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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/13/2011 8:23:17 PM   
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Generally speaking, the front line units which withdraw send planes and pilots to your pools anyway. I'm sure there are a few that don't, but it seems the great majority do.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/14/2011 7:04:57 AM   
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Actually, what happens to pilots in perma-withdrawn Allied units?

Not that they will be seen again, so they can be safely deleted immediately. That should save few hundred slots (if not already done).

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/14/2011 12:30:09 PM   
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So, here's an actual in-game status.

PBEM, Scenario 1, October 44. We have 37557 pilots active, and about 12000 more planes due to come in. Don't know about my opponent, but I have "some" pilots in reserve and excess in groups.

There's also 1000 WIA/KIA pilots that I assume might get pruned in a future patch.

Bottom line is we'll probably make it without excessive difficulty, although we might need to do a little management. Not that a larger limit would be nicer, but it doesn't seem like a showstopper on Scen 1.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/14/2011 7:08:40 PM   
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I vote for a "Fire the Pilot" button in addition to some preemptive house rules restricting squadrons to something like 10 percent over the paper strength. Hopefully, a careful watch of things would avoid the need for firing pilots, but the button would be a necessity if needed.

Another question for those encountering this problem. Is the game killing off pilots in your active squadrons? That, I believe, was the most serious problem in my last WITP PBEM. The system was stripping out experienced pilots gobs at a time to keep beneath the limit. Is this happening in AE, or is it just keeping you from adding pilots to your squadrons?

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/15/2011 5:02:45 AM   
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The fire the pilot option would be nice. If I've understood the discussion thus, far pilots are not disappearing in Jzanes game. They just can no longer be added.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/15/2011 6:01:36 PM   
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Will this issue come up vs the AI? If the array is shared between both sides then it shouldn't be a problem I hope. The AI doesn't seem to do any real training I don't think so no reserves, but it does seem to hold onto groups that would normally withdraw.

My reserve pools are a huge mess though. Emphasis on huge. I got sick and tired of trying to train all of the pilots with 50xp and mediocre skills that take twice as long to train up and just dumped any like that in the reserve to train fresh pilots from the pools, so my reserves are full of retard pilots with 50xp and 50 airskill or 50xp and 50 navB and nothing else. I've considered going through and drawing these pilots into a group that needs to disband (thus deleting them?) but that would be a loooot of work (plus a little silly to have a group disband with a thousand pilots in it heh). A delete pilot button would be nice.

Removing our ability to go up to 133% pilots in each group would have big consequences.

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the practice of cherry-picking pilots from a group that's withdrawing doesn't seem right.

It does seem cheesy, however from what I've read this would be SOP with any real life commander who has a choice.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/16/2011 7:18:38 PM   
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This is how my PBEM looks like, 12/44. I fear we´re very close to real trouble. I´ve got nearly 35000 pilots alone, I wonder that we haven´t gone through the 50000 already, looks like this PBEM is about to be shut down soon.




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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/16/2011 11:41:36 PM   
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This is how my PBEM looks like, 12/44. I fear we´re very close to real trouble. I´ve got nearly 35000 pilots alone, I wonder that we haven´t gone through the 50000 already, looks like this PBEM is about to be shut down soon.


Well, note that you've got >8000 inactive pilots, and >2000 pilots scheduled to come in later. The 8000 would be general reserve, TRACOM, and scenario pilots without an airgroup (this last category should be small). And I don't believe that these 10,000 pilots includes pilots in group reserve. So you're not in danger of running out of pilots any time soon. Although 15K-ish seems a little low for the Japanese.


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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/17/2011 3:30:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: erstad

quote:

This is how my PBEM looks like, 12/44. I fear we´re very close to real trouble. I´ve got nearly 35000 pilots alone, I wonder that we haven´t gone through the 50000 already, looks like this PBEM is about to be shut down soon.


