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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/4/2011 10:17:56 AM

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/4/2011 12:19:20 PM

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Ok guys, this is probably my last post for the next 8 days (if i don't find a decent internet connection in Afrika)...

So i leave you with a statle mate situation...which will surely be altered in the next 20 days when the allies will be able ready to start their offensives

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/4/2011 5:17:35 PM

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The problem with such raiding forces is that they can refuel from an xAK as well. Just put them in the same TF and 'refuel at sea'. Not sure if you've got any HRs against that.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/4/2011 5:26:07 PM

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An IJ DD at the Panama Canal Zone portal entrance? Man, that stinks to me. He's taking advantage of the fact that he can calculate the exact hex of entry, knowing that you (as a relatively new player) won't expect this. To me it's akin to the land march across the Owen Stanleys to recpature Port Moresby. Okay, the game allows it, but it stinks to do it, especially against a newcomer.

No CR, i don't agree with you here. The move is a bold one imho. It wasn't exactly on the exit point...close but not there...and he managed to get there with a good plan obviously....moving AOs where i could not spot him...
These moves help me to keep my focus and my attention high...i can never relax, not even in my backyard! and that's a good thing imho

I agree, you get plenty of escort type ships coming in from the East Coast and Balboa. No need to send ships out of the canal zone without escort. Just wait for a few DDs and then send then in a big group. Besides, you can send your ships to different locations-say Tahiti, and they will enter the board in different locations. A good move by Rader as just a little caution would have countered this. The Allied get a million escort carriers. That is really what these ships were for.

I will say that there is some method to Rader's madness. He is doing an excellent job of sinking your APA and AKA type ships. (or are you doing and excellent job of losing them?

) You really can't afford to lose any more as without them your offensive in 44 and 45 is going to be severly hampered-if not already. You need to start treating any and all amphibious capable ships like pure gold and start thinking about how you are going to protect them.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/4/2011 7:17:45 PM

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Indeed, his raids hit the prime targets - the assualt shipping. Treat the surviving assault ships like gold, escorting them heavily.

On a personal note, good to see I guessed right, but cold comfort for you, GJ.

Perhaps the single best time to invade Thousands is the day AFTER Rader launches his next sheer numbers aerial attack. Can't really see what strategic imperative he's fulfilling here as his air force is bleeding dry. Obvious caveat to my suggestion here is to be aware of KB's location and remaining a/c. If they're still in the game like they are right now, it could hurt. Then again, perhaps getting him to respond to what appears to be an amphib covered only by CVEs is the perfect time to wheel in your CVs for the kill (or at least the favorable exchange).

Think carefully on your next moves as you dodge malaria in Zanzibar!

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/5/2011 1:32:51 AM

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As a vast percentage of shipping out of the Canal Zone is headed to Pearl it would be a good bet to sit opposite the channel on the map.

There isn't a fixed route from the Canal Zone to Pearl. There's maybe 15-ish hexes you can enter on that are all 107 hex routes, and more if you don't mind a slightly longer trip. Every TF could enter differently.

Not that I generally would bother absent an impetus. But if my opponent was camping on the "obvious" path I'd just go around with future TFs.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/5/2011 1:38:12 AM

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CR's point was obviously that a newer guy would not be expected to pick up on this and would just be using the 'return to home port' route from the Canal to get to Pearl.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/5/2011 3:17:07 AM

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CR's point was obviously that a newer guy would not be expected to pick up on this and would just be using the 'return to home port' route from the Canal to get to Pearl.

Which is what I do most of the time. However, I don't send valuable ships without escort anywhere on the map. I think GJ understands this now. It is a learning process.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/8/2011 8:16:13 AM

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Hi GJ; am enjoying your AAR.

I thought I would mention, in case you weren't aware, that LSIs are the British equivalent of APAs. The following ships can be converted to LSIs: AMCs: Westralia, Prince Henry,
Manoora, Kanimlba, Monowai. xAPs: Glenstrae, Glenorchy, Glenartney, Empire Battleax, Empire Star, Empire Pride, Australia Star, Dunedin Star. There may be others that I missed.

Also, how is your recon of India, especially the coast? If you can get a PB4Y-1P Liberator group to Karachi you can reach all the way to Calcutta.

Enjoy your vacation.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/8/2011 6:37:56 PM

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Manage to steal a wi-fi connection from a Masai market...pretty odd!

...this damned Hotel has the internet connection broken and here the telecoms are bad to say the least...however managed to send another turn to Rader...

don't have time to do a proper update but...we managed to catch and sink 2 AOs and the CVE Hosho near Christmas Island ...this is my first clash of carriers...a single CVL againts a single CVE...

