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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/5/2011 5:11:45 PM

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Had it been a rifle corps with the same odds, it would never have worked!

Trying to improve my learning curve this is an interesting statement. I thought "odds" as a result of "modified combat values" are the bottom line of all factors, so that the outcome won't depend anymore of additional factors after modified combat value has been determined.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/6/2011 11:02:51 PM

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I don't know why really, I am basing this on actual battlefield experience so to speak. A Tank or Mech corps on the defense is not as strong as its CV on the counter might indicate.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 5:35:52 PM

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Turn 143. March 9 1944. Snow.

Things are going from bad to worse in the South. But a panzer coprs has been railed to the area. Let's hope they can do something about the situation...

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 5:39:38 PM

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Tarhunnas...you need to retreat, man. Cut your losses. Think big picture here.

You're throwing good money after bad and compromising your entire strategic situation and probably creating more opportunities for pockets and bigger ones to boot.

Fall back. Write those suckers off. You are way way way too far forward and trying to hold on to a position which is untenable.

Your defensive lines for 1944 in the south should be based on the Dnepr -- and hold that line until it freezes over again in the 44-5 winter. You are hundreds of miles east of that down south. You have no business at all hanging out by Rostov or the Donbas. You want to be at the Dnepr by the time mud hits and get dug in, deep, with the panzers held in reserve to check any attempts to cross it.

Right now you are just allowing yourself to be nibbled to death in this completely exposed position.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:12:47 PM

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...but the panzer boys do the trick and push back the Soviet spearheads with heavy losses. But things are looking dicey for next turn.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:34:55 PM

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Army group B evacuates Kharkov in the nick of time. Leading from the front! A Rumanian security division is given the honorable task of rearguard.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:35:01 PM

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Flaviusx/Tarhunnas,

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Your defensive lines for 1944 in the south should be based on the Dnepr -- and hold that line until it freezes over again in the 44-5 winter.

From your experience, you really think the Dnepr can be hold from spring 44 until winter 44/45? Looking at the last OOB from t135 Ger isn't short of hardware, but low on men. OTOH, the Dnepr offers the only good defense position in the south.
Btw, what's the status around the bulge that protrudes from the Crimea ?

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:36:27 PM

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Production. Armaments are still the bottleneck.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:43:20 PM

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Tarhunnas...you need to retreat, man. Cut your losses. Think big picture here.

You're throwing good money after bad and compromising your entire strategic situation and probably creating more opportunities for pockets and bigger ones to boot.

Fall back. Write those suckers off. You are way way way too far forward and trying to hold on to a position which is untenable.

Your defensive lines for 1944 in the south should be based on the Dnepr -- and hold that line until it freezes over again in the 44-5 winter. You are hundreds of miles east of that down south. You have no business at all hanging out by Rostov or the Donbas. You want to be at the Dnepr by the time mud hits and get dug in, deep, with the panzers held in reserve to check any attempts to cross it.

Right now you are just allowing yourself to be nibbled to death in this completely exposed position.

Maybe you are right. I am retreating at a rate of 1-2 hexes per turn along most of the front, but it is easy to get caught in situations like this.

I am not confident in my abaility to hold the Dnepr for the summer however.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:45:48 PM

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Have you reduced your TOEs on the arm point consuming stuff (eg artillery, pioneers) ?

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:51:13 PM

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Question for the testers or powers that be: Why is Tarhunnas's armaments so low? There are now nearly 500,000 Germans and Hiwis, waiting to be issued Rifles.

Germans should run low on Manpower, but not Armaments. What gives with this? Granted this was an earlier start, but shouldn't increased Armament production be helping Tarhunnas out by now?

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/8/2011 6:56:48 PM

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This game proceeded to the point where the shortfall in armaments was so huge that merely patching over to 1.05 wouldn't cover it. The longer you played with the old bug, the worse the shortfall would be.

To put things right, I think the game would need to be hotfixed with an armament dump of several hundred thousand points in the German pool.

The lack of armaments is also part of the reason I'd be willing to write off these formations down south and run like hell to the Dnepr. The Wehrmacht is bleeding and can't even keep up to strength what it has. It's got too many formations covering too long a front. Drastic economies need to be made here. The Red Army will just grind the Whermacht to a pulp as thing presently stand, and the Germans will eventually collapse like a bad souffle and then it will be a non stop march west with nothing but logistics to stop the Red Army.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/9/2011 9:12:59 PM

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Turn 144. March 16 1944.

