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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 5:59:42 PM   
Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: castor troy

hmm, crazy, have never seen ships being hit from supply unloading before. Never. And I had bases with roughly a hundred CD guns of all different types.

My experiences differ from yours and are more similar to Crackaces', particularly so for dedicated CDs. In other words, yes, supply TFs get smacked by CD guns.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 6:02:20 PM   
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In the meanwhile the war goes on.
Our re-suplly convoy for Aomori decided to stay home and not to move...while our BBs are smashing every day his bases (but due to CD guns and forts very light damage occurs).

The only interesting news is that our Fletcher divisions are starting to hurt his ASW TFs badly south of Tokyo...


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Night Naval bombardment of Hirosaki/Aomori at 118,54

Japanese Ships
     LB-501, Shell hits 1,  heavy damage
     LB-132, Shell hits 1,  heavy damage
     LB-131, Shell hits 1,  heavy damage
     LB-134, Shell hits 1,  heavy damage
     LB-133, Shell hits 1,  heavy damage

Allied Ships
     BB New Mexico
     CA London
     CA Australia
     CA San Francisco

Japanese ground losses:
     62 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled



Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 24
Port hits 2

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Night Naval bombardment of Hirosaki/Aomori at 118,54

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     E13A1 Jake: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
     LB-135, Shell hits 1,  heavy damage

Allied Ships
     BB Richelieu
     BB Alabama
     BB Massachusetts
     CA Salt Lake City

Japanese ground losses:
     159 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
        Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 14 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
     Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)



Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 8
Port hits 9
Port fuel hits 1

BB Richelieu firing at 21st Division
BB Alabama firing at Hirosaki/Aomori
BB Massachusetts firing at 24th Division
CA Salt Lake City firing at Hirosaki/Aomori


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Night Naval bombardment of Ominato at 119,54 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

95 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
     BB Indiana
     BB South Dakota, Shell hits 4
     BB North Carolina
     CA Astoria
     CA Houston
     DD Foote
     DD Bryant
     DD Fletcher

Japanese ground losses:
     160 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
        Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 25 disabled
        Engineers: 4 destroyed, 8 disabled
     Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)



Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Iwaki at 123,68, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     E Mikura, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
     E Daito, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
     E Okinawa, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
     E No.43, Shell hits 18, and is sunk

Allied Ships
     DD Kidd
     DD Kimberly
     DD Longshaw
     DD Luce, Shell hits 2


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Hachijo-jima at 117,68, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     E Kunashiri, Shell hits 29, and is sunk
     E Etoforu, Shell hits 33, and is sunk
     E Manju, Shell hits 22, and is sunk
     E No.27, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
     DD Kidd
     DD Kimberly, Shell hits 1
     DD Longshaw
     DD Luce



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Day Time Surface Combat, near Hachijo-jima at 115,68, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     E No.38, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
     E No.44, Shell hits 8,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
     E No.54, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
     E No.130, Shell hits 8,  heavy fires,  heavy damage

Allied Ships
     DD Kidd, Shell hits 1
     DD Kimberly, Shell hits 1
     DD Longshaw
     DD Luce



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Submarine attack near Fusan  at 103,55

Japanese Ships
     xAKL Ozo Maru, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage

Allied Ships
     SS Plunger



xAKL Ozo Maru is sighted by SS Plunger
SS Plunger attacking xAKL Ozo Maru on the surface

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Submarine attack near Fusan  at 103,55

Japanese Ships
     xAKL Miyakawa Maru #4, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

Allied Ships
     SS Plunger



xAKL Miyakawa Maru #4 is sighted by SS Plunger
SS Plunger attacking xAKL Miyakawa Maru #4 on the surface











In the meanwhile me and Rader are planning his next trip to Italy and mine own to north america...would be cool to finally meet!!!

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 6:04:52 PM   
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< Message edited by Canoerebel -- 1/21/2012 6:05:46 PM >

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 6:10:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I will be glad to serve as chaperone/designated driver for you and rader.  I will be sure to have max policy limits set on all my insurance policies.


ahhaahh

Ok, i'll bring my penguin so....

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 6:17:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Ok, i'll bring my penguin so....


"Your honor, I withdraw the question."

"Too late, counselor," thundered the curmudgeonly old judge. "You made the offer, so you'll have to live with it."