The battle was won only because we had 12 Hellcats while he had only 18 Kates....but was close

More news starting on Wedsnday...

Thanks for the support guys!

PS: Zanzibar is a damned cool place...the ocean has colours that i never saw in my life and the sand is purely white!
Really a wonderfull place...too bad on the second day i got the typical african diarrhea attack and i litteralry **itted my stomache off!!!....and i still feel very weak...my GF isn't clearly proud nor happy of my performances so far

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/8/2011 6:41:00 PM

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Hi GJ; am enjoying your AAR.

I thought I would mention, in case you weren't aware, that LSIs are the British equivalent of APAs. The following ships can be converted to LSIs: AMCs: Westralia, Prince Henry,
Manoora, Kanimlba, Monowai. xAPs: Glenstrae, Glenorchy, Glenartney, Empire Battleax, Empire Star, Empire Pride, Australia Star, Dunedin Star. There may be others that I missed.

Also, how is your recon of India, especially the coast? If you can get a PB4Y-1P Liberator group to Karachi you can reach all the way to Calcutta.

Enjoy your vacation.

Welcome aboard SDB!!! Glad to have u here!

Yes, upgraded what i could (what wasn't sunk) and bout those recon liberators.... i don't need them right now...i'll tell you in details when i'll return but i can already tell you that we have already enumerated 15 japanese divisions newly arrived in India...he's massing his troops...and the coast is well defended from Surat to Bombay...

More at my return...

bye!

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/8/2011 7:47:00 PM

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Congrats, it's not quite a real CV that you sunk, but every flight deck counts.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/9/2011 4:58:54 PM

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Ok, stormy weather here in Zanzibar so i have time for an update.

Sep 14, 15 1943

The turn begins with the first action of my night fighters. Rader sent 15 Helens to bomb Karachi at night. We scrambled 7 beaufighters Vif...despite my crews are all CRACK ones the helens defended very well...but did no harm to karachi AF...
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Night Air attack on Karachi , at 40,8

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 87 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIf x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.176 Sqn RAF with Beaufighter VIf (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 53 minutes

Then my Eastern Army marching towards Multan was attacked by 100 Helens, escorted by 80 Tojos and preceded by 250 fighters on sweep...again my 90mm american AA guns did their job and destroyed the Helens formation flying at 32k feet...not a single bomb hit my troops. Again my fighters weren't sent to LRCAP...i keep my air army united at Karachi and it grows stronger every day!

65 4Es bombed the concentration of enemy troops at Dehli...more for recon pourposes than for any hurting attempt...now we know that he has at least the following troops:

Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 39th Division ...
Also attacking 37th Division ...
Also attacking 18th Division ...
Also attacking 24th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 7th Division ...
Also attacking 39th Division ...
Also attacking 36th Division ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 24th Division ...
Also attacking 53rd Division ...
Also attacking 52nd Division ...
Also attacking 32nd Division ...
Also attacking 18th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Division ...
Also attacking Guards Tank Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 54th Division ...
Also attacking 24th Division ...
Also attacking 53rd Division ...
Also attacking 15th Division ...
Also attacking 39th Division ...
Also attacking 21st Division ...

We'll keep on bombing his LCUs (that are strat moving towards Multan) so we'll have a better estimate of what we're going to face at Multan...lot of stuff anyway!
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And then, south west of Christmas Island, there's the first carrier encounter of the war.... we moved our CVL there in order to close the exit way of the Hosho (i was pretty sure he would come down south and east in order to get back to his lines...)...our Avengers spotted and attacked on the morning of the 14th the enemy replenishement TF...

Morning Air attack on TF, near Eiao at 194,151

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 7
TBF-1 Avenger x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AO Erimo, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
AO Iro, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

In the Afternoon the Hosho did react and moved closer to our CVL, launching 15 kates on bombing mission.... We had 5 Hellcats on CAP and we mauled the enemy formation that arrived very depressed over our CVL and, with only bombs, the enemy bombers weren't able to score a single hit...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Eiao at 196,147

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 15

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVL Cowpens

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 6000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

And then we striked back...and our attack was deep and efficient...

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Eiao at 194,151

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 7
TBF-1 Avenger x 11

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Tone
CVE Hosho, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Hosho

The Tone went away without a scracth, but the Hosho ate 3 torps and sunk beneath the waves immediately

The next day our search continued but the Tone, now alone, managed to slip away unseen....

We won't chase her down anymore...hopefully she'll be out of fuel before reaching Kwalajein...

Nothing much more happened on the 15th...his KB and BBs are at Rabaul, while we ordered anothe little bombing raid with 4 DDs at Rekata Bay...things in Sopac and Swpac are taking shape. In 15 days we'll be ready to strike...

