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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 1:24:44 AM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 1:39:01 AM   
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It's something you have to deal with.

But this response is well worth having to read the drivel it was replying to:

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As for me, I do know where shameless propaganda can lead, but I also realise that there are PC zealots out there who have there own agenda which precludes people from finding these things out and thinking for themselves, and those who dare to contradict the PC zealots by thinking for themselves are tarred with a brush, be it neo-nazi, communist or in religous terms they are all going to hell.

I'm sorry to be blunt but why don't you just take you pissant small minded control freak attitude and crawl back under the rock you came from. Failing that you can always take a leaf out of Hitlers book, and burn any books that your PC mind deems unfit for human consumption. Pun intended.

PS I also have a book on the Boer War which mentions the concentration camps set up by the British leading to 40,000 Boer deaths and an unknown number of Native black deaths, also currently before the courts here in the UK is the case of survivors of the Mau Mau rebellion who are suing the British Goverment for compensation regarding their detention, torture and in cases death, in detention camps during the rebellion. Maybe I should consider emigrating as I wouldn't want my taxes to go to a goverment that not only could sanction, but actively oversee these events, if i was to follow your way of thinking that is.


Amen and amen. All human governments, indeed humans in general, are capable of despicable evil. We must always call it what it is.


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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 2:18:06 AM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 2:23:42 AM   
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People like controversy. Is it really that difficult to understand?


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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 2:24:14 AM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 2:33:32 AM   
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People like controversy. Is it really that difficult to understand?



Yes it is. But now I got it. Thank you.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 2:47:45 AM   
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If it is hard for you to understand, that is commendable. You would seem to have a spirit of reconciliation that is far too rare in this human brood. Unfortunately, it is readily apparent to me, as I'm an argumentative curmudgeon.



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 3:29:27 AM   
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I just keep returning here because everyone else keeps coming back here. But I really can't see why. This thread is boring...I'm starting to think its the worst thread in the forum. Who cares about that old fart? That one sure took its time, a lasting fart is a rare thing indeed, maybe that's why...

Can we speak about Hitler, instead?


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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 3:36:43 AM   
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Here's a good book that some may like by "Gerd Niepold" Battle for White Russia, The destruction of Army Group Center-June 1944" I bought this one in like 1987-88 IIRC for a reasonable price, it seems now you can't touch it for less than U.S. $250.00-350.00 range...crazy!


Holy crap. It's sad how much some of these books cost. There are several I'd like to get my hands on but the costs are prohibitive.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 3:38:01 AM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 3:45:11 AM   
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Reconciliation? Are people here mad at each other?

I just keep returning here because everyone else keeps coming back here. But I really can't see why. This thread is boring...I'm starting to think its the worst thread in the forum. Who cares about that old fart? That one sure took its time, a lasting fart is a rare thing indeed, maybe that's why...

Can we speak about Hitler, instead?




He wrote a book that some colleges have on their reading list along with that little piece by Marx and another by a guy named Mao. Schools like you to have an open mind and a knowledge of politics, history and social sciences. Of course some would deny access to this stuff so they could stuff their own stilted agenda down your throat.

Forgot. Some schools even have you read a couple things called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Speaking of Hitler, has anyone seen a picture of Soviet Army General I. V. Tiulenev? He has one of those Hitler moustaches. I wonder if he had that to piss off Stalin.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/9/2011 10:16:15 AM   
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Speaking of Hitler, has anyone seen a picture of Soviet Army General I. V. Tiulenev? He has one of those Hitler moustaches. I wonder if he had that to piss off Stalin.
It was just as likely to impress Stalin-

Lidiia Nord a pseudonym for a Russian emigre claiming to be the widow of one of one of Tukhachevsky's assciates quotes Tukhachevsky- "Now I see that Stalin is a secret, but fanatical, admirer of Hitler. I am not joking.... Hitler would only have to make a step in Stalin's direction, and our leader would throw himself with open arms at the fascist. Yesterday when we were speaking privately, Stalin justified Hitler's repression against the Jews by saying that Hitler was clearing the path of everything that prevented him from obtaining his goal, and that from the standpoint of his ideas, Hitler was right. Hitler's successes impress Iosef Vissarionofich (Stalin) too much, and if you look closely, you will see that he copies the Fuhrer in many ways.... And what is even sadder, there are people who, in stead of putting him in his place, look at him with rapture and hang on to his every word as if they expected to hear brilliant thoughts." ( p403 V. Rogovin- 1937 Stalin's Year of Terror)

Hardly surprising Tukhachevsky and his school of brilliant officers had to go.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 7:06:07 AM   
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... All human governments, indeed humans in general, are capable of despicable evil. We must always call it what it is.