"Then I hereby resign from the bar, your honor. I am departing the country for an isolated and forgotten land. And I'm not leaving a forwarding address."

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 6:52:21 PM   
princep01

 

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Status: offline 		Ser Greyjoy.....perhaps you should seek out whatever bar the submariners favor. After slaying those pestilence E-type AWS vessels, I am sure you'd be most welcome and would not have to buy a beer to get quite drunk in their company. Now that you have sprung your neat trap, you may want to see if it draws a response and set a trap for the responders (say a cruiser force wanting to leap upon your DDs).

I would say that the game far overrates the ability of the Japanese E types. The US lost 52 submarines in WW2 in the Pacific (if memory serves). I seem to recall that a majority of these were lost to AC. While the Japanese late war ASW improved and the E-types proved better than fleet DDs at ASW, I rather doubt that they were as deadly as depicted in the game.

Nemo once mentioned in response to my complaining and whining about them that it had something to do with game code, but I forget the details. Perhaps if he sees this, he might again enlighten us.

princepBolton

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 7:07:45 PM   
paullus99


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Status: offline 		Japanese ASW was uniformly awful during the war. Captains routinely reported allied subs sunk by just forcing them to dive & dropping a depth charge or two....to see this type of killer ASW, especially in light of the allied incorporation of radar into subs by mid-war is absolutely beyond the abilities of the IJN.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 8:55:08 PM   
crsutton


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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Aoffen,

How was it achieved? A careful analysis of the two forces and self-discipline. That's all it takes.

In terms of AARs showing this...
Well there's at least one scenario in which the Allies were on the offensive by March 1942 and re-invaded Malaysia in May 1942 ( causing the Japanese opponent to quit ) and in which the Allied air force was regularly achieving 2 or 3 to 1 kill rates in the air - it even featured a half-dozen B-339 Dutch aces ( which is something you rarely see - especially since most of the B-339 kills were Zeroes and Oscars. ).

I'm aware of a game vs jwilkerson and Nikademus in which the Allies managed to lure them into unfavourable aerial battles and turned the tables very early as well.

CR hasn't achieved aerial superiority in his game but he's not too far off ( although some of that may be a morale failure on his opponents part ). I think a lot of lessons which might be drawn from that AAR aren't actually good lessons to draw but it is an AAR in which Japan hasn't been able to impose its aerial will in '42.


The third example is accessible but should be used with caution. The first two examples are, I believe, good examples of Japan not being able to impose its aerial will. The second example ( Nikademus and jwilkerson ) is, I believe, a Scenario 1 game. The other game is definitely a Scenario 2 game and so features a Japan with all the steroid boosters. IIRC Japanese aerial superiority lasted into the end of February.

I'm sure there are others but those 3 are the AARs I think of when trying to explain how this can be done.


You have yet to convince me. A good Japanese player who will not get trapped and who knows his production will have a great air force through 44. The key to scen #2 is not killing the Japanese air force. (impossible) but getting to Japanese oil production as fast as possible. The Allies player will have a qualitative edge as soon as the hellcat comes on line and can always win where necessary, but Japan can more than match that with numbers and interior lines. The math is simple, if you don't stop the flow of oil, you are just going to grind vs the Japanese air force. There are plenty of examples of good Allied play in the AARs. Most of them concern better Allied players or Japanese players who make critical mistakes.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/21/2012 9:01:53 PM   
crsutton


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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 12:16:48 AM   
Nemo121


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I believe that the position is simple.

1. Good science looks at ALL of the results and not just at those results which fit one's preconceptions.

2. People here were beginning to post about how Japanese aerial superiority was "inevitable" as it occured in ever Scenario 2 game.

3. I pointed out that it could only be viewed as "inevitable" if you ignored the games in which Japan did NOT maintain aerial superiority past mid-42.

4. I then pointed out that it was bad science/logic/reasoning to state something in the game was inevitable due to poor design/unbalanced scenario etc etc when several players had shown that that very thing wasn't inevitable.

As to me saying Allied players are less than competent. No, I didn't say that. That's you putting words in my mouth. What I said was that Japanese aerial supremacy throughout scenario 2 cannot be inevitable for the simple FACT that in several games the Japanese do NOT HAVE aerial superiority in 1942 in Scenario 2.

