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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 12:34:41 PM

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AA Ranges

Allied:
90mm M1A1 AA........33,800
3in M1918 AA........29,800
80mm AA.............28,000
75mm AA.............28,000 (another model goes only to 20K)
3.7" Mk II AA.......24,000
40mm Bofor AA.......9,800
40mm M1 Bofor.......9,800
37mm M1 Colt AA.....8,600
2 pdr AA............8,000
20mm Mk 4 Oerlikon..6,200
0.5in M51 Quad AAMG.4,200
0.5in M2HB AAMG.....3,600
12.7mm AAMG.........3,600
Lewis AAMG..........2,100
Bren AAMG...........2,100
Vickers AAMG........2,100

Japan:
10.0cm T14 AA.......31,000
75mm T88 AA.........25,000
40mm T91 AA.........8,000
25mm T96 AA.........7,000
20mm T98 AA.........6,200
13.2mm T93 AAMG.....3,200
7.7mm T99 AAMG......2,100

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 1:28:58 PM

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Thanks NYGiants, now my guess is that he has thousands of those T14 and T88 guns in india...only in this way i could explain the differences between the performances of my 3.7 MkII compared with his T88 and T14s...

Lesson learnt however...jap flak can be nasty as german flak over berlin

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 2:22:02 PM

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quote:

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Thanks NYGiants, now my guess is that he has thousands of those T14 and T88 guns in india...only in this way i could explain the differences between the performances of my 3.7 MkII compared with his T88 and T14s...

Lesson learnt however...jap flak can be nasty as german flak over berlin

I doubt that, there are only a few units in game that can use the T14 guns, most of the flak should be from the T88's. However, 30-40 AA units still contain a lot of T88's.

edit: Just checked and he should have about 100-120 T14's in total available, and about a third of them are concentrated in small 4 gun companies.

Now the Japanese also start with a pretty large number of AA units equipped with 88mm guns, which also has a ceiling of 31000 ft and effect/accuracy of 20/38. So nothing stellar but much better than the 75mm.

Regardless, there are never more than 18 guns in a japanese AA unit, so you could be facing about (let's say there are 35 AA units there) 600 heavy flak guns, which is quite a lot.

However, since the 18 gun units are only the 75mm ones, you're likely facing less.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 2:47:16 PM

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Thx String! Very good analysis!

Well, i do have more 100 3.7 MKII at Hyderabad , plus more 300 smaller AA guns, and during the last raid flown by 300 bombers at 13k feet we managed to shoot down only 1 helens!

...damaging maybe 10 more... that's not nearly comparable with what i'm facing at Surat and Baghawhatever...My B17s (which are far more stronger than Sallies and Helens) get chewed by flak.

Anyway, tomorrow we'll discover what is left at Surat and we'll decide what to do next (a base force of mine, which has been pushed back during his advance, managed to get into Surat again and tomorrow will make a suicide attack to recon his units composition)...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 6:51:42 PM

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July 3 and 4 1942

Another VERY quiet turn.
Seems Rader is assembling his Indian air army for the final battle.
I bet he's waiting his units get enough morale to sustain an entire week of fightings (for sure the last 15 days have been hard for them).
My suicide base force collected the following info: at Surat there are 3700 AVs and a huge amount of AA...considering we have more 41 units at Bawatherver (north of Surat), i think he has brought almost every single AA unit he could spare all around the Empire!
As far as i can tell this prooves that he still want to get to Karachi and he has no intentions of letting me off the hook

...

The ASW air campaign goes on with another day of constant subs pounding at Karachi...strange he didn't move them away...

Ground combat at Surat (39,20)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19107 troops, 641 guns, 283 vehicles, Assault Value = 3730

