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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:23:52 AM   
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Ok genius I AM NOT A NEO-NAZI{yes you are-no i'm not-yes you are-no i'm not ad nauseum}I have people ask me how i can read anything about the german participation in ww2 because of the holocaust.How would a genius like you answer that question?I'm supposing that you have read or possess books on the german forces in ww2?



Neos hardly ever have the guts to admit it anyway.

The game's topic is dealing with german forces. Your topic was "an unrepentant nazi".

I've had my share of lecture and studies on WWII and the ground laying inhuman philosophies leading to it, and my girlfriend has german relatives who had to live under nazi oppression and flee eastern prussia when the russians came, so I also had and have direct live sources.

My motives dealing with WWII are WHY things happened the way they did. And the holocaust is a main point of why this era should be studied in depth, not just superficially as it happens in so many countries. How many percent of US teenagers didn't know who Hitler was a few years back? 70%?

Military history has it's fascination for me, but that's only a small part of why this era should be understood, memorized and be kept in mind as a warning never to let this stuff happen again... And the consequence of studying the rise of totalitarian regimes is: To confront agitators endangering democracy as soon as they show up.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. This must not only be limited to observing government actions, but also for countering threats to 21st century values...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:26:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Istill can't find you anywhere but here,are you what whyalterhistory called the thought police of this forum?Hey in another post someone called Rudels book a great read should I point you to it so you can slander and insult him also?
He's got to be a nudging neo-nazi according to your holier than thou stance genius.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:31:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I answer your question but the answer did'nt suit you so now i don't have the guts to admit i'm a neo-nazi geez.
You know I think,your a neo-nazi and useing reverse pshycollagy{sorry been up for awhile] to indoctrinate simple minded wargamers to your fascist intent!

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:36:23 AM   
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You answer MY question,if someone saw you reading a book about the german attack on france and scolded you for reading pro nazi literature and how can you read that don't you remember the holocaust.What would be your intelligent responce[sorry i know that intelligent part is a stretch]?


That's the main thing you don't want to admit or can't understand: There is a huge difference between more or less unbiased history literature and "unrepentant nazi" writings... There are more solid history books out there than anyone can (really!) read in a lifetime, so promoting nazi literature has a self-evident motive....

As for german attack on france etc: No nazi rise to power, no world war II with industrialized mass murder of the scale the world had to see, as simple as that.





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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:42:42 AM   
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I answer your question but the answer did'nt suit you so now i don't have the guts to admit i'm a neo-nazi geez.
You know I think,your a neo-nazi and useing reverse pshycollagy{sorry been up for awhile] to indoctrinate simple minded wargamers to your fascist intent!



That was a good one.

*** irony on ***
Yep, reversed psychology really is my tactic. That's exactly what can be read in all my posts warning of neo agitation and inhuman totalitarian ideologies.

Actually I expect you to confront me with being a pro-semite agitator because of course there never was a holocaust? Of course I am also a commie agitator because I am an obstructor of the neo-nazi anticommunist cruisade?
*** irony off ***



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 10:57:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		What does that last sentence mean?As for german attack on france etc: No nazi rise to power, no world war II with industrialized mass murder of the scale the world had to see, as simple as that.

"I have had people criticis me for studying ww2 from the german side with the basic statement I quoted above.
As far as "unbiased literature"I have well over a 1000 books in my collection,all 5 histories of the leibstandarte,all the das reich series by weidinger,all the gross deutchland series,hermann goering panzerkorp,the in action series,atkinsons day of battle and army at dawn[good readable books by the way].
I could go on and on but to what affect.So I chose what I consider a obscure book on the eastern front and ask if anyone read it and you take up a personal vendetta against me because[even though you have'nt read it]it must be pro nazi lit that seeks to gain political absolution for the author[he was a rexist by the way]any political b******t in it was passed over by me because i consider myself a MILITARY HISTORIAN not a political one personal stories interest me.
I apologize for the insults i've given you[sort of]but you will never see that you might be wrong that is self evident by your own words.
But you are conspiracy minded tell me how did Bush do it?