Also I'd point out that I pointed out 3 games involving 4 players who were able to wrest aerial superiority from the Japanese.


As to those games being the aberration rather than the norm. Well, obviously they are since in most games players fail to wrest aerial superiority from the Japanese. But we were talking about INEVITABILITY. Yes those games aren't the majority BUT they also disprove this growing mythos that Japanese areial superiority in Scenario 2 is inevitable --- which would soon lead to people crying for changes in the game in order to make Scenario 2 more "fair".

I think a similar situation is running a mile in 4 minutes. Yes that's an aberration but it DOES happen and so someone saying, "No human can ran a mile in less than 4 minutes" would be wrong. Same as someone saying that Japanese aerial superiority in Scenario 2 is inevitable is also wrong. I think that the sheer, obvious, simple fact that people have gotten Allied air superiority in mid-42 in Scenario 2 proves that to be so.

I posted to point out that if 4 players were able to beat the Japanese airforce in 1942 then so could everyone else and thus there was no need for changes to code or scenario design.

What do I think it says about the players involved? Simple, the 4 players who got aerial superiority obviously were doing something which the others aren't ( and in reading those 3 AARs I believe it is absolutely clear that they were doing things rather differently than most and that there is a clear causal link between those differences and their success. Hell, if you track the relative successes of the three games and correlate it with the extent to which they adopted various tactical, operational and strategic positions you can even see that within those 3 games the games in which the players adopted fewer of the more optimal positions ( optimal in terms of defeating the IJAAF and IJNAF in 1942 ) it took longer for them to wrest areial superiority from the Japanese.).

Does this imply poor play on behalf of all other players? Not at all. When you read those 3 AARs and compare how they handled their air forces compared to how others handle them in other AARs the differences become clear and the causal links between those different approaches and the outcomes also become clear. That is why I state that any player on the forum ( or elsewhere ) could defeat the IJAAF and IJNAF in 1942. All they'd have to do is learn the lessons of those AARs.

Also though I believe, and I've stated this before, that the difference between people who have the potential to be very very good at strategy ( be it chess, business, office politics, wargames etc ) and those who will plateau at a different level is usually that those who become very good ruthlessly attempt to deal with objective reality ( including ALL data ) instead of just choosing to select out the data which fits their preferred world view and then over-generalising it to the point of inapplicability.


Bottom line though: It can't be inevitable if some people have successfully resisted it. Not having resisted it doesn't make one a bad player BUT it does mean you might have something to learn from reading the AARs of people who have resisted it. I don't see that as being a denigratory statement. When rader's aircraft production strategy first began to become clear in this AAR it was something I hadn't considered ( I'd always thought of taking India as allowing Japan to "skip" the 1943 planes and go direct to large-scale production of 44 planes ). It didn't fit with my view of how things should proceed but I didn't decide to view it as an aberration and ignore it. I accepted it as a piece of data, thought about it for a couple of minutes and went through the ramifications through to 1945 and decided that it wasn't actually a good strategy for various reasons. Bottom line though - I learnt something from considering it and its floating around in my head as a possible alternative should a suitable situation ever arise. We ALL always have things to learn. I don't think that pointing out that essential truth is denigratory to anyone.


crsutton et al,
I'm not trying to convince anyone really - except michaelm when the time comes that someone demands code changes to prevent this "inevitable and ahistoric" scenario 2 outcome ( which isn't actually inevitable at all ).

I just presented evidence that what was said to be inevitable was actually evitable. You can choose to decide to ignore that or decide it was a special case etc etc. All I will say is that from my point of view ( as a player who got aerial superiority as the Allies in March 1942 ) I don't consider anything I did as being anything special or unusual. It is something any Allied player could do and if they showed a little self-discipline it would work for the vast majority of them vs any Japanese opponent of similar skill. I don't think it is something beyond the ken of any player.

As to your use of statements "Japan can more than match that with numbers and interior lines"... Again I find things which may or may not be possible being presented as fact and used as the foundation for an even wider-ranging statement. I've seen AARs where the Japanese could NOT match Allied planes with numbers and interior lines.

