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Making History I & II: A 41-45 GC - 5/4/2011 10:37:22 PM   
fiva55


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At precisely 0315 hours on the morning of 22 June 1941, as the last minutes of
the shortest night of the year ticked away, a storm of shellfire from thousands
of German artillery pieces shattered the calm along a 1,800km (1,080-mile)
front.

As the red blaze of explosives reinforced the feeble light of a new dawn, thirty
Luftwaffe bombers manned by handpicked crews and flying in groups of threes
delivered terror and destruction to Soviet airfields and cities.

Minutes later, from Memel' on the Baltic Seas outhward to the Prut River, the
first wave of 3,5 million German soldiers deployed along the border lunged
forward, beginning the greatest military offensive the German Army had ever
undertaken.

Barbarossa had begun.

David Glantz, Barbarossa, p. 35

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Axis: fiva55 (first 41 GC)
Soviet: Swifty (third 41 GC, though non lasted beyond the 12th turn)



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RE: Making History: A 41-45 GC - 5/4/2011 10:43:56 PM   
fiva55


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Status: offline 		My first 41 GC, though I like to think that I have at least mastered the basics of this game.
Feel free to comment on my opening moves.

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Army Group North

AGN, spearheaded by 4th Panzer Group, has been tasked with the capture of Leningrad. To ensure that this
goal is achieved, they have been reinforced by XXIII crops from 9th Army and XXXIX PzCrps from 3rd Panzer
Group.

The first week goes well, with the Daugava river crossed in force.




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RE: Making History: A 41-45 GC - 5/4/2011 10:47:17 PM   
fiva55


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AGC has been tasked to cross the Dnepr as soon as possible. Beyond that, nothings has been decided.




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RE: Making History: A 41-45 GC - 5/4/2011 10:52:38 PM   
fiva55


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AGS first objective is Kharkov. Once captured, they will be ordered to head to Stalino.
The Crimea is a target of opportunity. To ensure the most efficient use of our armoured forces,
1st Panzer group has exchanged XIV Panzer corps for XXXXVI Panzer corps from 2nd Panzer Group.

The first week goes well, with 1st Panzer Group reaching the Romanians with ease.




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RE: Making History: A 41-45 GC - 5/5/2011 12:13:41 AM   
Klydon


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Status: offline 		Good opening for a "rookie"

One issue in the south. Your rail repair may have some issues since it isn't connected into your "net" since the two hexes with red in them are not connected with each other by rail. The rail actually follows the green line. In order to get hooked in, you would have to repair that hex. I have made the same mistake as well.

Also, if you have completed movement, if I was the Russian, I would push that infantry division across the border to not only screw up your rail line, but to also send air and HQ units packing.

For AGC, I don't know that i am a fan of sending 9th army south to form a smaller pocket. I usually feel a shortage of infantry since the front opens up so much to the north from the border, so I usually try to get 9th army moving forward as well as I can. 4th army seems to have enough infantry that they can not only advance in sufficient strength, but also have enough left over to do most of the mop up work.

Always enjoy your AAR's.




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RE: Making History: A 41-45 GC - 5/5/2011 12:52:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've had a bad experience with trying to bag routed units in AGN turn 1, as they got unready on soviet turn 1 and where able to reconnect those would be pockets, hope you got better luck.

Anyway, just be careful with the Crimea, i "heard" soviets can do some nifty disembarks if you don't Garrison your ports.

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RE: Making History: A 41-45 GC - 5/5/2011 2:45:14 AM   
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The only beef I would have with opening is in agreement with Klydon: 9th army needs to hump it east as fast as possible, along with 4th army. They need to get to the land bridge at Vitebsk quickly.



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RE: Making History: A 41-45 GC - 5/5/2011 4:29:39 AM   
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Begin of turn 2 overview - 5/7/2011 1:20:57 AM   
fiva55


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Status: offline 		Thanks Klydon, totally missed that part of the rail. And my opponent did displace my airfields, I should be more careful with them.