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 11:03:18 AM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 11:13:44 AM   
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Go trool somewhere else.If i get kicked off this forum for this discussion I will still return to read and learn about this wonderfull game,even though we all know that right behind that german
front the einsatzgruppen are lurking to eliminate the jews and the intelligencia[don't worry as for the latter you'd be safe].To all[except one malignant dwarf]a good nite

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 11:41:34 AM   
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What does that last sentence mean?As for german attack on france etc: No nazi rise to power, no world war II with industrialized mass murder of the scale the world had to see, as simple as that.


If the nazis had been kept from power they could not have driven germany down the road to war, mass deportation and extermination camps. There simply was no other powerful political fraction in the Weimar Republic with expansionist warfare on their agenda, communist takeover was no danger in 1932.


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... As far as "unbiased literature"I have well over a 1000 books in my collection,all 5 histories of the leibstandarte,all the das reich series by weidinger,all the gross deutchland series,hermann goering panzerkorp,the in action series,atkinsons day of battle and army at dawn[good readable books by the way].

... i consider myself a MILITARY HISTORIAN not a political one personal stories interest me.
I apologize for the insults i've given you[sort of]but you will never see that you might be wrong that is self evident by your own words.


Whenever you get me close to move away from my assumption that you are a nazi fan you instantly throw something in my direction that chokes it off again. Why this fascination for the SS outfit Leibstandarte? Why Grossdeutschland which murdered at least 150 captured black african-french soldiers of the Tirailleurs sénégalais during the conquest of france?

To some degree I can understand fascination for army outfits and their exploits during times of war, but why this obsession with SS? If you stare into the Abyss too long, it starts staring back...

If you stick to it that your motiv for this thread was not promotion of an "unrepentant nazi" but just hinting at war experiences on the eastern front, you at least have to agree that you could have chosen a less controversial author. Topics bound to lead into a political minefield simply don't belong to this forum, nothing positive for the game can get out of such a thread.




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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 12:56:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Firing bombing population centers without military signifigance is, of course, ok since the Allies won. So that's not any kind of war crime nor inhumane right? I mean, they were Japanese and German civilians right? Not like it was a death camp or anything.

I've met a lot of people who consider people who play wargamers as some kind of sick twisted person because they make light of the mass murder that took place. Wargamers make play of the fact that people suffered horribly and died in these conflicts. You can't single out one side and say they were evil and another side and say they were saints. People on both sides commited genocide. It's fact. Those who deny this are the ones you have to worry about.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 1:29:32 PM   
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Whenever you get me close to move away from my assumption that you are a nazi fan you instantly throw something in my direction that chokes it off again. Why this fascination for the SS outfit Leibstandarte? Why Grossdeutschland which murdered at least 150 captured black african-french soldiers of the Tirailleurs sénégalais during the conquest of france?

To some degree I can understand fascination for army outfits and their exploits during times of war, but why this obsession with SS? If you stare into the Abyss too long, it starts staring back...


The Grossdeutschland wasn't SS.


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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 1:36:40 PM   
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Firing bombing population centers without military signifigance is, of course, ok since the Allies won. So that's not any kind of war crime nor inhumane right? I mean, they were Japanese and German civilians right? Not like it was a death camp or anything.

I've met a lot of people who consider people who play wargamers as some kind of sick twisted person because they make light of the mass murder that took place. Wargamers make play of the fact that people suffered horribly and died in these conflicts. You can't single out one side and say they were evil and another side and say they were saints. People on both sides commited genocide. It's fact. Those who deny this are the ones you have to worry about.


There we agree (defining war crimes after a war is mostly tarnished by double standards). The difference in judging participants is most of the time only who won. Bombing dresden when the war was already won for the allies was a clear war crime in my book. Vae victis. Victor's justice. But this opens a new can of worms, now we'll have the strategic bombing fans jumping all over us.

As for wargaming: Playing WitE I have to swallow hard to play either side, because I'm aware of many atrocities commited by both sides. If I couldn't consider it as a form of chess, purely dealing with military decisions and dilemmas, I couldn't have bought it. And I'm convinced 99% of WitE players and forumites feel this way.


Edit: added () on where we agree.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 1:43:08 PM   
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The Grossdeutschland wasn't SS.


Just another unit which committed war crimes.