We'll first hit Thousands and Russell with a couple of BB bombing raids, followed by our 4Es...i'd like to run his supply dry before the D-Day...next week things will become really hot...

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/9/2011 10:52:34 PM

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Good job. Hopefully the weather in Zanzibar wont be better the next days

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/10/2011 6:28:23 AM

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Well done, Mr. Vacation. I hope my next job is with a European company.

Cheers,
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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/12/2011 8:53:38 PM

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Ok, Mr. Vacation is back

Sep 18,19 1943

The whole combined fleet is moving back from Rabaul to Truk, while we naval bombed Auki and Munda and while few CAs of his keep on moving from Shortland to Thousands...

Soon we'll make a comprehensive update...got some internet problems right now at home and i'm trying to solve them...

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/12/2011 8:56:01 PM

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"Bout time you dragged yer greasy butt back home.

:)

(That's the way we would've welcomed back a friend on Third Floor Center, Myers Hall, University of Georgia in the early 1980s. So...it's crass, but it's friendly.)

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/12/2011 8:59:53 PM

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:-) thanx CR!

Zanzibar and Tanzania are really cool, even if i have to admit Africa is not really my best dream...

Tomorrow i'll try to upload some good picture...

Today, coming back, we stopped at Mombasa and i immediately thought "hey, this is an "off map" base!" :-)

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/12/2011 9:09:46 PM

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Oh, say, what's this lads? Its my old bub, Reek, back from safari and all (slaps Greyjoy firmly on his sunburned back). Okay, then, let's do count those fingers.....all 7 there I see. My, the picture of health and sweet smelling after laying about in the sun, or we? Well, we'll have to see about fixing that. Back to the old grindstone and all, me old seadragon. So happy to have you back. Go give those LYBs grief and more.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/12/2011 11:38:47 PM

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It's nice to be back home here at DreadFort my Lord. The southern warmth doesn't fit your Reek.
Your Reek still needs his seven remaining fingers to hit the japs...so please, let them be for few more months...and i promise you will satisfied.

Sept 20,21 1943

He positioned the KB and the BBs north of Kavieng...he's planning something again...
While a DD division of mine (4 fletchers leaded by DD Chevalier) hunts every night in the slot (sinking 2 PBs tonight and bombing Munda 2 nights ago), we're planning a new tactical offensive towards his first defensive line in the Solomons, while waiting for the last units to arrive in theatre (3 CVs+4 CVLs+1 Fast BB). Thousands, Russell and Auki will be bombed in the next days, hopefully draining more japanese air attacks towards my fortified positions at TLT.

In India my Eastern Army is assembling 6 hexes east of Hyderabad. He keeps on sending every day 200 fighters on sweep followed by 120 Helens at 30,000 feet...tomorrow we'll try to LRCAP with 70 planes and see what happens....

September is being a month of troops movements and organization...October will be the month of action...

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 6:20:08 AM

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Sep 22, 23 1943

Too many vacations...too many days with my brain off...

I've ordered the LRCAP over my Eastern Army...i messed up with the drop tanks issue and the result was that only 3 corsairs were where they were supposed to be!
However my 3 Corsairs killed 2 Georges, losing only 1 plane against overwhelming odds...

At TLT i ordered a mass bombing at Thousands with 3 bombardment TFs...don't know what happened but only 1 of the 3 TFs got in and bombed the place without scoring a single hit on the runaway (and yes, i had float planes on recon)....bad dice and rolls but God knows which orders i gave to my other TFs...

His KB remains at Kavieng...i'm pretty sure he wants to ambush my bombing TFs with one of his famous LBA+KB raid...

In India i foresee an incredible struggle to come....more units are reported to be moving there from Singapore...

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 6:50:24 AM

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A part from the heavy fightings that will took place in October - both in the Solomons and in India - i think it's interesting to stress that the month of October 43 will see the arrival of the new model of Corsair that will be carrier capable and produced in the numbers of 78 monthly! This, along with the presence of a large supply of Hellcats, will give a boost to my Navy fighter units.
Also the Spits mk.VIII will start to arrive to the Australian units. 20 SpitsVIII monthly isn't much for the Aussies, but i i'm preparing to convert a crack 16 planes Aus squadron to Spit VIII. I will devote my top gun Aus pilots to the brand new fighter.
In November the Brits will start to get 32 more spits monthly. In India, considering the short range of the Spit VIII, it won't be usefull, so i'll use the RAF squadron i have in the Solomons.

I fear that by now he must have Franks coming online...i'm pretty sure in my next offensive i'll start to see these new beasts...