As to the math: Hmm, I think your maths is overly-simplified. OIL doesn't determine whether you grind vs the IJAAF and IJNAF. The intersection between Japanese industrial prioritisation and Allied aerial tactics and operational/strategic use does. With a starting HI of 12,000 HI ( I believe it is even higher in Scenario 2 ) the IJAAF and IJNAF can produce 1,000 fighters per month ( more than enough to swamp the Allies with numbers alone ) with a total outlay of just 1,200 HI per day - 10% of its HI.

I am currently, in my Armaggedon AAR, rebuilding the IJAAF and IJNAF on a total HI of less than 6,500 per day. Hell, I'm even building DDs en masse as well as keeping armaments factories and vehicle factories going. Planes are VERY cheap compared to ships and armaments/vehicles. If a Japanese player accepts a 10% cut in shipbuilding or armaments he can easily fund a 1,000 fighter a month force without having to take Palembang --- and he can fund it indefinitely.

So, really, the conventional wisdom on these things - that Japan needs Palembang, India etc in order to swamp the Allied air forces with numbers is not correct. I analysed it and if the Japanese player is willing to delay 10% of his surface fleet construction ( military or merchant ) for less than a year he can have a 1,000 fighter a month build from 1942 ( increasing to 2,500 fighters easily in 1944 ) without ever needing the OIL from Palembang.

His economy won't crash, he'll still be able to build everything he wants and by having those fighters and delaying the Allied forces for an additional few months because of them ( this is what rader failed to do properly ) he can, when the IJN has to be commited to support the inner perimeter, still have all of those forces available ( since the Allies shoudl have been delayed by at least as long as the delay imposed ).

Bottom line though: An awful lot of the conventional wisdom regarding the inability of Japan to ramp up aerial production without the Java/Sumatran OIL is just plain wrong. Also much of the discussion on the opportunity cost of increased aerial production is based on a limited argument which doesn't take into account the effects of increased production on the strategic layer and the impact of this more favourable strategic situation on the date at which the IJN needs to go on its death ride.

Conventional wisdom, selective abstraction of data, over-generalisation of limited data and a failure to consider the effects of production on other layers ( and vice versa ) have, IMO, rendered a lot of what was said about Scenario 2 OIL vs fighters vs aerial superiority etc to be less than accurate.

Obviously though anyone is free to believe whatever they wish. I amn't trying to convince anyone, except michaelm - since he's actually the only one among us all who can effect a code change and therefore the only relevant person to influence. Objectively michaelm is the fulcrum and the opinions of everyone else only matter because of the effect they have on that fulcrum - you'll note I never spoke up when previous posts which I felt were incomplete re: this military/insutrial/complex ( MIC ) issue were made. That was because I'm perfectly happy for people to have whatever idea they want so long as they're happy having it and enjoying the game ( and also because this forum has a habit of attacking people who suggest an alternative to whatever the group-think has decided upon ) BUT it doesn't result in an unnecessary code change.

Once it looked like steam was building behind a "this is inevitable" bandwagon which may have been brought to michaelm and resulted in a code change I acted - because michaelm's opinion matters and if he got poor information in regarding this being inevitable he might make a sub-optimal decision regarding the game code.

That's the reason I intervened when I did. Personally it doesn't actually matter to me how you play the game or whether or not you ( or anyone else ) thinks Japanese aerial superiority is inevitable --- so long as it doesn't result in a bandwagon and a code change. MY only hope is that however you play it you have fun, cause that's what it is all about after all. Play it however you want, so long as you have fun.

I normally wouldn't post that reasoning but I thought it might help you and others understand why I spoke now and hadn't really previously. Previously there was no danger of a bandwagon effect ( IMO ) and so the erroneous thinking would be confined to certain threads or forum areas. This time though I thought there was a danger of a bandwagon effect which would reach michaelm.

< Message edited by Nemo121 -- 1/22/2012 12:19:03 AM >

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 10:13:19 AM   
Itdepends

 

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Status: offline 		Nemo I believe that's the first time I've read you post encouraging someone to have fun in the game rather than pursuing the optimal strategy to defeat their enemy- - nice

However just because something can be done RE and Allied player pursuing the optimal/best strategy for defeating the allied air force- a strategy that it is apparent that the majority of Allied scen 2 players are not pursuing (or at least not successfully) I feel that the ability of Japan to increase airframe production in scen 2 without an ability of the allied to respond in kind (with some kind of trade off) makes the game unbalanced. Still the allied player that choses scen 2 is asking for more of a challenge.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 12:07:59 PM   
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.perhaps you should seek out whatever bar the submariners favor

