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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 2:26:58 AM

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The worst effect of the mud has been on supply. The southern RR repair has been caught in the mud twice now. I figure I have lost 3-4 hexes of repair due to that alone. This actually will make the whole strategy I planned far more difficult. Any far ranging 1st Panzer strike will be left far more hanging than normal. A rethinking of my goals is in order.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 2:45:06 AM

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My abused motorized divisions rest a wee bit, some gas is collected, and the infantry moves up. I am a great believer in the power of the german infantry in 1941, in the middle of the summer/autumn, they can steamroll a lot of soviets. The causual viewer will note the 9th Army north of Smolensk, the 4th Army south of that city. My goal was to either lever him out of there, or make the salient in the city so deep he couldn't get out.

I think a lot of people get fixated on the Panzer Armies and the infantry is like an afterthough. IMO they are the real workhorses of the axis army. As soviet I will back off if the infantry comes in range because as you rightly say, they just steamroller anything in thier path.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 5:59:42 AM

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PDH, you have made me feel much better. You are about as far as I get with the damn mud. Combining this, along with what several Alpha/Beta testers have said, I won't play the 1941 campaign with random weather any more. It really is one of the most frustrating things I have experienced in a game.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 6:17:53 AM

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This turn was one of my more passive turns. Only one (failed) attack against a Hungarian Motorized Brigade was launched. My forces are still a bit burned out from the fighting around Pskov and Smolensk, so I'm trying to build back up some refitted divisions, and prepare my fall back lines.

Here, in the North, the 27th Army continues to try to work itself around the 4th Pz Gp, and the rest of AGN. I should be able to reach Oranienbaum and Leningrad on the Baltic Coast, and from there, either help defend Leningrad, threaten 4th Pz Gp's flank, or evacuate over the ports to the southern coast of Lake Ladoga, so that I can eventually join it up with the 24th and 31st Armies, which will be assigned to the Reserve Front next turn.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 6:18:07 AM

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In the region between Lake Ilmen and Smolensk, it is mostly quiet. PDH has been driving his infantry along the Dvina River to clear the railway to Vitebsk. The railhead is still 30 miles NW of Vitebsk, but next turn he should be able to convert to Vitebsk, and being over the Dvina at that point it will significantly increase his supply throw to his dangling bulge south of Smolensk.

I am still contesting the minor river line along the upper Dnepr, to Smolensk, in an attempt to further minimize his supplies to the bulge. These forces are rather exposed, but the divisions left behind are the more beat up divisions, so it won't be too much of a loss if they tie down all those German Infantry divisions for a turn or two. If he attacks them, they may very well rout out, and if he surrounds them, I minimize my losses, and tie him up for a turn, reducing the pocket. This will hopefully give me some time to continue working on fallback lines, and get an idea of where his two Pz Groups are intending on going, once he rectifies his supply problems.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 6:18:20 AM

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Here is a more detailed shot of his bulge. Wait...can I say that here? Can I show it?

Anyhow, the town hex just off the top left corner of the map info popup box is Gorki. This shows how his railhead is advancing. After next turn, with his railhead being over the Dvina, and the minor river portion of the Dnepr being converted, he will likely be less than 20 MPs to this point. We're still using 1.04.16 at the time of this game, but knowing that the release of 1.04.22, with its restrictions to HQ Buildups, is imminent, I am keeping a very close eye on his railheads, and the distance to his HQs.

In the meantime, I am still trying to keep his mobile forces engaged. Not only for the increased attrition it will cause them, but also because there is a limit to the amount of information provided by my air recon flights. If I want to see the nitty, gritty details offered by his soft factor display, then I have to dance close with him and keep ground forces engaged. This picture shows his fuel levels are still in the red, so he has not taken advantage of the still liberal HQ Buildup rules.

Notice that though I am engaging several of his mobile units, he is now able to get some safely tucked away within the interior of his bulge.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 6:18:32 AM

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Here, west of the Dnepr, PDH's gassed up Pz Gp 1 moves along the west bank of the Dnepr clearing a path for his following infantry. His mobile units have been driven hard, and the losses have been mounting on them. He's not foolish enough to try forcing the crossing without infantry support. Thus, to slow down this drive, and reduce his strategic options as to where to try his crossing, I've been using Southern Front to skirmish with both PG1 and 11th Army.