Defending force 67 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 477

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 477 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
     68 casualties reported
        Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)
     Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
   16th Guards Regiment
   48th Recon Regiment
   5th Division
   21st Division
   55th Engineer Regiment
   15th Guards Regiment
   6th Guards Division
   20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
   143rd Infantry Regiment
   33rd Infantry Regiment
   4th Division
   56th Engineer Regiment
   23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
   56th Recon Regiment
   17th Indpt Guards Regiment
   48th Engineer Regiment
   144th Infantry Regiment
   19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
   5th Guards Cav Regiment
   33rd Division
   4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
   5th Guards Engineer Regiment
   15th Ind. Engr Rgt /2
   1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
   41st Field AA Battalion
   49th Field AA Battalion
   32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
   31st Air Defense AA Battalion
   29th Fld AA Gun Co
   1st Air Defense AA Regiment
   1st Air Defense AA Battalion
   10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
   5th Mortar Battalion
   51st Field AA Battalion
   31st Fld AA Gun Co
   11th Air Fleet
   9th Field AF Construction Battalion
   34th Field AA Battalion
   55th Const Co
   56th Const Co
   3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
   13th JAAF AF Bn
   18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   22nd Air Flotilla
   3rd Mortar Battalion
   53rd Const Co
   41st Air Defense AA Battalion
   41st JAAF AF Bn
   30th Fld AA Gun Co
   15th Const Co
   23rd Ind.AA Gun Co
   201st JAAF AF Bn
   3rd FF Const Unit
   21st Fld AA Gun Co
   2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
   21st Air Defense AA Regiment
   54th Const Co
   2nd RF Gun Battalion
   34th Ind.AA Gun Co
   39th Field AA Battalion
   69th JAAF AF Bn
   3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   22nd Fld AA Gun Co
   56th Field Artillery Regiment
   2nd Air Division
   26th Fld AA Gun Co
   6th JNAF AF Unit
   26th Air Defense AA Regiment
   4th Naval Construction Battalion
   25th Air Defense AA Regiment
   27th Fld AA Gun Co
   12th Ind. AA Battalion
   7th RF Gun Battalion
   20th AA Regiment
   39th Road Const Co
   9th RF Gun Battalion
   45th Ind.AA Gun Co
   8th Field AF Construction Battalion
   31st Field AA Battalion
   14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
   54th Field AA Battalion
   48th Field AA Battalion
   21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
   48th Field Artillery Regiment
   47th Field AA Battalion
   35th Fld AA Gun Co
   32nd Field AA Battalion
   5th Field AF Construction Battalion
   55th Mountain Gun Regiment
   11th RF Gun Battalion
   35th Field AA Battalion
   45th Road Const Co
   92nd JAAF AF Bn
   Southern Army
   1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
   38th Field AA Battalion
   3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
   7th Field AF Construction Battalion
   17th JAAF AF Bn
   42nd Ind.AA Gun Co
   23rd AA Regiment
   6th Field AF Construction Battalion
   20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
   41st Air Defense AA Regiment
   5th RF Gun Battalion
   56th Field AA Battalion
   32nd Ind.AA Gun Co
   25th Army
   8th RF Gun Battalion
   21st Army

Defending units:
   2nd West Coast Base Force

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 7:27:14 PM

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GreyJoy, I want to go on the record to say that he's not going to cross the LOD unless he brings back the KB. If he does bring it back, get your ducks ina row to ramp up operations in the Pacific. If he doesn't come back, that means he's waiting to pounce in the Pacific, so you need to give alot of thought to where you can strike and how you will eventually go on the offensive in India and elsewhere.

If the KB is in the Pacific, do you want to try something in the DEI? Do you want to counterinvade behind him (eventually) in India or Ceylon? Do you need your carriers in the Indian Ocean to make such a move possible?

I doubt you can go on the offensive in a big way in the DEI or IO until perhaps September or October, but that's not far away.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 7:30:53 PM

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P.S. In the old WitP days, most PBEM matches had a House Rule limiting the number of AA units in a hex to three. Putting umpteen million in a hex doesn't smell exactly right, though you might find good ways around it or to take advantage of the lack of AA elsewhere. I'm not recommending that you raise it as an issue - far better to just try and find a way to neutralize it or deal with it - but later on when you come up with a stratagem that he doesn't like, you might gently point out his handling of the India campaign.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/25/2011 11:03:36 PM

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GreyJoy, I want to go on the record to say that he's not going to cross the LOD unless he brings back the KB. If he does bring it back, get your ducks ina row to ramp up operations in the Pacific. If he doesn't come back, that means he's waiting to pounce in the Pacific, so you need to give alot of thought to where you can strike and how you will eventually go on the offensive in India and elsewhere.
If the KB is in the Pacific, do you want to try something in the DEI? Do you want to counterinvade behind him (eventually) in India or Ceylon? Do you need your carriers in the Indian Ocean to make such a move possible?
I doubt you can go on the offensive in a big way in the DEI or IO until perhaps September or October, but that's not far away.