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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 1:52:11 PM   
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I have books on the German Army, Soviet Army, Chinese army, British army, US army and the Cofederate States Army, so I admit it I'm a neo nazi communist democrat who would love to own a slave, which reminds me I must give my Filipino made her daily ration of 20 lashes.

Of course the authors and publishers of the books I own are also neo nazi communist democratic slave lovers for dearing to write about and publish such heinous books, no doubt I will meet them all in hell, but that reminds me I'm an atheist, so actually I'm a

Neo Nazi Communist Democrat Slave loving Atheist

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 2:26:33 PM   
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This will be my last post on this subject as I'm not going to play Reconvets' game.

I have books on the German Army, Soviet Army, Chinese army, British army, US army and the Cofederate States Army, so I admit it I'm a neo nazi communist democrat who would love to own a slave, which reminds me I must give my Filipino made her daily ration of 20 lashes.

Of course the authors and publishers of the books I own are also neo nazi communist democratic slave lovers for dearing to write about and publish such heinous books, no doubt I will meet them all in hell, but that reminds me I'm an atheist, so actually I'm a

Neo Nazi Communist Democrat Slave loving Atheist



Ridiculous. I didn't expect anything else.

Just google for Degrelle (Degrelle forum) and jump into the first german-language forum listed there (thiazi.net). You don't even have to speak german (I do by the way), just have a look at the pictures, signatures etc. The brand of participants you'll find there might shock you out of your pink reading glasses, or you'll find yourself some buddies.


edit: typo


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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/12/2011 2:52:42 PM   
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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 12:27:23 AM   
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If the nazis had been kept from power they could not have driven germany down the road to war, mass deportation and extermination camps. There simply was no other powerful political fraction in the Weimar Republic with expansionist warfare on their agenda, communist takeover was no danger in 1932.

Not sure what you mean by "kept from power." With their support already waning they were placed in absolute power by the conservatives and liberals, the so called "enabling act." With Hitler's expansionist aims clearly set out, this can only be seen as the nazis representing the aims and interests of the majority of the German ruling class and being its chosen tool.

So who could have kept them from power? The social democrats and comunists gained more votes combined than did the nazis in the last election of the Weimar republic. The SPD were commited to working legally. With the ruling class decided upon the nazis as their political tool, legal means were not going to succeed.

The communist party was by now reduced to a pawn of its dominant Russian sibling which was currently undergoing a counter-revolution. As such, it subordinated its international sections to promoting the nationalist interests of the new Russian ruling class, first and foremeost, the stifling of new revolutions. It even voted with the nazis in the so called "red referendum."

None of this had been digested by the German working class, the only social force that could conceivably have organised to overthrow the nazis. In these concrete circumstances, the nazis attaining state power and embarking upon a new expansionist war was all but inevitable.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 4:22:01 AM   
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If you keep feeding the trolls, they will keep coming back.


If you blow up their bridge the become homeless and move away.

Why do I always think of three billy goats when someone mentions trolls?

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 4:32:06 AM   
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If the nazis had been kept from power they could not have driven germany down the road to war, mass deportation and extermination camps. There simply was no other powerful political fraction in the Weimar Republic with expansionist warfare on their agenda, communist takeover was no danger in 1932.

Not sure what you mean by "kept from power." With their support already waning they were placed in absolute power by the conservatives and liberals, the so called "enabling act." With Hitler's expansionist aims clearly set out, this can only be seen as the nazis representing the aims and interests of the majority of the German ruling class and being its chosen tool.

So who could have kept them from power? The social democrats and comunists gained more votes combined than did the nazis in the last election of the Weimar republic. The SPD were commited to working legally. With the ruling class decided upon the nazis as their political tool, legal means were not going to succeed.

The communist party was by now reduced to a pawn of its dominant Russian sibling which was currently undergoing a counter-revolution. As such, it subordinated its international sections to promoting the nationalist interests of the new Russian ruling class, first and foremeost, the stifling of new revolutions. It even voted with the nazis in the so called "red referendum."

None of this had been digested by the German working class, the only social force that could conceivably have organised to overthrow the nazis. In these concrete circumstances, the nazis attaining state power and embarking upon a new expansionist war was all but inevitable.