After his turn, my 9th Army has withdrawn across the Dnepr and taken up the fort line at Kremenchug. This section here is one of my favorite ones to force a crossing, and though the 9th has been in constant battle with the Axis for the last 6 turns, it is lead by one of my better generals, and can hopefully blunt any crossing here. I don't entertain any real hope of holding the line, of course, but if I can minimize the breakthrough, I've got fairly strong reserves in the area to counterattack and further wear down any exploiting Panzers.

This screenshot also shows the interesting strategic predicament that both PDH and I share. Him where to attack, and me, where to anticipate. The roughly parallel course that PG1 and PG2/3 are taking will make it a little harder for him to pull off a Kiev pocketing, as PG 1 will have to both make it across the Dnepr, as well as exploit far enough to inhibit my escape. This will take a couple of turns, at least, and PG 2/3 are not really supplied well enough to pull this off. Yet. However, in a couple of turns, all bets are off as this would surely give him time to rest, refit and gas up several Pz Korps, bring up his infantry and really give me hell. Unfortunately, I don't know if a Kiev pocket is in the works, a drive to the Dnepr Basin, a right hook around Smolensk. A strike at Vyazma, or Bryansk, setting up a drive on Moscow are also possible. So many things to defend against, with him possessing interior lines at his bulges, make the defending a tricky proposition. Mainly, I'm trying to checkerboard, build reserves and keep my railways running at 100% utilization, so that I can evacuate as much industry as possible now, and have capacity to shift an army or two to meet any thrusts.

A very intense game.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 6:18:45 AM

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I know that PDH has been the one who has suffered more at the hands of inclement weather, but this turn, I was adversely affected by it, as well. My plan for this turn was to hightail it away from the 11th Army and abandon the Yuzhny Bug line. I wanted to bring Coastal Army and other Southern Front units up to skirmish with PG1, along the western bank of the Dnepr, blocking the path to the basin. Then, on the following turn, to consolidate the Southern Front armies safely on the east bank. Unfortunately, with the mud, I couldn't extricate as much of the Coastal Army and Southern Front units as I wanted. and was left a bit strung out, and still on the Yuzhny Bug.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 6:18:58 AM

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Here is the OOB and ground casualties shot. As you can see, this has been a fairly bloody game, thus far. Over the last couple of turns, with combat losses, and irrepairable AFVs mounting, he's been dropped to less than 1500 active German AFVs. Given that this is only turn 7, this is encouraging, as it should reduce the amount of trouble he gets into as the Summer wears on.

On the other side of that coin, is the fact that PDH is very good at keeping focused, and keeps his mobile formations en masse, so even though they have been attrited, they are still in capable hands and very dangerous. Especially when gassed up.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 12:50:48 PM

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Here is a more detailed shot of his bulge. Wait...can I say that here? Can I show it?

LMAO that is such a brilliant screenshot of his bulge

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 8:33:26 PM

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It looks a bit droopy to me

Mind you, a drive on Moscow will certainly perk it up (and the picture!)

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/25/2011 9:24:18 PM

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It looks a bit droopy to me

Mind you, a drive on Moscow will certainly perk it up (and the picture!)

Don't worry. No matter where he points it, I'll be all over it, like a leaky condom. Hmmn...that doesn't sound as intimidating as it was supposed to...

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/27/2011 5:57:47 PM

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Turn 8 - Decisions

The turn dawns without the mud I expected. For the record, I also expect blizzard in November and no snow turns December-February.

In the north I am faced with choices. I can cut off the westernmost Soviet units (baggine perhaps 8 divisions), or fight to clear Leningrad. Really, it is no choice, while 60k surrenders are nice, I would be no closer to Leningrad and another turn behind. Instead I do the "cut across" move. Resistance is strong, 4th Panzer gets little help, and in the end while I have done some advancing it is not as much as hoped.

The question might arise as to why I did this and why I left units exposed. The reason is aggression, hopefully focused. While I was not expecting the reaction this turn and the next to be so severe, the goal is to unhinge the defenses. If this means retreats and routes of my units, I face this. It is not great tank terrain, but as long as the hexes are not converted, the 18th Army will lag behind.

Added to this is the sense of urgency I have for lost time - I am willing to trade losses to make the situation more favorable. As will be seen, I gained some and I lost some.