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BEGIN OF TURN REPORT

AXIS OOB
MEN: 3.330.482
GUNS: 33.645
AFV: 3.447
AIR: 3.070

SOVIET OOB
MEN: 3.953.481
GUNS: 42.852
AFV: 14.608
AIR: 8.242

AXIS LOSSES
MEN: 35.020
GUNS: 281
AFV: 121
AIR: 198

SOVIET LOSSES
MEN: 300.630
GUNS: 3.761
AFV: 1.925
AIR: 4.495

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BEGIN OF TURN 2 FRONT LINES




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RE: Begin of turn 2 overview - 5/7/2011 9:09:22 AM   
fiva55


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END OF TURN 2 OVERVIEW

Recon shows that the Soviets have already manned the Pskov line. To prevent them from digging in too deep,
4th Panzer Army has been ordered to breach that line asap. Most of the supporting infantry have already
crossed the Daugava, with XXIII Corps left behind to mop up the remaining infantry, before securing the gap
between AGN and AGC.




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RE: Begin of turn 2 overview - 5/7/2011 9:16:51 AM   
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END OF TURN 2 OVERVIEW

In this sector, Soviet troops manned a line behind the Bezezina river, delaying our advance towards the Dnepr.
The loss of one PzCrps is felt by 3rd Pz Group, so 3rd and 2nd Panzer group settle for blowing away the Soviet
defence instead of encircling them. Supporting infantry has started to move up, but is still well behind.

Meanwhile, XIV Pz Corps has moved up to reinforce AGC.






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RE: Begin of turn 2 overview - 5/7/2011 9:23:06 AM   
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END OF TURN 2 OVERVIEW

A large concentration of troops has been identified around Rovno. 1st Pz Group
has been redirected to eliminate this threat together with XXXVI PzCrps. Once
dealt with, the Soviets will either have to heavily reinforce their southern
sector, or allow our troops free reign.

6th Army has already started moving up to support the advance of the panzers,
while large parts of 17th Army, together with the Romanian 3rd Army, are left
behind to mop up the remaining Soviets behind our lines.

Along the Romanian border, the Soviets have abandoned their positions. German
and Romanian infantry have started advancing, but were unable to catch up.




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RE: Begin of turn 2 overview - 5/7/2011 12:04:57 PM   
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RE: Begin of turn 2 overview - 5/7/2011 12:45:07 PM   
fiva55


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jajusha

Enjoy it while it lasts, soviet 1=1 ants don't last forever.


Said the guy pounding my troops with +10 CV infantry corps .

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Begin of turn 3 overview - 5/8/2011 8:51:49 PM   
fiva55


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AXIS OOB
MEN: 3.368.378
GUNS: 34.516
AFV: 3.166
AIR: 3.079

SOVIET OOB
MEN: 4.090.551
GUNS: 42.655
AFV: 11.935
AIR: 8.546

AXIS LOSSES
MEN: 63.569
GUNS: 462
AFV: 299
AIR: 298

SOVIET LOSSES
MEN: 640.277
GUNS: 8.152
AFV: 4.775
AIR: 5.232

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BEGIN OF TURN 3 FRONT LINES

Notable points

North
  • In the north, the Soviets still haven't abandoned the Pskov Line. The Luga line is still largely unmanned.

    Center
  • Northwest of Minsk, a security regiment breaks a small pocket.
  • Spearheads of 2nd Panzer group escape isolation by one hex.

    South
  • Soviet troops near Rovno break out the encirclement. However, by now they are well behind our frontlines.
  • The river line near Kiev shows the signs of a beginning carpet defence, same for the front between D-town and Z-Town. There is still a notable gap in the Soviet defence between Cherkassy and D-Town.




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    RE: Begin of turn 3 overview - 5/8/2011 9:00:58 PM   
    fiva55


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    END OF TURN 3 OVERVIEW

    4th Panzer group has finally run out of gas. Orders have been given to await the arrival of the infantry before continuing the drive towards Leningrad.




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    RE: Begin of turn 3 overview - 5/8/2011 9:04:38 PM   
    fiva55


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    END OF TURN 3 OVERVIEW

    At the risk of getting cut off, 3rd and 2nd Pz group are ordered to keep advancing. 2 panzer division of 3nd Panzer group even manage to breach the river line defence, but lacked to gas to exploit it.




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    RE: Begin of turn 3 overview - 5/8/2011 9:07:01 PM   
    fiva55


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    END OF TURN 3 OVERVIEW

    The Soviets only leave behind some scattered rearguards, allowing 1st Panzer group to make good progress.