Hitler was appointed. Not elected. Papen could have kept Hitler from power. It was he who convinced Hindenburg to appoint Hitler Chancellor and it was he who allowed Nazi party members to be appointed to Cabinet posts. Remove Papen and you remove Hitler and the Nazis. They would have had to form a coalition party, laughable, or attempted another coup.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 5:25:59 AM   
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You answer MY question,if someone saw you reading a book about the german attack on france and scolded you for reading pro nazi literature and how can you read that don't you remember the holocaust.What would be your intelligent responce[sorry i know that intelligent part is a stretch]?

Can I answer this question First I would size up who the heck has the nerve to question what I'm reading, being in particular I live in America and all, Thank God Now if that person was annoying as say someone I won't name that posts here that appears to be a troll like liberal luny with an extreme backward way of thinking, I would tell that person to move on as they have no clue and it's none of thier concern in essense! If that doesn't work, I guess it's time to breakout that 'ole can of whoop A** Don't mess with Texas, we still have Freedom here!

I just checked my library and I have about 600 books on WWII and only two deal with the Holocaust at length, those two books were part of a series is why I even have them! I don't need any books on that subject as my T.V., Newspapers and schools have been infested with the subject matter for about 45 some odd years now... I have three kids in school and they are telling me about all this stuff, all over again.

Bottom line "Get over it, it happened, it's done"

BTW, I finished "Degrelle's" book finally and enjoyed it! Amazing since I'm not even a NAZI or even a want-to-be at that...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 7:51:24 AM   
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Let this thread die. Google for this mislead individual as I suggested in post 165, look what kind of individuals is assembled in that forum, and it is fully clear why this thread here was opened. Don't help this group to more prominent hits in search engines than they already achieved.

As for those who claim to have hundreds of books on WWII and who enjoyed this or that book that has been ripped apart in professional evaluations: You are prime examples why history repeats itself.

Reading should be a critical process, doing cross-comparison with other sources, evaluating the presented data to be able to really gain solid knowledge. And the most important thing should be recognizing parallels when they start forming again in today's societies. But that would require the ability to recognize and tap multiple non-biased news sources, but that's asked too much of people only interested in superficial entertainment and who mistake Fox TV for anything else than Goebbels-style propaganda...

@Lrfss: It speaks for itself that you enjoy the output of an "unrepentant nazi" and that you think that industrialized mass murder should be something not worth mentionning again. Let's just forget it, hm? Crimes against humanity is not something happening again and again. At least not in my cosy free Texas and why should the rest of the planet bugger me at all... What a nice product of the US education and information system you are, awesome.



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 8:00:47 AM   
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You answer MY question,if someone saw you reading a book about the german attack on france and scolded you for reading pro nazi literature and how can you read that don't you remember the holocaust.What would be your intelligent responce[sorry i know that intelligent part is a stretch]?

Can I answer this question First I would size up who the heck has the nerve to question what I'm reading, being in particular I live in America and all, Thank God Now if that person was annoying as say someone I won't name that posts here that appears to be a troll like liberal luny with an extreme backward way of thinking, I would tell that person to move on as they have no clue and it's none of thier concern in essense! If that doesn't work, I guess it's time to breakout that 'ole can of whoop A** Don't mess with Texas, we still have Freedom here!

I just checked my library and I have about 600 books on WWII and only two deal with the Holocaust at length, those two books were part of a series is why I even have them! I don't need any books on that subject as my T.V., Newspapers and schools have been infested with the subject matter for about 45 some odd years now... I have three kids in school and they are telling me about all this stuff, all over again.

Bottom line "Get over it, it happened, it's done"

BTW, I finished "Degrelle's" book finally and enjoyed it! Amazing since I'm not even a NAZI or even a want-to-be at that...







'Get over it, it happened, it's done'

Is this in reference to the camps? I'm asking because surely your not discarding what happened with such a line. Surely not?
I see you said 'Don't mess with Texas, we still have Freedom here!'...

What kind of freedom allows a man to be so dismissive?
Empathy and understanding are not traits to be only set aside for liberals, feeling for the poor wretched souls who died in the camps is not being weak or a loon.

If your willing to read the words of a Nazi- and exclaim its greatness, maybe you should read the words of a Nazi's victim to fully round off your joy of freedom!