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 8:25:21 AM

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Since CR gave you a good Southern Welcome I'll just say Welcome back, hope you had a good time.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 8:57:48 AM

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Since CR gave you a good Southern Welcome I'll just say Welcome back, hope you had a good time.

Thanks mate!

Had a good time, yes, even if the weather wasn't 100% good and the "intestinal fever" striked the entire Hotel, binding me for hours to the W.C. (and in that country they don't have the darn bidet, so every time i had to take a shower...something like 10 showers every day

).

A part from that and apart the extreme poverty of the island, the place is absolutely beautifull

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 9:35:43 AM

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Thanks for that mental image GJ. LOL glad you had fun now get down to work and tear Rader another one.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 9:42:53 AM

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Welcome back!

We've missed your 10-20 posts a day around here!

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 9:49:04 AM

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Thanks for that mental image GJ.� LOL glad you had fun now get down to work and tear Rader another one.

I take it DOCUP that the pun was intended?

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 9:53:18 AM

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Yes 5am and I am still up. A little slap happy.

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 10:58:05 AM

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Made a long post and it got swallowed by the net

Sept 24,25 1843

Our activity of bombing his frontal bases in the Solomons is going well. Today we destroyed 30 planes on the ground at Rekata bay, while Auki was bombed again by a light cruiser TF.
Tomorrow our BBs will bomb Munda, while our 4Es will strike Thousands. We try to change the targets as often as possible not to be too predictable.

The goal is to keep Rader busy with a general sense of unsafety in his frontal bases in the Solomons.

our first PF unit sunk an enemy sub near SF, while we torpedoed another xAK near Truk.

Our CVs are assembling at SUVA. my brand new allied Death Star will be composed of 10 CVs and 4 CVLs... more than 1000 planes....not bad!

Tomorrow we'll try to LRCAP again our Eastern Army that is bombed every day...

I have a problem with the supply flow... i have more than 2 million supplies at Karachi not stockpiling...2 command HQs are with my Eastern Army but despite that i cannot get more than 35k supplies to it...the supply simply doesn't flow in more quantities...is that normal?

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Sub attack near Truk at 107,113

Japanese Ships
     xAK Hokusho Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
     SC CHa-12
     AK Amagisan Maru
     xAK Kisaragi Maru
     xAK Iwaki Maru
     xAK Matsue Maru
     xAK Koei Maru
     PB Kensin Maru
     PB Nikkai Maru

Allied Ships
     SS Sealion

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Night Naval bombardment of Rekata Bay at 113,134

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     P1Y1 Frances: 16 damaged
     P1Y1 Frances: 3 destroyed on ground
     N1K1 Rex: 6 damaged
     N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed on ground
     N1K1-J George: 18 damaged
     N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed on ground
     D4Y3 Judy: 5 damaged
     D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed on ground
     Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 24 damaged
     Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 5 destroyed on ground
     Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 5 damaged
     Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
     Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 damaged
     H6K4 Mavis: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
     DD Hammann
     DD Eaton
     DD Beale
     DD Fletcher

Japanese ground losses:
     12 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 41
Port hits 6

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Night Naval bombardment of Auki at 115,136

Japanese aircraft
     no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
     E13A1 Jake: 13 damaged
     E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
     CA Hawkins
     CA Louisville
     CA Portland
     CL Denver
     CL Trenton
     CL Detroit
     CL Leander
     DD Perkins
     DD Cushing
     DD Conyngham
     DD Case

Japanese ground losses:
     322 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 40 disabled
        Engineers: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled

Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 89
Port hits 24
Port supply hits 4

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Sub attack near Eureka at 207,69

Japanese Ships
     SS I-26, hits 11, heavy damage

Allied Ships
     PF Long Beach
     DD Nicholson
     DE Charles R. Greer

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RE: The Stone and the Waves - 10/13/2011 2:38:21 PM

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Ok, orders are given. My BBs stationed at Lunga (i moved them in last turn) will move out of the action of Russell-Thousands and bomb at night Munda base. I have devoted 3 BBs, 6 CAs, 4 CLs and 14 DDs divided into 2 TFs for this task. Ching and Lane the Commanders. A screen of 4 Fletchers will cover the two big TFs. PTs will move to Thousands, Russell, Auki and Rekata Bay. 200 4Es, escorted by 12 Boomerang will hit Thousands (clear weather forecasted).
My BBs will all retire to Tulagi instead of Lunga. This because as i move in the BBs he always tries to attack them with his LBAs...so, fearing the sweep+escorted naval attack combo, i changed the returning base...if he sweep Lunga he will find nothing and his escorted bombers will meet 200+ fighters based at Tulagi plus those 300 on LRCAP from Lunga...

(in reply to GreyJoy)

Post #: 2790