As an ex-submariner, I can assure you that most any bar is favored! My favorite was one near Rosie Roads that served a rum and coke for a quarter during happy hour. Ex-nukes on the forum might recall Tony's Depot Club in Vallejo or the Mother Tongue in St. Croix.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 1:12:52 PM   
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Well, no-one ever asks me about the "fun" aspect. I'm only ever asked about doctrine or strategy etc. Definitely though the key is to have fun. If I'm in a game where I'm not having fun I'll happily surrender to my opponent, giving him the win, rather than continue to play something which isn't fun even if, technically, I'm in a winning position. I suppose different things are fun for different people. For me it is fun to pick a complex problem having nothing to do with emotions or real life ( since that's too close to the day job ) apart while for others ( like Greyjoy for example ) the fun lies in mashing big gobs of planes, ships and men together and seeing stuff burn . He's having a blast, the forum's having a blast so it's all good. It isn't the most strategically perfect play on the planet but, sometimes its fun to just watch stuff blow up you know? We all have an atavistic side

As re: the point regarding the inability of the Allies to alter production. Actually I agree with you. I believe some of the newer mods due out are using some of the ideas I mooted about 1 year to 18 months ago about placing some Allied aircraft production on-map in particular "out of bounds" bases which would allow Allied players to increase production of certain plane types but only by paying the opportunity cost of commiting shipping, supplies etc to supplying those bases. So long as there's an opportunity cost and an inability to just produce as much of everything as they want then I think varied Allied production is a good thing. I think we're largely in agreement on that. I just don't think that without varied Allied production Japanese aerial superiority is "inevitable" at all.


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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 2:51:11 PM   
GreyJoy


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A damned mistake costed me 4 CVEs......yesterday night my GF (Valentina) decided it was wise to spend the night by my appartment...so we went out with friends and when we came back i had the turn to play...i placed her on the sofa and asked her (politely) to stay quiet, to watch tv, and to leave me alone for an hour... it lasted less than 20 min...that she started to complain (That game is more important to you than me...you are obsessed by that game...who gives a **** about a canadian engineer who lives on the other side of the globe etc etc etc...bla bla blah....)...so i had to rush the orders and probably i messed up a bit...

...however...a CVE TF managed to park itself at Aikita...without CAP...a part from 15 leakers from Hakodate....result? 4 CVEs hit by 800kg bombs....4 CVE less...

Ok...anyway...we keep on bombing Hachinoe, Ominato, Aikita, Aomori...daily...but he has so many engineers, so many forts and so many CD guns that i cannot shut any of those bases...and so forts keep on being built...

For what concerns the whole discussion about Scen 2, Jap air production etc.... i firmly believe that I did a good job in killing Japanese air army in air to air contests...however it doesn't matter much...they just keep on coming...and after 2 months since i stopped the strat bombing campaign, his a/c industry has been already repaired...i had destroyed more than 800 a/c industry points...my recon tells me now that at least 400 of those points have already been repaired....and i do think we're gonna see KI-201s and Shidens by Jan 1945....at least 500 of them monthly....

You say "Go on and plaster those industries now"... i answer: with What!? I mean...i have less than 400 4Es left and with the new patch with CAP tuning how am i supposed to attack bases defended by more than 1000 enemy fighters (frank-Rs, KI-83s, and several others late model wonders) ?!? You know what this mean in terms of escort losses? Do you remember the Tokyo Raid??? (Still with the old patch)....i lost nearly 400 Hellcats in a single turn... I think i'll have to play defensively for the rest of the war untill mid-september 1945 at least...till that moment i'll be inferior both in numbers and in quality...