Here is the Leningrad region on turn 8

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/27/2011 6:02:08 PM

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The Center 8

Not much happening, the realization that my "deep drive" by 2nd and 3rd Panzer Groups was stalled by JAMs defending meant last turn was mostly rest, and turn 8 was rest as well. This means several things - 1) The armor is replenished somewhat (they are not June 22nd level but far more solid than 2 weeks before), 2) They armor has gas, and 4) My plans are more wide open and I am not locked into any one plan.

(note - option 3 involved pretending the game didn't exist and that I never started this game, it was left off due to reality)

The infanty has used this spell to move up, and they are quite smartly spanking the defenders when they get a chance. This is good for my ego, but really the front has been rather quiet.

Center armor, turn 8

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/27/2011 6:05:12 PM

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Smolensk Squeeze

The one area of happenings with a purpose on turn 8 was around Smolensk. JAM is not the type to give up good defensive terrain, and so the change to squeeze the Smolensk region did happen. From the north the 9th Army took down the defenders to a thin strip - the 4th army pinned them from the south. This means the front units cannot easily get out, and the cance to surround the city appears.

Given the response of JAM, this could be a nice pocket or just a fairly painless way to grab Smolensk. It does have to be taken soon, so the railhead keeps up.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/27/2011 6:08:19 PM

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In the south

Here my plan continues. Hexes along the Dnepr are converted so infanty can try to swoop to whatever crossing point seems the best. I expect JAM knows now the region I will try this, but I will have strength. The important bit to crossing here, if you do not get an early coup de main, is stacks of infantry and gassed tanks. The bridgehead must be exploited or the German player will face a single corps surrounded by a massed (and mostly dug in) wall of defenders.

Of course, I could just surrender now too. It is getting close to the "Axis give up" point.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/27/2011 6:11:51 PM

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11th Army, Turn 8

Back on track after mud more dense than a PhD thesis in Sociology, the 11th Army slams over the Bug.

The goal here is to cross in force and to not give up my ultimate goal of this army. I don't want JAM to know yet if they are aiming for the Bend or for the Crimea.

Ultimately, if you are going to cross a major river, cross it in force and get clear of the water. Cross, exploit the flanks of the bridgehead and make the region yours. Even small forces can mess up a crossing if the Germans are not concentrated and ready to use enough force.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 5/27/2011 6:14:32 PM

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Decisions in the Center

I wrote above how the rest was needed, but it could also be an advantage. This wider shot with magical arrows shows what I mean.

The original advance could be started back up, now that the railhead is closer and the armor is gassed up, or a whole new axis of advance for the axis to advance on could be undertaken. I do not reveal any secrets here as the next couple of turns have been played, but expect from me the aggressive tack.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/2/2011 7:30:58 AM

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Here is the screenshot of the action around Leningrad. PDH left me a couple of exposed mobile units to pick on, so I counterattacked in force to drive them back. As mentioned before, each loss to them means a chance at reducing their morale, in addition to the casualties I can cause. In this case, over a 100 panzers were destroyed in one battle, and two of his mobile units were dropped down to CV levels usually reserved for my units.

The 27th Army is pretty much withdrawn to safety, around Leningrad. It will likely be needed to defend the city proper, but if I can get the chance, I still want to try and evacuate it across Lake Ladoga in order to join up with the rest of the Reserve Front that is stationed around Lake Ilmen. The progress that PDH makes, emergencies created, or opportunities presented, will determine whether or not Berzarin gets freed up to make mischief along the Volkhov, or becomes the Hero of Leningrad.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/2/2011 7:31:09 AM

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The big, zoomed out view of the Center. Here, I am stuck trying to guess where PDH is going to head with his Pz Groups, after they are rested, fueled and supported by the German infantry.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/2/2011 7:31:20 AM

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The big view of the South, along the Dnepr River and its basin.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/2/2011 7:31:37 AM

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Here is the OOB/Losses collage. Mostly presented to keep an eye on the German AFV numbers. This turn sees him still below 1500 active AFVs. Even though he has almost the same number active as last turn, his total (which includes damaged components) is about 100 less. His resting Pz Groups have sucked up a fair number of repaired tanks, but the overall losses remain high. I intend on driving them higher at every opportunity.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/8/2011 12:38:47 AM

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Just back from vacation (Sunny California? The Bay Area got more rain last weekend than my first 7 turns!)