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 4:32:38 PM   
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You answer MY question,if someone saw you reading a book about the german attack on france and scolded you for reading pro nazi literature and how can you read that don't you remember the holocaust.What would be your intelligent responce[sorry i know that intelligent part is a stretch]?

Can I answer this question First I would size up who the heck has the nerve to question what I'm reading, being in particular I live in America and all, Thank God Now if that person was annoying as say someone I won't name that posts here that appears to be a troll like liberal luny with an extreme backward way of thinking, I would tell that person to move on as they have no clue and it's none of thier concern in essense! If that doesn't work, I guess it's time to breakout that 'ole can of whoop A** Don't mess with Texas, we still have Freedom here!

I just checked my library and I have about 600 books on WWII and only two deal with the Holocaust at length, those two books were part of a series is why I even have them! I don't need any books on that subject as my T.V., Newspapers and schools have been infested with the subject matter for about 45 some odd years now... I have three kids in school and they are telling me about all this stuff, all over again.

Bottom line "Get over it, it happened, it's done"

BTW, I finished "Degrelle's" book finally and enjoyed it! Amazing since I'm not even a NAZI or even a want-to-be at that...







'Get over it, it happened, it's done'

Is this in reference to the camps? I'm asking because surely your not discarding what happened with such a line. Surely not?
I see you said 'Don't mess with Texas, we still have Freedom here!'...

What kind of freedom allows a man to be so dismissive?
Empathy and understanding are not traits to be only set aside for liberals, feeling for the poor wretched souls who died in the camps is not being weak or a loon.

If your willing to read the words of a Nazi- and exclaim its greatness, maybe you should read the words of a Nazi's victim to fully round off your joy of freedom!


Well no need to highlight anything here, it's all wrong and no need to put words in my mouth, thanks though! Maybe you should re-read what I wrote in the context in which it was written assuming you can see after wiping the tears from your eyes? Oh and the part about Freedom to answer such a silly question, one of the things it means here in the U.S. is "choice". BTW, I think you guys over there have some of that "Freedom" stuff going on too, enjoy while you can! As one thoughtful Poster here had mentioned the "Thought Police". Careful they may be coming to your town and already apparently entered your head, put on your Tin Foil Hat back on, it will help with the thought scans

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 4:35:34 PM   
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Let this thread die. Google for this mislead individual as I suggested in post 165, look what kind of individuals is assembled in that forum, and it is fully clear why this thread here was opened. Don't help this group to more prominent hits in search engines than they already achieved.

As for those who claim to have hundreds of books on WWII and who enjoyed this or that book that has been ripped apart in professional evaluations: You are prime examples why history repeats itself.

Reading should be a critical process, doing cross-comparison with other sources, evaluating the presented data to be able to really gain solid knowledge. And the most important thing should be recognizing parallels when they start forming again in today's societies. But that would require the ability to recognize and tap multiple non-biased news sources, but that's asked too much of people only interested in superficial entertainment and who mistake Fox TV for anything else than Goebbels-style propaganda...

@Lrfss: It speaks for itself that you enjoy the output of an "unrepentant nazi" and that you think that industrialized mass murder should be something not worth mentionning again. Let's just forget it, hm? Crimes against humanity is not something happening again and again. At least not in my cosy free Texas and why should the rest of the planet bugger me at all... What a nice product of the US education and information system you are, awesome.


Thank you, I'm honored. It's the only thing I've read that you stated that I would concur with

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 4:52:46 PM   
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who mistake Fox TV for anything else than Goebbels-style propaganda