Well, note that you've got >8000 inactive pilots, and >2000 pilots scheduled to come in later. The 8000 would be general reserve, TRACOM, and scenario pilots without an airgroup (this last category should be small). And I don't believe that these 10,000 pilots includes pilots in group reserve. So you're not in danger of running out of pilots any time soon. Although 15K-ish seems a little low for the Japanese.


This is correct - on another note Castor have you guys noticed the new beta which allows the culling of pilots. This game has no need to shut down unless you don't want to manage what you have. 8626 pilots in general reserve is somewhat excessive imho - start using these when drawing pilots.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/17/2011 8:19:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: n01487477


quote:

ORIGINAL: erstad

quote:

This is how my PBEM looks like, 12/44. I fear we´re very close to real trouble. I´ve got nearly 35000 pilots alone, I wonder that we haven´t gone through the 50000 already, looks like this PBEM is about to be shut down soon.


Well, note that you've got >8000 inactive pilots, and >2000 pilots scheduled to come in later. The 8000 would be general reserve, TRACOM, and scenario pilots without an airgroup (this last category should be small). And I don't believe that these 10,000 pilots includes pilots in group reserve. So you're not in danger of running out of pilots any time soon. Although 15K-ish seems a little low for the Japanese.


This is correct - on another note Castor have you guys noticed the new beta which allows the culling of pilots. This game has no need to shut down unless you don't want to manage what you have. 8626 pilots in general reserve is somewhat excessive imho - start using these when drawing pilots.

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We´re still using the latest official patch, I´m a bit reluctant on upgrading to a beta patch in a PBEM that has been going for so long already. I´ve been shifting around reserve pilots for the last halve year, guess only every third or fourth pilot I draw has been from the replacement pool. 8000 seems a lot and I´ve long thought I would have skilled pilots of each and every type for the next 25 years but if you think about the numbers you need when 50 CVE come in then you realize you will need 1000+ skilled fighter pilots for these CVE alone (or go with the underskilled rookies that are nothing but victims). Then the USAAF bomber groups suddenly show up in big numbers, you realize you need hundreds of skilled bomber pilots. Now that we´re closing in on 45, I´ve just realized that my USN CV are getting their VBF squadrons, guess what, I now need 500 pilots for them, best would be to have them trained on air and lownav/lowgrd. I realized that too late so these pilots aren´t available anyway, don´t know how to handle that issue at the moment, I don´t even have enough trained USN fighter pilots to send 500+ into these squadrons. So I could send back all those VB bomber pilots and have them being trained for the VBF, takes me 6 months though (if you want them to have air and one of the bombing skills, not even talking about the second bombing skill), so this would mean all those Corsair squadrons are of no use until mid 45 if I start to train now, if I start to train now, I would have to find squadrons for 500 replacement pilots and start to train, but this again would add 500 pilots.

A long time during the game I´ve thought "I will never run out of these or those pilot types" and had to experience that I actually did run out of trained pilots of every major type. Last time it happened was the time when the USMC squadrons went from 18 to 24 aircraft, so I had to add a lot of pilots and found out that I was then short of USMC fighter pilots and I was doing training since day one of the PBEM and IMO it was by far not as bloody as the usual games we see.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/17/2011 8:28:25 AM   
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There should be no problems upgrading to last Beta. You can both of course backup your recent save if things go badly for some obscure code reason. But I have not seen any reason NOT TO upgrade.Seems to be remarkably stable for PBEM, otherwise Tech Support would be filled with posts about it.


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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/17/2011 11:29:48 AM   
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The new beta has the ability to release one or 5 pilots with the lowest EXP at a time from either the group pilot list, or from the named pilot reserves.
In general, you can only release pilots who are active (delay of 0 or 1).

The filters in the name pilot reserve list allows you to refine the list before you ask it to release them.

In addition, if the number of free pilots gets below a certain limit, the game will automatically drop the excess limit from 33% to 20% (except for dedicated training groups set in the editor).