Will update this soon.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/8/2011 2:29:57 AM

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Just back from vacation (Sunny California? The Bay Area got more rain last weekend than my first 7 turns!)

Will update this soon.

LoL...being here over the last week, and knowing you were local, I figured you would gain something of a (grudging) appreciation for the random weather setting in our game.

That, or you'd think that I do, in reality, have the weather gods firmly in my back pocket...

Of course, if that was true, then turn 12 was the turn that I really could have used some mud in the, as yet, dry Northern Soviet Zone...

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/9/2011 3:52:54 AM

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First - An explanation of turn 9

Well, I lost my save at the end of turn 9. By lost I mean that I can't find it. All for the best...in the north 4th Panzer drove to cut the rails to Leningrad and were punished (20th Panzer was retreat-routed - others were hurt), but I did shake things up there. My motto is that the Germans did have at least one Panzer Division routed in real life, why worry about that and instead grab initiative and drive.

In the Center the rested tanks of 2nd and 3rd Panzer Groups drove toward Kaluga - in a way the "north arrow" of my ideas. The goal was again to shake things up, but more importantly threaten Moscow which would result in massed shifts of reserves to that region.

In the South, the Dnepr was crossed as I planned, the cleared out river hexes allowed units that JAM might have thought out of range to have that critical 9MP left to deliberate attack and get the bridgeheads.

All in all, not a great turn (the north hurt), but I did do some things. As I have felt I am playing from behind from turn 4, it is good to keep initiative.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/9/2011 3:56:43 AM

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Turn 10

In the north the shock of the beaten Panzers was tough, but not killing. The 18th Army is there in force and makes itself felt. JAM had to move a fair bit to hit the tanks like he did, and perhaps he was not expecting a drive to Kolpino by L Corps. Any sort of action when I am behind by a turn is needed, and the widening of the region here for maneuver is key.

56th Panzer rests, licking their wounds. I expect them to be ready for combat my June of 1942.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/9/2011 4:01:13 AM

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Center 10

Rested tanks can do wonders, even against well prepared foes. Turn 9 saw the 2nd and 3rd Panzer Groups break through (slightly) toward Vyazma and Kaluga, and with Moscow in peril it was time for my ace in the hole. The Railheads were close, the infantry of 4th and 9th Armies was in the area to get to the front lines, and 4 mobile corps could build up for a turn 11 attack. At the least, JAM would be forced to defend Moscow well, and that would mean either a north or south movement for these units. This front would become fluid again.

Note for all would be Guderians out there - resting and fuel can make a weak effort into a much stronger one. Not telegraphing where one will go can make a strike far stronger. Keep in mind that large encirclements can still happen, even later in 1941, just use the tools you have to try for it. My use of the HQ buildup here was purely to try for a later summer equalizer.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/9/2011 4:04:35 AM

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Dnepr 10

Turn 9 saw the bridgehead, turn 10 saw that bridgehead expand. I needed to make sure infantry got across not to secure the crossing (that was done) but instead to ensure I could have a chance of breaking out. JAM I knew would fight tooth and nail, but the threat of 1st panzer driving north to meet gassed panzers of 2nd and 3rd would shake things up.

Just between you and me, the mud and attrition has weakened the 1st panzer, but don't tell JAM.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/9/2011 4:07:08 AM

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11th Army - turn 10

Here the hammer of the 11th army crosses the lower Dnepr on turn 10. I still have not made it clear if they are driving to Stalino or the Crimea, and indeed making him think one or the other will keep things lively. I can actually decide at the last moment, but I do not want the threat of the long Dnepr flank facing me. The 11th does what it can do, deliberate attack by several divisions to cross.

Really, don't underestimate what the German infantry can do in 1941, a stack of 3 close to full strength divisions can smash many things.

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RE: Maybe a New AAR - 6/13/2011 3:07:10 AM

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The "quiet" part of the front. PDH has encircled Smolensk and is driving on Vyazma. As much as I'd like to put up more of a fight in this area, I am still not sure where he intends on going with PG 2 and 3. Besides, there are some major events occurring in the north and south that are diverting my reserves and attentions.