Hi CR,
that was my initial thought: the presence of the KB determines his strategical choice in India.
However he may want to wait and use till the very last sip of blood his LBA assets untill the KB moves back to India, so that once the KB is in place it will find a less stiff opposition.
However my problem now is how i can monitorize the KB movements? There's no easy or not risky way to do that.
I still hold Makin and Abenama and i could try another attempt to reinforce them using some surface assets and my CVs in cover...if the KB is in place i bet she will come out and play again...if she doesn't it means she's moving back to India...
The point is that this is going to be very risky...i may find myself facing a disaster in the pacific just to know where the KB is...
The other choice is to wait and see and be ready to move in the pacific if the KB springs up in India.
I think without the KB i can do the Bonins operation and, even on a smaller scale, the Gilberts one.
I can easily mount an amphib operation targetting Iwo Jima and place 2500 AVs there. Without the KB my 6 CVs should be enough to discourage any surface attempt to smash my amph TFs...and with Iwo strongly in my hands everything can change...
But first i need to be sure that the KB is not there...
The other option is to raid with my CVs somewhere between the Bonins and Japan hoping to find some juicy convoys...i'm pretty sure that if the KB is lurking in the pacific she's not in Japan but at the Mariannas or Truk...
DEI? not now, impossible. Before thinking about DEI i need first to reinforce Oz which is far from being able to mount an offensive operation (lack of planes, base forces and unrestricted units). Now, i think the only options if the KB moves away are in the pacific.
Another Indian Bde arrived at Karachi today. 250 AVs arrived in the last 2 days isn't bad...tomorrow at Aden will arrive another british Bde that will immediately be sent to Karachi.
I really think that if i will dig in Karachi with those 5500 AVs, supplied by more than 300.000 supplies...behind forts level 7(or hopefully 8) the fortress will become simply untakeable even for the mighty japanese armies. And however a moving stack of 5000 AVs with good artillery and tanks will be a tough opponent to face outside Karachi...
I really think the AA overstacking is a problem. Simply i need not to target those places...he can mass but massing means also less flak somewhere else. So to say if he brings those AAs with his marching troops, Surat and the other bases will be undefended and so raidable...if he let the AA guarding his AFs...well, the advancing columns will be my target. Simple

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 6:08:03 AM

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Congratulations on keeping India to this point. The question that begs: Did your opponent pull a Kurita or is he just marshalling forces for one final push on Karachi? Very, very interesting. It appears you have learned well, Grasshopper.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 6:39:36 AM

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quote:

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Congratulations on keeping India to this point. The question that begs: Did your opponent pull a Kurita or is he just marshalling forces for one final push on Karachi? Very, very interesting. It appears you have learned well, Grasshopper.

Cheers,
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Thanks C Cody.

What d'you mean with "pull a Kurita" ?

Whatever that means i think he's still marshalling forces for one final push on Karachi. If there are 102 units with 3700 AVs at Surat i bet at "Baghawhatever" (1 hex north-west of Surat) there are at least 3000 more with probably more 4000 between Madras and Colombo which i bet are being transported or moving towards the front right now.
He's probably resting his air units in order to wait for a final and decisive attack...and i can smell the KB coming...so unfortunately i still think he can destroy me if he wants to...

I'm tempted to move to India my CVs...but it will take them too much time and i think they'll arrive when it will be too late.
Plus i really don't like the idea of fighting with my CVs so close with that LBA concentration (more than 1700 planes spotted between the two major japanese air bases) and in the corner of a map...where there's nowhere to run away.

However considering the paniking situation of April (where his advanced coloumns were cutting in pieces my defensive lines near Calcutta) the situation is defenetly better. And also having efficiently countered the threat posed by his subs near Karachi (consider that i've lost nearly 40 transports due to his subs near Karachi in the first 2 months of activity of my blockade runners) is a great achievement imho.

Now my goal is to be able to keep on brining those 20k weekly supplies to Karachi with regularity and at the same time be able to keep my fighter force alive as long as i can.

Now i have 530 operational and ready fighters at Karachi. This is a good force but my pools (especially brit pools) are getting dry and we all know i cannot sustain more than a week or two of air battles with those numbers (he has 700 fighters at Surat).
I think the difference will be made by who will throw the towel first...if my aircraft pools or his pilots pools

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 7:04:02 AM

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 11:04:04 AM

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This is the composition of the fighter air force present in India

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 12:04:10 PM

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I'd have 2 questions:

1) are you playing with the beta version or with the latest "official" patch?