You go one step in the right direction, but obviously fail to even approach the dimension that mass murder reached under totalitarian regimes before, during and after WWII. It's this kind of negligence of some western education systems that allows political extremists to flourish even today. Kind of sad to see a guy with some analytical talents (you hinted at that in game-related posts) chime in with fascist-lovers.


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ORIGINAL: Panama
He wrote a book that some colleges have on their reading list along with that little piece by Marx and another by a guy named Mao. Schools like you to have an open mind and a knowledge of politics, history and social sciences. Of course some would deny access to this stuff so they could stuff their own stilted agenda down your throat.


@Panama, top secret --> Not everything that's on reading lists IS studied the way it should be. Some persons may be able to recognize letters on paper, but fail to understand what they mean and much less learn anything in the process. Now back to your cartoons, they seem to have formed you much more than the mentionned reading lists.




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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 7:58:42 AM   
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@Steelers708 - Actually I was getting tired of the ignorance and lack of manners demonstrated by some posters here. You definitly need help with your anger management, by the way a symptom you share with hooligans and neo-nazis. Why on earth do you get this mad when someone opposes neo-nazi podium-seekers? Have I touched a brown nerve by chance?

But at some point in your life you must have been a fellow student of history, so I'll try to forget your impertinance, and give it a last shot to reach you in your dark corner.

Assuming you have really read the books you mentionned, AND understood something written in there AND learned and stored relevant informations, then you should recognize the threat that totalitarian ideologies pose even to today's western democracies. The danger has grown even bigger since 9/11, because due to the challenge religious fanatism presents to western value systems neo-nazis smell their chance to stimulate xenophobic reflexes in ill-educated layers of society in many western nations and ride on this wave to (more) power. Go look what happened in the last few months and years in the Netherlands, Hungary, France and Italy, just to mention a few...

But back to (off-)topic, your analysis of the thread opening:

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... So let's examine Barkorn's original post.

"Has anyone read his book about the eastern front?I know he was an unrepentant nazi but like Rudel you can't discount his bravery and fighting elan."

Simple enough question, admits Degrelle was an unrepentant Nazi, but doesn't discount his personal bravery. I don't see any pro nazi sentiment there, and I wouldn't question the personal bravery of any individual (no matter which side thsy were on) who fought on the Eastern Front.


Wrong. What is ONE of the key recruiting methods of totalitarian ideologies back then and today? Show-casing "heroes" aligned with the "correct" political fraction, to which the targets of political agitators and recruiters might look up to, so that these simple minds might want to join this "heroe's" tribe.

Now read the opening post of this mislead thread again, I'll do it for you:
**** warning, irony following, warning ****
"Folks, look at this guy who has admirable bravery and fighting elan, no way this can be discounted. He is an unrepentant nazi, but so what... Hey, he was even drinking remnants of a rotting russian corpse, now ain't that cooooool.... Even Hitler wanted to have a son like him, maybe we should all worship this guy and try to be like him, hm?"
**** irony off ****

How on earth can you treat this crap like a mere reading recommendation? If this is what the thread opener naively tried to to, he got the flak he was asking for. If he - as I strongly assume - tried to nudge simple minded wargamers toward nazi literature, he should have drawn cross-fire by all those "educated" posters who instead chose to blindly throw PC and zealotry around. Neo-Nazis ARE a clear and present danger to modern western societies, the Germans have recognized that and keep struggling hard to keep neo brainware from spreading, they have learned their lesson. Some of you guys should do so too...

