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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/4/2011 10:34:42 PM   
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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/4/2011 10:39:49 PM   
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Kremetchug
Ordzhonikidzegrad
Nikolaev
Kursk
Tula
Kalinin

Leningrad is ripe for the picking.

I don't know what happened really, the last two turns it seems like Soviet resistance is crumbling. Like they ran out of units. I am no expert on casualty calculation (I consider myslef an expert in inflicting them though ) but it seems to me that Soviet casualties are not excessive at this point. Well, I will try not to succumb to victory disease again, but things do seem bright at this point.


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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/4/2011 10:56:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're still in good shape to seal that big pocket next turn.

It might be interesting to see how many units you've destroyed in the last few turns.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/4/2011 11:26:50 PM   
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It might be interesting to see how many units you've destroyed in the last few turns.


Not all that many actually. They seem to rout a lot though, I would say in some sectors of the front half the Soviet units seem to be routed after my turn.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/5/2011 2:47:41 AM   
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That 51, plus the pretty decent numbers before that look telling. If you can get that big pocket set and eliminated, he'll be in a world of hurt for units.


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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/5/2011 6:44:20 AM   
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That 51, plus the pretty decent numbers before that look telling. If you can get that big pocket set and eliminated, he'll be in a world of hurt for units.



Yes, it does. The thing is, I can't really recall killing that many units on turn 10, nor can I see it when I look back at the AAR, but apparently I did.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 5:25:52 AM   
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That 51, plus the pretty decent numbers before that look telling. If you can get that big pocket set and eliminated, he'll be in a world of hurt for units.



Yes, it does. The thing is, I can't really recall killing that many units on turn 10, nor can I see it when I look back at the AAR, but apparently I did.


Further investigation (serious interrogation of prisoners as to what unit they belonged to) reveals that apparently the main part of the 51 units were support units. I guess I bagged a couple of army HQs.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 5:36:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 13. Overview of northern part of front. Due to supply difficulties and Soviet remnants fighting with desperate ferocity, it proved impossible to close the big northern pocket. Still, the entire front north of Moscow is seriously unhinged.

Leningrad is now a mopping up operation for the infantry with the Ladoga port taken via the back door.

German infantry is making good progress through the defensive belts of Moscow. Hopeful German infantry officers raise their binoculars, looking for the glint of the sun on the cupolas of the Kremlin...

In Tula, the Grossdeutschland is still isolated after its rush to capture the city, despite hard attempts to reach them by friendly forces. The situation is beginning to look dangerous, even with the Luftwaffe doing its utmost to fly in supplies. Still, the capture of the industry in Tula makes the possible loss of a regiment worthwhile.

The panzer corps that arrives as reinforcements is sent straight to AGC, to help in the final assault on Moscow.






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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 5:46:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the south, I forget to take a screenshot or do a save before I closeout the turn and send it. I usually make a save before pressing F12, then I can go back to the save and do the screenshots for the AAR in my own good time.

Anyway, back to the action, I will describe it in words. One panzer corps crossed the Dnepr between Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhe last turn along with some infantry. They also got a HQ buildup. The infantry can now clear a path for the panzers, and they make a spectacular breakout. In a slash and burn operation lone mobile divisions capture Stalino, Kharkov and Mariupol, all with their industry still left! No solid encirclements, but the capture of the industry is an objective in itself. As in Tula, these deep penetrations risk a unit here and there, but will seriously pull the rug out of the Soviet defense.

Below a picture of the result of the slash and burn operation at the start of turn 14, before German moves. As predicted, the penetrating divisions are stuck far out and isolated, but the Soviet armies are pulling back heels over head.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 5:59:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is the central part of the front. Some medium size pockets were made there last turn. Shot before Axis turn 14, with isolated units highlighted.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 6:04:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anttrail antipartisan defense. Note that partisans will not blow the rails adjacent to a combat unit. The FZs and regiments protect the rail line. The unit under the railbreak combat symbol is a construction unit with CV 0. Note anttrails going back to Germany on jump map.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 6:00:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just discovered that the Sovits have had the gall to actually rout my Rumanian tank dividion! Wonder wherever they got the idea to pick on the Rumanians?

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 10:28:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 14 in the north, after Axis moves. The big mega-pocket is finally closed, though it will be broken. However, I have no doubt I will be able to reseal it, and with that seal the fate of all those Soviet units.

Leningrad is being mopped up and the Finns are trickling south.

LVII Panzer Corps have been moved up towards Borovichi from their somewhat ill-fated session at Staraja Russa to help with the final sealing of the pocket, hopefully next turn.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 10:32:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the center, concentric attacks are closing in on Moscow, panzers from Kalinin and Kaluga and infantry from the centre. Large parts of the Moscow defenses are cut off. They will no doubt reestablish supply, but it will force them to leave their fortifications. OKH estimates it is now only a matter of time before Moscow falls.

Plans are being made to demobilize a large part of the army. Only security forces will have to remain in Russia. That winter clothing clogging the rail sidings in Poland can safely be sent back to the warehouses...




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 10:37:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the south, the SS Wiking division is cut off in ravaged Kharkov. It proved impossible to relieve them, so they will have to hold out for one turn more. However, otherwise the Soviet front is in shreds, and the chances of cutting off and destroying a large part of the Southern Front appear favorable.