2) how many radar stations do you have at Karachi?

if #1 would be answered by "beta" and #2 with at least 4 I'd suggest that you consider the option of having some of your fighters only CAP the base at 30%... why? - less ops losses, much less fatigue and less morale losses.... - and if the enemy attacks, you might still see all planes fly if the detection was early enough for your fighters to scramble.... - one other thing, what I see very often in the beta is that some of your fighters would automatically get vectored onto the bombers....thus getting to the juicy targets right away...

just a few thoughts, if you haven't already considered them....

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 1:21:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: SoliInvictus202

I'd have 2 questions:

1) are you playing with the beta version or with the latest "official" patch?

2) how many radar stations do you have at Karachi?

if #1 would be answered by "beta" and #2 with at least 4 I'd suggest that you consider the option of having some of your fighters only CAP the base at 30%... why? - less ops losses, much less fatigue and less morale losses.... - and if the enemy attacks, you might still see all planes fly if the detection was early enough for your fighters to scramble.... - one other thing, what I see very often in the beta is that some of your fighters would automatically get vectored onto the bombers....thus getting to the juicy targets right away...

just a few thoughts, if you haven't already considered them....

1) yes we'e playing with the latest beta now
2) yes i have 4 CH radars, sound detector and the other strange device at karachi...so you think that 30% CAP is enough? i had somehow the perception that the scrambling a/c were in a worse postions than their comrades that were already on patrol cause they got bounced easier...but probably that's just a feeling

Thanks mate, very helpfull! I'll try it!

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 1:38:49 PM

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it was just something to consider.... - if you do it - only do it with some of your units..... - it can go very bad....(if your radar fails to detect the raids) - but it can also preserve your units for longer, if scrambling isn't needed, and/or if no raid happens, then less planes were on CAP and thus less of the already mentioned bad side effects of constant CAP...
thus far in my game against fcharton (he's also writing an AAR) it has been very useful to me and kept my outdated fighters in the DEI battle ready for over 2 months (until none were left :D)

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 2:23:00 PM

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I would suggest that you take some time and go through your fighters leaders in India to make sure they are of good quality (Aggression 60 or over, Air experience near or above 60, and Inspiration 50 or above if possible). I like to set CAP at 40% and Rest at 20% as you are likely to get more than one strike coming in.

Since you are using the latest Beta patch, I would turn off replacements for all BF and AA units outside of India until you can fill these out. The AI will look at the lowest ID# for each LCU and give replacements to those first. Thus, some Allied units in USA or Australia may get them first because of this. You may need to use the Stockpile feature to store up troops so you can focus on those infantry units in India first.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 4:03:58 PM

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Stagger the altitude assignments for your fighters (give them various altitudes all the way from high to low).

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 5:24:26 PM

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GreyJoy- just curious why you have put Brisbane on the backburner?

Brisbane should build forts, port, and AF from day one. That should (not will, depends on your playing style) be your biggest base to base your operations out of in the SOPAC....

Has Rader taken everything but PH, West Coast, Russia, Alaska, PH, and Aussie? Karachi ofcourse...

Just curious what your plans are outside of India...I too wonder if he is awating a final push on Karachi...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 6:01:21 PM

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NYGiants, i have no PP points since May cause i'm keeping all my airgroups and the RN ships with me and not sending back to ETO...when i still had time i had already done that anyway...i tried to put best leaders everywhere (LCUs and LBAs)...hope that's enough...

About altitude it really doesn't matter cause we have an HR that limit the max alt of fighters to 20k for CAP and Sweep so all my fighters are sitting at 20k except for 5 groups that are watching at 15k...

Jeffk i chose to reinforce Sydney cause when Oz was still a possible target i had to make a choice between Sydney and Brisbane and so i decided for the first because of the terrain hex. Brisbane had just built forts for months.
Oz however still needs lots of things before becoming a base from where to start a counteroffensive...lack of fuel (i'm shipping it via CT but it takes time with the AKs) and lack of unrestricted troops are limiting my options.

Rader has taken China and India, DEI and the usual historical perimeter but has already abbandoned northern Oz, New Caledonia and has a VERy light perimeter in the solomons and new hebrids...I think also that the whole NG is very ungarrisoned.