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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/17/2011 1:26:32 PM   
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michaealm- so, we can delete pilots as you mention above in the upcoming patch, yes? That's a huge game saver. Many many thanks.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/17/2011 3:18:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelm

The new beta has the ability to release one or 5 pilots with the lowest EXP at a time from either the group pilot list, or from the named pilot reserves.
In general, you can only release pilots who are active (delay of 0 or 1).

The filters in the name pilot reserve list allows you to refine the list before you ask it to release them.

In addition, if the number of free pilots gets below a certain limit, the game will automatically drop the excess limit from 33% to 20% (except for dedicated training groups set in the editor).






Thank you very much, as my PBEM in 44 is currently close to the 50k limit and i fear it a little bit this will help quite a lot.

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/18/2011 11:57:20 PM   
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Well, if KIA/MIA pilots can be deleted, so is WIA.

After all, who would want back guy, who spent last sixteen months in hospital? And, when you have lost both hands, you can be qualified as WIA, but you surely never fly again.


What is the possibility to apply array resize AFTER loading save?
There were implemented question about database upgrade in ongoing games.




Actually, history suggests that if the pilot wants to fly, take him. A US medal of honor winner in WWI improperly used political influence to fly again in WWII - and won another medal of honor! IJN's greatest ace lost one eye - and had leg damage so bad he could not fly a normal airplane. No one wants a one eyed fighter pilot. But in a modified plane that was also obsolete he became an ace yet again! Another pilot lost a leg on USS Princeton - was forced out of the Navy - but used an old law to return. He made the first jet landing on a carrier in history!


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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/19/2011 2:52:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: el cid again

Actually, history suggests that if the pilot wants to fly, take him. A US medal of honor winner in WWI improperly used political influence to fly again in WWII - and won another medal of honor! IJN's greatest ace lost one eye - and had leg damage so bad he could not fly a normal airplane. No one wants a one eyed fighter pilot. But in a modified plane that was also obsolete he became an ace yet again! Another pilot lost a leg on USS Princeton - was forced out of the Navy - but used an old law to return. He made the first jet landing on a carrier in history!




Who is this person who supposidly won a Medal of Honor in WWI and WWII? I'm especially interested seing that only 19 individuals won multiple Medals of Honor with the last being Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC, who won his first for action in Mexico on 22 April 1914 and his second for action in Haiti on 17 November 1915. In 1917 the laws governing the award of the Medal of Honor ended all multiple awards. A person can be nominated multiple times (such as Robert L. Howard during Vietnam who was nominated three times before finally receiving the medal) but, since 1917, can only be the recipient of a single award.

Could you have mistook a WWI nomination and a WWII receipt for two receipts?

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 5/19/2011 7:13:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: el cid again
Actually, history suggests that if the pilot wants to fly, take him. A US medal of honor winner in WWI improperly used political influence to fly again in WWII - and won another medal of honor! IJN's greatest ace lost one eye - and had leg damage so bad he could not fly a normal airplane. No one wants a one eyed fighter pilot. But in a modified plane that was also obsolete he became an ace yet again! Another pilot lost a leg on USS Princeton - was forced out of the Navy - but used an old law to return. He made the first jet landing on a carrier in history!

HEY! I am trying to be helpful here!

I have written about hands, because IIRC there was a British pilot, who flew without BOTH legs. There MUST be some level of injury, which disqualifies you from flying (I hope).

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RE: Out of Pilots Again - 6/3/2011 9:28:41 AM   
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Just want to inform you that in my current PBEM we ran into the 50k limit in 2/44. Michaelm would it be possible to ad a futher
release 10 and release 50 pilots button ?

I currently as the allieds have around 12000 pilots in the reserve pool, 70% or so are trained but a lot of them are untrained green pilots which where created mostly by mistake. It would make the release process a little easier if i could release more at the same time.

Release of 5 least a little bit to the problem that i have to click the button very often and usually i check first how many pilots i want to fire, and when i then have to click the button 48 times but i missclick is sometimes it is hard to not make a mistake.

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