Stubbornness has its price... A nasty little breakthrogh. And I can hardly both rescue my surrounded units and counterattack the breakthrough. Maybe time to follow Flaviusx advice and write them off...

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/10/2011 5:06:33 PM

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Map after Axis moves. Fortress area lower Don is left to fend for itself, while the rest of Army Group A withdraws. As can be seen, defense lines are being prepared to the rear. As soon as mud strikes, we will pull back to the Dnepr and fortify that position thoroughly.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/10/2011 5:10:44 PM

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Nice to see you're still fighting it out around Stalino :)

How's the health of the Wehrmacht going? Do you think a Minor Victory is still feasible? I'd be starting to count VP's...

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/12/2011 3:50:03 PM

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Nice to see you're still fighting it out around Stalino :)

How's the health of the Wehrmacht going? Do you think a Minor Victory is still feasible? I'd be starting to count VP's...

Well, it's on a downward curve. I am praying for mud.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/12/2011 3:51:32 PM

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The south after Axis moves turn 145.

The retreat continues. If mud doesn't come soon we are in trouble...

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/14/2011 8:06:21 PM

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Turn 147. April 6 1944. Mud, finally, at least on part of the front.

Here is the south after Axis moves. Unfortunately, the weather in the far south went from snow directly to clear (How realistic is that? One would think that at least one turn of mud in between would be reasonable). A general withdrawal to the Dnepr is in progress.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/14/2011 8:09:04 PM

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In the north, most units are in static to limit attrition. The line is starting to be outflanked to the south however...

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/14/2011 8:11:14 PM

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Losses during the Axis turn. Some counterattacks burn the Soviet spearheads.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/15/2011 9:11:37 PM

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Great AAR. I am in a 1942-1945 campaign as the Germans right now and these Arnamenents problems are not inspiring... However I've noticed if you can avoid major blunders most Russian attacks can be parried... for a while at least.

How is your Luftwaffe holding up?

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/17/2011 8:05:10 PM

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How is your Luftwaffe holding up?

Well, I am not an expert on the air side of things, but it seems to be doing ok. Here is an OOB from turn 148.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/17/2011 8:05:43 PM

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And here are air losses so far...

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/17/2011 8:09:55 PM

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Turn 148. April 13 1944.

Here is the weather! This just isn't fair! Snow on the most important part of the front! It should be mud! What did we Germans do to deserve this?

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/19/2011 11:17:18 PM

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Turn 149. This spring is not like other springs!

All snow and no mud, even though it's April 20. Map after Axis moves. Withdrawal to the Dnepr is in progress. The troops have just celebrated the Fuhrers birthday.

Note that a brave garrison is holding out on the shore of the sea of Azov (ok, they happened to be surrounded).

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/19/2011 11:18:58 PM

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Turn 148. April 13 1944.

Here is the weather! This just isn't fair! Snow on the most important part of the front! It should be mud! What did we Germans do to deserve this?

you agreed to use the wretched random weather

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/20/2011 11:42:22 AM

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Turn 148. April 13 1944.

Here is the weather! This just isn't fair! Snow on the most important part of the front! It should be mud! What did we Germans do to deserve this?

you agreed to use the wretched random weather

Actually, random weather can be an advantage to either side, depending on luck, though I think the fact that the Soviets move second tend to give them a long term advantage, wether the weather is random or fixed.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/20/2011 11:45:56 AM

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Turn 150. April 27 1944.

Another turn-jubilee! This is the first time I have reached turn 150!

On the ground, a reassuring blanket of mud covers Russia! At last!

Below an overview of the front. Note that a bulge has developed at Vyshni Volochek. I am loth to pull back, as most units there are in excellent fortifications, and they are static. No problem with the APs, but I want to keep them in static to cut down on attrition.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/20/2011 11:49:19 AM

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Not everyone has cause to celebrate however. A Soviet offensive during last (snow) turn cut off some units, and during mud it proves impossible to save them all. Map after Axis moves.

The retreat to the Dnepr is continuing, and hopefully we will have decent fortifications in place when the mud is over.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 11/20/2011 4:34:29 PM

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Turn 151. Mostly mud, so we turn to production. The pool of unemployed is increasing relentlessly. Almost half a million young Germans are spending their youth in the barracks playing cards and waiting for a rifle, and their ranks are swelled by idle Hiwis from the east. A lost generation!

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