I'll post a strategic map to let you take a look.

July 5,6 1942

Rader has moved some of his bombers to Cawdpore (south of Dehli) and made a couple of effective ground bombing missions against 2 units of mine that were guarding a base between Delhi and Jodpur...one of my units got so mauled that from 100/100, after 2 days, its status was 5/30

...that's why it's really impossible to defend ourself against the para-railway tactic...Jodpur will be my only outspot outside my inner perimeter from now on...

Sunk a sub today and badly damaged at least 2 others near Karachi...

My british Bde (part of the 2nd UK division) safely arrived at Karachi with an heavily escorted convoy...tomorrow another brit Bde will arrive at Aden and in 4 days at max speed should be at Karachi

for the rest another very quiet day. I followed your suggestions and put my fighters on 40 cap 20 rest...let's hope.

I'm pretty sure he's moving his troops towards Cawnpore (got a couple of intel reports about arty units there)...probably he will try to attack following two different directions (the coastal way and the valley way) but i'm pretty sure he'll first paradrop on dot bases and then railway in his masses to gain time...cannot do much about it as you can see. A week of bombing without a decent air cover and without any flak will destroy even a division...then a para drop of 4 para units at the same time can easily dislodge a so battered unit of mine...so better to wait him in my trenches and annihilate his new conquered bases with my 4Es...

Still no sign of the KB...i bet it's moving back to India...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 6:07:54 PM

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 9:34:00 PM

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i bet it's moving back to India...

Hmm, I'd take that bet. It won't be moving back to India at this time. It may be directed there if his initial attacks go poorly - a true example of your opponent showing his uncertainty.

I'd definitely take a bat that it isn't tasked to the Karachi blockade right now though... and that's the only valid reason for it moving back to India.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 11:20:10 PM

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i bet it's moving back to India...

Hmm, I'd take that bet. It won't be moving back to India at this time. It may be directed there if his initial attacks go poorly - a true example of your opponent showing his uncertainty.

I'd definitely take a bat that it isn't tasked to the Karachi blockade right now though... and that's the only valid reason for it moving back to India.

Well, i really hope it's like that Nemo. However if i was him i'd move it back to India ASAP in order to be there when the LOD is crossed so that he can easily deny me the flow of reinforcements from Aden/Adebadan.

The absence of the KB in the last 40' days have meant for me the safely arrival of at least good 500 AVs and 100k supplies, plus some more american air groups. It also true that the presence of the KB in the pacific (or the shadow of it) have meant the abort of my Gilberts/Marshalls operation...so it's a "do ut des" exchange.

However i'm sure he's ready to attack now. He's been resting his air units for 1 week now and recon says that there are still 700 fighters at Surat. Probably he has converted back some Tojo to Oscars in order to have more legs to reach Karachi...

Let's see...it's gonna be interesting to see how those forces i assembled there will be able to interdict the enemy

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 11:44:15 PM

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it's gonna be interesting to see how those forces i assembled there will be able to interdict the enemy

Which is of course a question which should only be answered after first asking whether you should be attempting this interdiction strategy.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/26/2011 11:51:13 PM

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it's gonna be interesting to see how those forces i assembled there will be able to interdict the enemy

Which is of course a question which should only be answered after first asking whether you should be attempting this interdiction strategy.

Probably "interdict" isn't the correct word. I mean to efficiently defend my positions.
I think that till now it's been a good strategy to stay and fight in the air. for sure Rader's air forces have been fighting under unfavourable conditions and the fact that he had waiting so much once reached the LOD limit probably is also due to the fact that he suddenly had faced a stiff opposition that forced him to stop and reorganize.

Untill my air force remains a deterrent i'm pretty sure he won't cross the LOD and, for sure, he won't be able to impose to Karachi a terminal blockade. Hopefully, when the time will come, i'll have gathered enough forces and supplies to make Karachi almost untakeable

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 2:22:56 AM

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interesting AAR GreyJoy.
All you can do now is to keep on defending Karachi with a straight bat. I doubt any forays in the Pacific do anything more than make you feel (temporarily) good though, even if it turns out the KB isn't around. Patience grass hopper...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 6:40:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Congratulations on keeping India to this point. The question that begs: Did your opponent pull a Kurita or is he just marshalling forces for one final push on Karachi? Very, very interesting. It appears you have learned well, Grasshopper.