The Crimea has been bypassed and that section of the front is left to the Rumanians to hold, That might backfire come winter, but the capturing of the cities in the eastern Ukraine seems more important.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/10/2011 10:39:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Losses turn 14. We are closing up on the 3 million mark!




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 1:15:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't appear that your opponent is very aggressive. He should have been making attacks from about turn 3 or 4 onwards. I spotted many Axis units that were susceptible to Soviet attacks. You tend to split up a lot of your units into regiments and against a good Soviet player those would be prime targets as would be any division with a defensive cv of 7 or less.

You've been able to maintain the strategic initiative throughout the game and making him dance to your tune so far. It appears he is on his last legs and any possible Soviet recovery at this point is probably non-existant.

What I would like to know is on what turns and how many times you might have used the Hq build-up? I noticed it being used a few times on various turns, but didn't keep track of it. 

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 9:22:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I can determine by memory and the AAR (and I feel pretty sure those are all), these are the HQ buildups I have made:

Turn 4: 2 Corps AGC (one in Pg2 and one in Pg3)
Turn 9: 1 Corps AGC
Turn 10: 1 Corps AGC
Turn 11: 2 Corps AGC (one in Pg2 and one in Pg3)
Turn 12: 2 Corps AGS

The turn number is the turn I did the buildup, the benefits of course would be in the subsequent turn. At present, turn 15, my truck situation is 156 (154).

I did HQ buildup on two corps this turn (15) in Pg2, to complete the surrounding of Moscow next turn (haven't had the time to write up the AAR for turn 15 yet).

As for Soviet counterattacks, there have been a number, and some have occasionally retreated regiments and displaced headquarters, only I have not mentioned them as they have generally been of little consequence for the greater picture, although they have inflicted casualties. I have noted that one consequence of units being retreated by counterattacks will be a morale drop, which can have important effects in that the division mauled will thereafter pay 3 MP instead of 2 to enter enemy controlled hexes, and that can make a big difference in a breakthrough.

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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 3:29:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 15. In the north, the Mega-Pocket at Vyshni Volochek is finally closed, and this time it should stay closed.

Meanwhile, the attack on Moscow goes forward...




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 3:33:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		... and the winner in the race for Moscow is a rather late entrant, the 2d Panzer Division, fresh from the Balkans. Exploiting a breakthrough at Kaluga, the 2d Panzer curls around Moscow and enters from the East! When the leading elements roll into the Red Square, crowds line the streets to cheer what they think are reinforcements heading for the front, but the crowds grow silent and enthusiasm turns to dismay as the distinctive coal scuttle helmets of the "reinforcements" are seen!

Map after German move. Note the "slime trail" that shows the route of 2d Panzer to the Red Square.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 3:50:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the wooded wastes to the east of Leningrad, the Finns are feeling the cost of war. The Finnish cavalry brigade has advanced too far in its eagerness to make contact with the Germans, and is cut off and forced to surrender in a Soviet conterattack!




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 3:53:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the south, mud strikes, making operations impossible in large parts of the Ukraine. There goes the chance of trapping a large part of the Soviet southern front.... Well, mud was bound to happen sooner or later when playing with random weather, and september is definitely better than july. SS Wiking will just have to sit and chew their belts while the rain splatters on the roofs of Kharkov...




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 8:44:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16. October 2 1941.

Eh... something slightly embarrassing has happened in the Ukraine. The SS LAH was cut off and impossible to reach due to the mud... and now they seem to have surrendered! Wonder how we are to explain this to the Fuhrer...? But on the other hand, this just goes to show that war should be left to the professionals in the military. This is what happens when amateurs like those SS jocks play at soldiers. But we will perhaps not say that in the report to Wolfsschanze.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 8:47:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the north, the Soviets have unfortunately broken the Mega-Pocket in a display of slavic cunning. Now it is resealed again, and this time it shall hold! The panzers race east towards Rybinsk, and encircle an extra clutch of divisions to compensate.

Leningrad is cleaned out, and in the north the Finns immediately start to chew up Soviet units in revenge for the stricken cavalry brigade.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 8:51:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16, Moscow.

XXIV Panzer Corps had recieved a HQ buildup last turn, but Soviet defences are improving, and with too few infantry to clear the way for the panzers, all they can achieve is a thrust to Ryazan. Meanwhile, the rest of 2d Panzer Army is working its way around Moscow, led by the XXXX Panzer corps under Stumme.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 8:55:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the far south, a thrust at the Crimea has run into trouble. The plan was to blitz through the middle gap to the Crimea, which appeared weakly held. However, that led to German units bunched in the centre and Rumanians on the flanks. This can be risky! Two German corps just barely avoid encirclement. That could have been nasty, with only Rumanians to relieve them. Map before German moves.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 8:57:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		And the south after German moves turn 16. The besiged SS division in Kharkov has still not been relieved. Hope we don't have to send another report about a surrendered SS-division to the Fuhrer...

However, if things go right it should be possible to pocket a big pile of Soviet units to the west of Kharkov next turn.




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 9:00:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		To aid in the effort to relive Kharkov and entrap the Soviet South Front, XXXXVI Panzer Corps has been transferred from AGC to 6th Army. To avoid Soviet air reconnaisance, they are now parked in a woods south of Sumy.




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Status: offline 		Losses turn 16.

We have passed the 3 million mark for Soviet casualties.

German AFV losses look on the high side, or what do you others say?




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RE: 1.04 The Wolf and the Bear (no Gids) - 5/11/2011 10:36:17 PM   
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