A liberal progressive,I knew it but did'nt want to bring up politic's.Now I have to wonder why you object so much to neo-NAZI'S,it's short for national SOCIALIST being a socialist yourself what's the problem.If I had known I was argueing with a liberal progressive socialist
I would'nt,for how can my meagre intelligence compete against the super brain that dwell's in this miscreant's head.
I'm willing to bet you have an altar to woodrow wilson down in your parent's basement where you sit in your boxers one hand jammed down the front of them carefully scanning forums for opinion's that don't jib with your holier than thou super intellect,you must be a real buzz killer at parties.
Now as for denieing the holocaust,it's impossible.National SOCIALIST germany was the most beurocratic government in history and kept detailed record's of everything including the final solution.
Interstingly when i was in the army in germany in the mid '70's I could'nt find any national SOCIALIST'S.Also nobody supported the national SOCIALIST party and nobody voted for hitler.The word's "collective guilt" come to mind.
This is my last post on this subject,now in the immortal word's of John Wayne in Big Jake"you can go to hell"[but you won't be insulted for as
being a progressive liberal socialist you don't believe in hell or heaven do you].
By the way the national SOCIALISTparty was a LEFTIST organization which is why I find it ironic when a liberal call's a conservative a nazi[national SOCIALIST]Bye bye bird brain

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 5:48:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lrfss


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ORIGINAL: Reconvet
What a nice product of the US education and information system you are, awesome.


Thank you, I'm honored. It's the only thing I've read that you stated that I would concur with


Well, I had my doubts that you'd dig the obvious irony in my statement above. Live on your merry life, unsoiled by other "values" than texan patriotism.



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 6:05:35 PM   
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Now as for denieing the holocaust,it's impossible.National SOCIALIST germany was the most beurocratic government in history and kept detailed record's of everything including the final solution.


Oh my, now your buddies will be angry with you. You should have claimed that there didn't exist anything like a final solution, and that all the evidence was fully made up by the evil occupation forces (all controlled by the jewish-bolshevik world conspiracy against heroic germany of course) which turned your idols into martyrs. That's the usual tactic the likes of you normally use when confronted, no? Now you'll be expelled from your arian circles...


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ORIGINAL: barkorn45
Interstingly when i was in the army in germany in the mid '70's I could'nt find any national SOCIALIST'S.Also nobody supported the national SOCIALIST party and nobody voted for hitler.


So you were looking for neo buddies when you served and felt lonely because they were still undercover back then?

As for the rest of your output: ***yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn***


Damn, I really wanted to stop feeding you trolls. I'll have to try harder, but somehow this thread is getting so absurd that it kind of starts to get funny...



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 7:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		While wallowing in the mud and filth of the trollways is something I've, on occasion, descended to. However...

This thread has obviously outlived it usefulness and has long ago been derailed from WitE.

It would be nice if it could die it's death and get locked down. The mud has turned to crap and the smell is getting far too unbearable.

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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 7:22:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Panama

While wallowing in the mud and filth of the trollways is something I've, on occasion, descended to. However...

This thread has obviously outlived it usefulness and has long ago been derailed from WitE.

It would be nice if it could die it's death and get locked down. The mud has turned to crap and the smell is getting far too unbearable.



+1 (I asked in my first post, looooong ago, to lock this one up...)



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RE: Leon Degrelle - 4/13/2011 9:05:14 PM   
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who mistake Fox TV for anything else than Goebbels-style propaganda

A liberal progressive,I knew it but did'nt want to bring up politic's.Now I have to wonder why you object so much to neo-NAZI'S,it's short for national SOCIALIST being a socialist yourself what's the problem.If I had known I was argueing with a liberal progressive socialist
I would'nt,for how can my meagre intelligence compete against the super brain that dwell's in this miscreant's head.
I'm willing to bet you have an altar to woodrow wilson down in your parent's basement where you sit in your boxers one hand jammed down the front of them carefully scanning forums for opinion's that don't jib with your holier than thou super intellect,you must be a real buzz killer at parties.
Now as for denieing the holocaust,it's impossible.National SOCIALIST germany was the most beurocratic government in history and kept detailed record's of everything including the final solution.
Interstingly when i was in the army in germany in the mid '70's I could'nt find any national SOCIALIST'S.Also nobody supported the national SOCIALIST party and nobody voted for hitler.The word's "collective guilt" come to mind.
This is my last post on this subject,now in the immortal word's of John Wayne in Big Jake"you can go to hell"[but you won't be insulted for as
being a progressive liberal socialist you don't believe in hell or heaven do you].
By the way the national SOCIALISTparty was a LEFTIST organization which is why I find it ironic when a liberal call's a conservative a nazi[national SOCIALIST]Bye bye bird brain



Sweet Jesus. That's one of the most incredible posts I've ever read.

Are you George W Bush?

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