Cheers,
CC

Thanks C Cody.

What d'you mean with "pull a Kurita" ?

Adm Kurita had the invasion force of Leyte within striking distance but got spooked by a spirited defense of the DDs, DEs and aircraft of Taffy 3 at the Battle off Samar. Here's the Wiki. So, what I'm saying is that Rader may have lost his nerve while victory was within his grasp.

Cheers,
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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 7:02:48 AM

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Thanks Dekwik!

July 7, 8 1942

At Cawnpore he has only 10 units, 80 fighters and some 300 between aux and bombers...Nothing that let imagine a decisive and major thrust.
He started to bomb Dehli and its static unit there (red fortress). Sincerly i don't know what this may mean.
Still no attacks at Karachi or Hyderabad...
The news of the days is that he has finally moved back all is subs from Karachi...my ASW campaign finally paid off

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The 5th Brit Bde arrived at Aden and already loading on a fast amphibious TF. Destination Karachi!

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 7:51:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Congratulations on keeping India to this point. The question that begs: Did your opponent pull a Kurita or is he just marshalling forces for one final push on Karachi? Very, very interesting. It appears you have learned well, Grasshopper.

Cheers,
CC

Thanks C Cody.

What d'you mean with "pull a Kurita" ?

Adm Kurita had the invasion force of Leyte within striking distance but got spooked by a spirited defense of the DDs, DEs and aircraft of Taffy 3 at the Battle off Samar. Here's the Wiki. So, what I'm saying is that Rader may have lost his nerve while victory was within his grasp.

Cheers,
CC

Don't know Cody... Rader hasn't abbandoned his target yet me think. For sure in the last 2 months my positions got stronger but remember that i had already abbandoned everything but Bombay south of LOD and was already diggin in at Karachi. If he had not stopped at Surat and build up the base to level 9 AF probably i would have been able to close his airfields, denying to his advancing troops any air support. While, waiting to get all those AAs and engeeneers he managed to build an excellent starting base for his upcoming operation. Wasn't an easy call i'd say: take the momentum and push forward no matter what or wait, gather more troops and stuff, and smash my positions with overwhelming forces.

However it ain't over yet so everything could still change...

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 8:55:57 AM

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GreyJoy: That's why I posed it as a question. You're quite correct to not relax just yet.

Also, when Rader inevitably reads this later, in no way would I want to imply I would have done any better. I'm pretty good at beating the AI, though.

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RE: The Battle Of India - 5/27/2011 10:55:26 AM

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Tired of working this morning... I'll share some thoughts

If i look back at these first 7 months of war (wow, already 7 months!!!) I have to say that i'm not happy.
Now with a little more understanding of the game mechanics i admit i've fallen back too easily everywhere. In the pacific and in northern Oz i was so scared by the idea of getting trapped in an undefendable position that i haven't even tried to defend places like Port Moresby, New Caledonia, Espiritu Santo or, worse, didn't have the nerve to risk a counterattack when the KB was operating in the Indian ocean.
When i read CR's AAR i feel ashamed of my behaviour in comparison... The only offensive operation i was able to do was a limited advance in NOPAC taking back few islands conquered by Japan during the first month (Addu Island)...but that was far from being an heroic achievement cause Rader had already abbandoned everything.
I've been outplayed by Rader in this aspect. He overextended his perimeter during the first month of war, invading everything he could, even with a fragment of a naval garrison unit, thus giving me the impression of an extreme power and so making me feel even weaker than what i was in reality.
I could have raided his com lines and could have faced his little invasions with some surface assets or even with my CVs (knowing the KB wasn't there)...while actually the only good thing i was able to do was the "Miri operation", when force Z, supported by some ducth units, managed to sink a jap convoy making 11k casualities.

Now we've just seen the aborted Marshalls operation...where he was able to defeat me just using the threat of his Netties/zeros combo and the "idea" of the presence of the KB (that's the perfect "fleet in being" theory applicated).

....and better not to talk about China...

Probably the best thing i've done so far is the defence of northern India (and i know this isn't exactly a well executed plan) cause here at least, having my shoulders put on the wall, i could not fall back anymore and had to stand and fight.
I really have to get better if i want to have a chance of turn the tables and change the tide...but it's really really hard to master this game!

The only thing i know is that i never had so much fun and involvement with a game so far...not even with IL2 online... really amazing!

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