100-I Tony x 29
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 15
P-51B Mustang x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 12
A6M5 Zero x 123
A6M5c Zero x 11
A7M2 Sam x 16
J2M3 Jack x 18
N1K1-J George x 226
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 120
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 99
Ki-100-I Tony x 24
Ki-102b Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 16
Liberator B.VI x 44
B-24D1 Liberator x 41
B-24J Liberator x 108
B-29-1 Superfort x 86
P-38J Lightning x 16
P-51B Mustang x 55
F4U-1 Corsair x 32
F4U-1A Corsair x 115
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Ki-102b Randy factory hits 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo factory hits 5
Ki-83 factory hits 16
Ki-100-I Tony factory hits 7
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Morning Air attack on Gifu , at 110,59

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 10
A6M5 Zero x 88
A6M5c Zero x 6
A7M2 Sam x 14
J2M3 Jack x 16
N1K1-J George x 201
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 96
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 88
Ki-100-I Tony x 19
Ki-102b Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 38
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 221

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

So in two runs we destroyed 51 KI-83 factories, 50 KI-100, 70 Randy and 40 Tojo .... not bad

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 10:33:21 PM

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Princeps Bolton.... i know what you mean.... i know it's not wise at this point of the war to go on frontal assault...i don't need it...i could simply sit on my thumbs and bomb him into oblivion for the next 12 months...waiting for the a-bomb....

But you know what? I wanna end this match in glory. Wanna see a titanic combo of BB battles, Kamikaze, air battles, CVvsCV...huge armies stuck on the beaches...thousands of deaths

Why? because it's a game after all... under a certain point of view the war is already over...i mean...the allies are less than 500 miles from the enemy capital...and soon we'll bomb the Emperor's palace...
My personal war...meaning my war against the learning curve, has been won. Now i simply wanna make these last months of this match equally fun for me and for rader...and, cannot deny, for you readers.

This is a show after all...and the show must go on!

furthermore...how am i supposed to get 1,000,000 of men, 1500 ships, thousands of planes, 3,000,000 of supplies from Hokkaido to the Philippines?...i think right now my operative choices are simply two: Japan or keep on bombing till Rader dies of boredom

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 10:51:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Princeps Bolton.... i know what you mean.... i know it's not wise at this point of the war to go on frontal assault...i don't need it...i could simply sit on my thumbs and bomb him into oblivion for the next 12 months...waiting for the a-bomb....

But you know what? I wanna end this match in glory. Wanna see a titanic combo of BB battles, Kamikaze, air battles, CVvsCV...huge armies stuck on the beaches...thousands of deaths

Why? because it's a game after all... under a certain point of view the war is already over...i mean...the allies are less than 500 miles from the enemy capital...and soon we'll bomb the Emperor's palace...
My personal war...meaning my war against the learning curve, has been won. Now i simply wanna make these last months of this match equally fun for me and for rader...and, cannot deny, for you readers.

This is a show after all...and the show must go on!

furthermore...how am i supposed to get 1,000,000 of men, 1500 ships, thousands of planes, 3,000,000 of supplies from Hokkaido to the Philippines?...i think right now my operative choices are simply two: Japan or keep on bombing till Rader dies of boredom

This is an excellent point. There is not an AFB reading this who does not want to see you invade. It is not only fun to read but we all will learn from your successes and failures.

The one interesting facet is that you are in an excellent position to invade, yet because you have had so much success so early and "have not" cut Rader off from the DEI or Burma, he will have a tremendous amount of resources to react with. Nor have you actually destroyed a lot of Japanese land units-which would have taken place if your assault on Japan had been more deliberate. He has plenty of fuel, plenty of ships, plenty of supplies and plenty of troops yet. This actually could be the "mother of all battles".

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 11:08:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Princeps Bolton.... i know what you mean.... i know it's not wise at this point of the war to go on frontal assault...i don't need it...i could simply sit on my thumbs and bomb him into oblivion for the next 12 months...waiting for the a-bomb....

But you know what? I wanna end this match in glory. Wanna see a titanic combo of BB battles, Kamikaze, air battles, CVvsCV...huge armies stuck on the beaches...thousands of deaths

Why? because it's a game after all... under a certain point of view the war is already over...i mean...the allies are less than 500 miles from the enemy capital...and soon we'll bomb the Emperor's palace...
My personal war...meaning my war against the learning curve, has been won. Now i simply wanna make these last months of this match equally fun for me and for rader...and, cannot deny, for you readers.

This is a show after all...and the show must go on!

furthermore...how am i supposed to get 1,000,000 of men, 1500 ships, thousands of planes, 3,000,000 of supplies from Hokkaido to the Philippines?...i think right now my operative choices are simply two: Japan or keep on bombing till Rader dies of boredom

Bravo!

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 11:35:57 PM

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"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.

Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).

I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!

The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?

If you have a TF (sub or otherwise) on Patrol or just moving along with 'Retirement Allowed' then it can react according to the 'React Range' that you have set; however 'Remain on Station' specifically tells the TF Do Not React! So say the developers, and my experience has been consistent with that.

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 11:41:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.

Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).

I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!

The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?

If you have a TF (sub or otherwise) on Patrol or just moving along with 'Retirement Allowed' then it can react according to the 'React Range' that you have set; however 'Remain on Station' specifically tells the TF Do Not React! So say the developers, and my experience has been consistent with that.

Ok, so now i understood...that's why...:-(

Ok guys...tomorrow we'll bomb TOKYO!!!!

300 4Es will bomb a/c industries, while 2502Es and 200 Avengers will bomb the port where CA, CLs and DDs are spotted...let's see if i can get a lucky shot

As always, heavy escort and heavy sweep

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 11:43:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.

Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).

I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!

The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?

If you have a TF (sub or otherwise) on Patrol or just moving along with 'Retirement Allowed' then it can react according to the 'React Range' that you have set; however 'Remain on Station' specifically tells the TF Do Not React! So say the developers, and my experience has been consistent with that.

Ok, so now i understood...that's why...:-(

Ok guys...tomorrow we'll bomb TOKYO!!!!

300 4Es will bomb a/c industries, while 2502Es and 200 Avengers will bomb the port where CA, CLs and DDs are spotted...let's see if i can get a lucky shot

As always, heavy escort and heavy sweep

OK two lessons today .. one is "Retirement allowed" really means "allow reaction" .. the second lesson is far more complex. It seems that mult-day behavior is way different than one turn a day behavior. Escorting good on multiday .. at least ...I have a lot of clicking to do GreyJoy in my game ..

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RE: Blood in the skies - 12/22/2011 11:51:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.

Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).

I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!

The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?

If you have a TF (sub or otherwise) on Patrol or just moving along with 'Retirement Allowed' then it can react according to the 'React Range' that you have set; however 'Remain on Station' specifically tells the TF Do Not React! So say the developers, and my experience has been consistent with that.

Ok, so now i understood...that's why...:-(

Ok guys...tomorrow we'll bomb TOKYO!!!!

300 4Es will bomb a/c industries, while 2502Es and 200 Avengers will bomb the port where CA, CLs and DDs are spotted...let's see if i can get a lucky shot

As always, heavy escort and heavy sweep

OK two lessons today .. one is "Retirement allowed" really means "allow reaction" .. the second lesson is far more complex. It seems that mult-day behavior is way different than one turn a day behavior. Escorting good on multiday .. at least ...I have a lot of clicking to do GreyJoy in my game ..