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    Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/8/2011 9:16:41 PM   
    fiva55


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    AXIS OOB
    MEN: 3.406.748
    GUNS: 35.204
    AFV: 2.945
    AIR: 3.169

    SOVIET OOB
    MEN: 4.160.764
    GUNS: 44.401
    AFV: 10.899
    AIR: 8.173

    AXIS LOSSES
    MEN: 92.366
    GUNS: 647
    AFV: 482
    AIR: 376

    SOVIET LOSSES
    MEN: 831.972
    GUNS: 10.203
    AFV: 4.775
    AIR: 5.629

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    BEGIN OF TURN 4 FRONT LINES

    Notable points

    North
  • In the north, the Soviets have pulled back the Pskov line 20 miles. Recon shows that they are beginning to form the Luga line.

    Center
  • The entire spearhead of 3rd Panzer group has been isolated, with LVII PzCrps HQ getting overrun. This HQ is now recovering north of Riga. Emboldened by this success, the local Soviet commander rushes his troops forward, intending to finish the Germans once and for all.

    South
  • The Soviets increased the depth of their river line, but still haven't closed the gap between Cherkassy and D-town.




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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/8/2011 9:24:36 PM   
    fiva55


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    END OF TURN 4 OVERVIEW

    With help of the arrived infantry, the Pskov Line has been breached in force. 4th Panzer group makes excellent use of the 30 miles gap created by 18th Army, and rushes through towards Leningrad. Such is the speed of our advance, that when a bold panzer division commander arrives at the gates of Leningrad, the local party leader organizes a parade, thinking that the arriving tanks are Soviets retreating from the Pskov line.

    With Leningrad as good as captured, one PzCrps has been diverted to help out AGC.



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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/8/2011 9:32:20 PM   
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    So eager were the Soviets, that they abandoned part of the river line, in favour of encircling 3rd Pz Group.
    2nd Panzer group eagerly exploits this mistake, and with the help of one PzCrps arriving from AGN, everything west of Smolensk is now encircled.




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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/8/2011 9:35:51 PM   
    fiva55


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    END OF TURN 4 OVERVIEW

    In this sector, the advance of our troops is equally impressive, but mostly due to the fact that the Soviets have retreated well behind the river. Meanwhile, stubborn Soviet troops isolated in the first week continue to offer resistance.




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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/8/2011 9:51:04 PM   
    Jajusha


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    Status: offline     		Looks like you refited the 813mm "Dora" to shoot panzer divisions to Leningrad.

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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/8/2011 10:01:09 PM   
    TulliusDetritus


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    Leningrad captured on turn 4... And very nice massacre (aka pocket) in the center

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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/9/2011 12:05:50 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Jajusha

    Looks like you refited the 813mm "Dora" to shoot panzer divisions to Leningrad.


    this made me laugh :)

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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/9/2011 3:22:38 AM   
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    Great googly moogly....nothing in Leningrad?!?!

    What a coup.


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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/9/2011 3:28:14 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I have never seen that...and the Soviet generals should all be shot. Possible Finnish activation on turn 5?

    This one could be a victory in 1941...

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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/9/2011 4:43:19 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Unreal. Obviously Manny is riding in the lead tank into Leningrad. 

    Now comes the fun part of trying to keep that panzer division alive. Going to have to capture ports fast in order for the supplies to get through to Leningrad. That is a very narrow corridor and will easily be cut. How well it gets cut remains to be seen, but that one panzer division is way, way back there. I don't know if moving in there will unfreeze the Russian units or not. If not, its gonna be really tough. What will help is that huge area will flip and should make getting the rest of AGN up to help easier. Iron crosses for sure for those guys.

    Interesting what you are doing with 11th army. Most would head towards Odessa with around 2 corps or so just because Odessa can be a tough nut to crack not to mention rail repair considerations.

    Russians have to be reeling after that turn. Wow.

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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/9/2011 3:27:38 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Klydon
    Russians have to be reeling after that turn. Wow.


    One of the worst Soviet turns I have ever seen. Panzer Vorwärts! Aber mit Verstand!

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    RE: Begin of turn 4 overview - 5/9/2011 10:55:29 PM   
    fiva55


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    Status: offline     		I feel bad, my opponent is already considering to give up. I am trying to convince him to at least play till the end of winter, but I guess we will soon find out whether he resigns or not.

    Feel free to pm Swifty with words of encouragement to convince him not to give up .

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