I actually intended to disseminate Steelers post line by line, but somehow I suspect it's not worth the effort. It's mind boggling to see self-proclaimed history buffs whose eyesight ends right on their nose-tip and at the end of a book cover. Don't try to teach an old bird how to use his bird-brain...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:23:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bird brain describes your mental capacity very well even you recognize this fact.I was'nt going to respond to your ignorant rantings but your continued classification of me as a neo-nazi because i asked if anyone had read the book amazes me.
The way your neanderthal sized..no australiopithicus sized brain can twist and re-interpret somebody else's words is simply incredible,really.
I never demanded anyone read it just asked if anyone had,oh thats right' that's reverse indoctrination so now my sheeple minions will march to the book stores to demand degrelles book so they can self indoctrinate themselves to become neo-REXIST'S that's right genious he was a belgium REXIST not a national socialist.Maybe the 1000,s of danes,french,finns,norwegians,dutch,latvians,estonions,lithuanians,ukranians,actually thought they were defending europe from communism...no they were in it for the money or they were just fanatical neo-nazi's according to a neo-moron such as yourself.
I picture yourself back in the 30's refusing to read "that little house painters"mein kampf because it was nazi drivel but in it he described what he was going to do when he attained power.It was there in black and white for every one to READ but people ignored it as drivel which is what I should have done with your brain dead drivel masked with a janus face of political piety.Do the world a favor and chemically castrate yourself so you don't reproduce and bring another narrow minded,self important,bigoted,mongaloid into the world such as yourself.
I apologize to the rest of the people on this forum but I have had enough of this individuals{I won't use the word man}personal attacks.
Say nity nite bird-brain



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:30:40 AM   
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This brabbling is too incoherent, zero readability.

Just illuminate us what you wanted to achieve by opening this thread?

I'll repeat my interpretation of your posts:

**** warning, irony following, warning ****
"Folks, look at this guy [Degrelle] who has admirable bravery and fighting elan, no way this can be discounted. He is an unrepentant nazi, but so what... Hey, he was even drinking remnants of a rotting russian corpse, now ain't that cooooool.... Even Hitler wanted to have a son like him, maybe we should all worship this guy and try to be like him, hm?"
**** irony off ****

Do you insist that your opening post was a mere reading recommendation? Come on buddy, be honest, stand by your colour and admit you tried to nudge simple minded wargamers toward nazi literature...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:33:24 AM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:36:10 AM   
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Answer the question, is it this hard? Come on, out yourself...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:38:55 AM   
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Come on show YOUR true colors buddy.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:41:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok genius I reread my post and if you read something that suggested i was nudging the SIMPLE MINDED wargamers on this forum to neo-nazism read the above post buddy

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:42:23 AM   
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I didn't open this thread, you did. Answer the question, answer the question...

But you'll insist it was an innocent reading recommendation. No chance you'll stand by your motives...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:44:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The same tactic over and over. Starting a fire and switch to denial, laying smoke and hiding when the fire brigade shows up.

THAT's why neo-fascist agitators have to be confronted early on, don't let the fire get out of control...


edit: hiding, not hinding....

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:46:13 AM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:47:03 AM   
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I'll wait very patiently: Answer the question, answer the question....



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:51:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is fun just like playing with my 3 year old grandson.Your ability to interprete continues to amaze me no matter what I say you say its denial.Why ask me a guestion when you've already made up the answer.
Come on was Armstrong really on the moon?

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 9:56:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok genius I AM NOT A NEO-NAZI{yes you are-no i'm not-yes you are-no i'm not ad nauseum}I have people ask me how i can read anything about the german participation in ww2 because of the holocaust.How would a genius like you answer that question?I'm supposing that you have read or possess books on the german forces in ww2?

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:02:02 AM   
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Still laying smoke and hiding. Not the moon is the topic, it't about your motives to open this thread about Degrelle.

But I wasn't really expecting an answer anyway...

You having a 3 year old grandson roughly puts you into a generation educated by fascism influenced parents and teachers. Even when evading you add up to the neo agitator profile...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:05:36 AM   
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By the way I can't find you anywhere on this forum[granted a limited search]are you what they call a troll???

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:10:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		You answer MY question,if someone saw you reading a book about the german attack on france and scolded you for reading pro nazi literature and how can you read that don't you remember the holocaust.What would be your intelligent responce[sorry i know that intelligent part is a stretch]?

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:17:29 AM   
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