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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
     BB Mississippi
     BB Idaho
     BB Colorado
     CA Chester
     CA Northampton
     CA Indianapolis

Japanese ground losses:
     148 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
        Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
     Guns lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)


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Night Naval bombardment of Hirosaki/Aomori at 118,54

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
     BB New Mexico
     CA London
     CA Australia
     CA San Francisco

Japanese ground losses:
     124 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 5
Port hits 1
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Night Naval bombardment of Akita at 117,55

Allied Ships
     BB Howe
     BB Indiana
     BB South Dakota
     BB North Carolina
     CA Astoria
     CA Houston

Japanese ground losses:
     234 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
        Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 45 disabled
        Engineers: 4 destroyed, 4 disabled
     Guns lost 18 (8 destroyed, 10 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 6 (3 destroyed, 3 disabled)



Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 14
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

BB 
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Akita at 117,55

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     D4Y4 Judy x 25



Allied aircraft
     Thunderbolt I x 1
     P-38L Lightning x 8
     P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 13
     P-51B Mustang x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
     D4Y4 Judy: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
     CVE Petrof Bay, Bomb hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage



Aircraft Attacking:
      5 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 2000'
              Naval Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
      4 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 1000'
              Naval Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Petrof Bay



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Akita at 117,55

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 98 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     D4Y4 Judy x 14



Japanese aircraft losses
     D4Y4 Judy: 6 damaged
     D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
     CVE Takanis Bay, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
     CVE Makassar Strait
     CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
     CVE Lunga Point, Bomb hits 1,  on fire



Aircraft Attacking:
      5 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 2000'
              Naval Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
      8 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
              Naval Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Takanis Bay
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Salamaua



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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 4:22:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I think it has been established that part of the problem is the extraordinary early introduction of Rader's modern plane types. From what I hear, this is an unusual event and will not happen to most AFBs. However, as to the numbers being produced, I can't offer a solution.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:23:02 PM   
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Well, I think it has been established that part of the problem is the extraordinary early introduction of Rader's modern plane types. From what I hear, this is an unusual event and will not happen to most AFBs. However, as to the numbers being produced, I can't offer a solution.



From my calculations Rader is producing nearly 1900 planes/monthly...


However guys...we got another damned bloody nose...
We bombed Hachinoe today... and we suffered 56 planes shot down by flak and more 50 due to operational losses after being damaged by his AAs.... it has become impossible... And he was complaining about ground bombing being borked?!?!?!?!

He sent several 2-DDs TFs to try to interfere with my naval bombings of Hachinoe...luckly my DDs managed to stop them before they could come any closer and my Avengers dealt with them the day after near Sendai...

However this is becoming a battle of attrition that is leading me nowhere...:-/


Gotta find a solution...




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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:27:45 PM   
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sendai at 118,58, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     DD Kiyonami
     DD Okinami, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
     DD Newcomb
     DD Picking, Shell hits 1


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Night Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-49-IIb Helen x 7



Allied aircraft
     P-61A Black Widow x 33
     P-70 Havoc x 6
     P-70A-1 Havoc x 11
     F6F-3N Hellcat x 51
     F6F-5N Hellcat x 9
     F4U-2 Corsair x 10


Japanese aircraft losses
     Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed
     Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

 
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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
     BB Mississippi
     BB Idaho
     BB Colorado
     CA Chester
     CA Northampton
     CA Indianapolis

Japanese ground losses:
     112 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled


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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

4 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
     BB New Mexico
     CA London
     CA Australia
     CA San Francisco

Japanese ground losses:
     60 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 12 disabled
        Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)



Manpower hits 1
Resources hits 2
Fires 1215
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Port hits 9
Port fuel hits 1

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Night Naval bombardment of Hachinohe at 118,55

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     J1N1-C Irving: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
     BB Richelieu
     BB Alabama
     BB Massachusetts
     CA Salt Lake City

Japanese ground losses:
     316 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
        Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
     Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)



Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9
Port fuel hits 3

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Sendai at 119,58, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
     DD Akishimo
     DD Asashio, Shell hits 2,  on fire

Allied Ships
     DD Newcomb
     DD Picking


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Morning Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     N1K1-J George x 7



Allied aircraft
     Corsair II x 66
     Spitfire VIII x 9


Japanese aircraft losses
     N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
     Corsair II: 1 destroyed



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Sendai at 118,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes


Allied aircraft
     FM-2 Wildcat x 4
     F6F-3 Hellcat x 7
     TBM-1C Avenger x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
     DD Kiyonami, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
     DD Okinami



Aircraft Attacking:
      7 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
              Naval Attack:  1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo



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Morning Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes


Allied aircraft
     Corsair II x 44
     Hellcat I x 4
     Beaufort I x 12
     Liberator II x 15
     Liberator B.VI x 33
     Thunderbolt I x 36
     Wellington Ic x 20
     Wellington B.X x 28
     Wellington GR.XIII x 3
     B-24D1 Liberator x 10
     B-24J Liberator x 156
     B-25D1 Mitchell x 72
     B-25H Mitchell x 51
     B-25J1 Mitchell x 15
     B-29-1 Superfort x 111
     P-38J Lightning x 22
     P-38L Lightning x 70
     P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 48
     P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 129
     P-51B Mustang x 47
     FM-2 Wildcat x 212
     F4U-1D Corsair x 10
     PB4Y-1 Liberator x 55
     PB4Y-2 Privateer x 12
     PBJ-1D Mitchell x 58
     PV-1 Ventura x 27


Allied aircraft losses
     Beaufort I: 3 damaged
     Beaufort I: 1 destroyed by flak
     Liberator II: 6 damaged
     Liberator B.VI: 24 damaged
     Liberator B.VI: 2 destroyed by flak
     Wellington Ic: 15 damaged
     Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed by flak
     Wellington B.X: 23 damaged
     Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
     Wellington GR.XIII: 3 damaged
     B-24D1 Liberator: 5 damaged
     B-24J Liberator: 14 damaged
     B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
     B-25D1 Mitchell: 29 damaged
     B-25D1 Mitchell: 3 destroyed by flak
     B-25H Mitchell: 27 damaged
     B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
     B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 damaged
     B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
     B-29-1 Superfort: 61 damaged
     B-29-1 Superfort: 5 destroyed by flak
     PB4Y-1 Liberator: 22 damaged
     PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak
     PB4Y-2 Privateer: 7 damaged
     PBJ-1D Mitchell: 22 damaged
     PBJ-1D Mitchell: 4 destroyed by flak
     PV-1 Ventura: 13 damaged
     PV-1 Ventura: 2 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
     549 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
        Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 34 disabled
        Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
     Guns lost 39 (1 destroyed, 38 disabled)



Port hits 19
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 2


Also attacking 7th Base Force ...
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Also attacking 116th Division ...
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Also attacking 3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion ...
Also attacking 52nd Division ...
Also attacking 32nd Division ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 116th Division ...
Also attacking 31st Special Base Force ...
Also attacking Hachinohe  ...
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Also attacking 31st Special Base Force ...
Also attacking Combined 8th SNLF  ...
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Also attacking Combined 8th SNLF  ...
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Also attacking 31st Special Base Force ...
Also attacking Combined 8th SNLF  ...
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Also attacking 7th Base Force ...
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Also attacking 31st Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 7th Base Force ...
Also attacking 2nd Base Force ...
Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ...
Also attacking 14th Base Force ...
Also attacking 12th Base Force ...
Also attacking Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force ...
Also attacking Nampo Shoto JNAF Base Force ...
Also attacking 27th Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 52nd Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 14th Base Force ...
Also attacking 4th Guards Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 116th Division ...
Also attacking 31st Special Base Force ...
Also attacking 14th Base Force ...
Also attacking Hachinohe  ...
Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ...
Also attacking Hachinohe  ...
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Also attacking Kure 7th SNLF ...
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ominato at 120,56

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     Ki-83 x 1

 

Allied aircraft
     Hellcat I x 11
     Thunderbolt I x 6
     FM-2 Wildcat x 38
     TBM-1C Avenger x 34


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
     TBM-1C Avenger: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
     DD Akishimo
     DD Asashio, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage



Aircraft Attacking:
     17 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
              Naval Attack:  1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo
     17 x TBM-1C Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
              Naval Attack:  1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
23rd I.F.Chutai with Ki-83 (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
     0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
     Group patrol altitude is 20000
     Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes




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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:30:14 PM   
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..i placed her on the sofa and asked her (politely) to stay quiet, to watch tv, and to leave me alone for an hour...


D'oh! That was NEVER going to work. And it wasn't just a bad die roll either.

Next time, hide the laptop in the bathroom and then feign gastrointestinal distress. Just remember to make a moaning sound every 10 minutes or so.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:33:45 PM   
GreyJoy


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

quote:

..i placed her on the sofa and asked her (politely) to stay quiet, to watch tv, and to leave me alone for an hour...


D'oh! That was NEVER going to work. And it wasn't just a bad die roll either.

Next time, hide the laptop in the bathroom and then feign gastrointestinal distress. Just remember to make a moaning sound every 10 minutes or so.


Oh done that several times...it only works few times...then she eats the bait and she understands something is not working properly...

Once...in september...was a sunday morning...i closed myself in the restroom with my laptop...after 20 minutes i came out and she simply has left my appartment in the worst possible mood ever

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:35:26 PM   
princep01

 

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Status: offline 		Hummmm...Valentina....a most beautiful name for a most beautiful woman, I am sure. I am laughing out loud about the 20 minute comment. Oh Greyjoy, my young jedi friend, they do tend to want to own you:). That is a very funny.

She owes you 4 small aircraft carriers. I would take a moment between now and the next meeting to generate a "bill" to hand her. Take one step back upon handing her such a bill. A slap may be forthcoming:).

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:36:32 PM   
GreyJoy


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Status: offline 		However...his AA is more deadly than his CAP....his fighters are becoming every day stronger...and i'm not making a single step forward...what shall i do?!...

Think i'll send a third reinforced wave to Hachinoe...but in the meanwhile i have to keep those forts from building up...

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:39:31 PM   
GreyJoy


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ORIGINAL: princep01

Hummmm...Valentina....a most beautiful name for a most beautiful woman, I am sure. I am laughing out loud about the 20 minute comment. Oh Greyjoy, my young jedi friend, they do tend to want to own you:). That is a very funny.

She owes you 4 small aircraft carriers. I would take a moment between now and the next meeting to generate a "bill" to hand her. Take one step back upon handing her such a bill. A slap may be forthcoming:).



AHHAAHAH...she has a very bad character when things don't play in the way she wants...and i spent most of my non-witp-time to deal with her mood and to apologise

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:41:33 PM   
princep01

 

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:49:58 PM   
kfsgo

 

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Status: offline 		Greyjoy - before you send anything anywhere, I need about an hour to maybe tell you something (I have a test running to figure out whether a system works the way I think it does - if it does, it might be pretty important for what you're facing here). Before that - could you give a reminder as to what sort of forces you have at Hirosaki right now?

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:53:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: princep01

Hummmm...Valentina....a most beautiful name for a most beautiful woman, I am sure. I am laughing out loud about the 20 minute comment. Oh Greyjoy, my young jedi friend, they do tend to want to own you:). That is a very funny.

She owes you 4 small aircraft carriers. I would take a moment between now and the next meeting to generate a "bill" to hand her. Take one step back upon handing her such a bill. A slap may be forthcoming:).



I just told her on FaceTime that she owes me 4 CVEs....she said to forget HER for a couple of weeks




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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:55:28 PM   
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Greyjoy - before you send anything anywhere, I need about an hour to maybe tell you something (I have a test running to figure out whether a system works the way I think it does - if it does, it might be pretty important for what you're facing here). Before that - could you give a reminder as to what sort of forces you have at Hirosaki right now?


Hirosaki? You mean Aomori? I have 1 Corp HQ, 3 US Divisions, 1 AT Regiments and 1 Tank BN...

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 6:59:15 PM   
kfsgo

 

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: kfsgo

Greyjoy - before you send anything anywhere, I need about an hour to maybe tell you something (I have a test running to figure out whether a system works the way I think it does - if it does, it might be pretty important for what you're facing here). Before that - could you give a reminder as to what sort of forces you have at Hirosaki right now?


Hirosaki? You mean Aomori? I have 1 Corp HQ, 3 US Divisions, 1 AT Regiments and 1 Tank BN...


Right, that's the one. How much artillery do your divisions there have, and are you in a position to land more?

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 7:04:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kfsgo


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: kfsgo

Greyjoy - before you send anything anywhere, I need about an hour to maybe tell you something (I have a test running to figure out whether a system works the way I think it does - if it does, it might be pretty important for what you're facing here). Before that - could you give a reminder as to what sort of forces you have at Hirosaki right now?


Hirosaki? You mean Aomori? I have 1 Corp HQ, 3 US Divisions, 1 AT Regiments and 1 Tank BN...


Right, that's the one. How much artillery do your divisions there have, and are you in a position to land more?


My 3 divisions there are in good shape with all their normal artillery....and yes, i could land more of everything but without any preparation....which might be a problem....what's your idea?

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 7:15:55 PM   
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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE - 1/22/2012 7:24:04 PM   
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