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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 3:07:19 PM   
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 3:08:04 PM   
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 3:09:52 PM   
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 3:11:31 PM   
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FNG press the K key to see the hotkeys for the game. Grass is backspace I think.


Nice one - thanks!

Also a general thanks to everyone for their fast responses during the demo/release period - quality stuff :)

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 3:32:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Richie61
Windows XP - Sp3
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1920 x 1200


Yes, that system is fine, but if you're actually playing at 1920x1200 resolution that's probably what's limiting your FPS. You can play at that resolution, but you'll want to turn some of the other settings down to get good performance. The good news is that as we optimize the engine more in the future, those compromises will gradually become unnecessary.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 3:37:00 PM   
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I will look into dropping my resolution. I just hate giving up all the COOL eye candy

PS:
Thanks for the fast reply

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 3:47:52 PM   
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Besides, think of it this way, when you upgrade machines you will really get a bonus!!

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 5:12:29 PM   
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Eye candy doesn't make a game play better....just look better.

Besides, think of it this way, when you upgrade machines you will really get a bonus!!

Good Hunting.

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Remember, this is my old computer. I get 60 plus fps to 35 fps on my work Win 7 24 GB of RAM work machine (I work from home). The XP machine is now my gaming rig. It's just weird how I can run lots of games at 100% on the XP machine. I think my bottleneck is the NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT - 512 MB graphic card. I have this issue with the modded version of "Tiger vs T-34". On this game I get 60 fps on the boxed version, but only 12 fps on the modded version. The issue is the game uses an older game engine. Tiger vs T-34 is a cool sim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4pmmzkfkOU&feature=related







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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 5:15:46 PM   
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 5:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

I have to say that what HSG did in the past with CMBB and CMAK will be nothing compared to what we can do with PC and the Map Maker and editors that are included in this game! "You ain't seen nothing yet!", certainly applies to what HSG has planned for the PC series starting very soon.



Exactly what I was hoping for. This game is about to write history, of that I'm sure.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 5:55:21 PM   
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I played the CM:BN demo while waiting on this to download and I just hated all that bocage. All I really saw was tracers going out of one bocage into another, plus I played it RT to see what all the hype was about and it felt like playing Company of Heroes or TOW and didn't feel like Combat Mission at all. All my tanks got destroyed because I was busying trying to assault and take a damn house with my infantry (this is why RT sucks). So, needless to say it didn't impressah me much.

Once I get used to this command system I'm pretty sure PC:O will be the cats meow. I already like the demo play (had to turn grass off but no biggie about that).


To each his own, but I have both demos installed and I find that each does a very good job of representing their respective combat environments. I don't think the Allies were too happy about fighting in the Bocage either :)

I now have two intelligently designed authentic war games to satisfy both my tactical level east front and west front desires, based on my mood!

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 7:34:27 PM   
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I now have two intelligently designed authentic war games to satisfy both my tactical level east front and west front desires, based on my mood!


It doesn't get any better than that.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 9:59:04 PM   
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I played the CM:BN demo while waiting on this to download and I just hated all that bocage. All I really saw was tracers going out of one bocage into another, plus I played it RT to see what all the hype was about and it felt like playing Company of Heroes or TOW and didn't feel like Combat Mission at all. All my tanks got destroyed because I was busying trying to assault and take a damn house with my infantry (this is why RT sucks). So, needless to say it didn't impressah me much.

Once I get used to this command system I'm pretty sure PC:O will be the cats meow. I already like the demo play (had to turn grass off but no biggie about that).


CMBN gives one the option to play RT or WEGO. I always play WEGO. RT is too much of a click-fest.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 11:04:58 PM   
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Apart from that I'm thoroughly enjoying myself. Turning into a PCO addict in no time. The game needs a lot of mods to smarten up, but I'm sure people are already working on them.  

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 11:08:07 PM   
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The winter skins shouldn't probably take effect in Russia until LATE September!

Or more likely the first part of November.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 11:11:37 PM   
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/13/2011 11:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		We don't look at it as moaning. We look at it as telling us some of the things we missed. There was a tremendous effort put into PCO. But even as much work as went into it we couldn't do it all.

For the most part we try to be realistic and understand that we will miss some things. Hopefully they are small things but still they are there. We can use all the help you guys can give us.

We appreciate the comments when you find things that need adjusted.

It's already been put in the list of things to tweak for the upcoming patch...
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 6:28:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your willingness (and that of your colleagues overhere) to listen to the comments of the gamers is precisely why I have such high expectations of this game. It is already fun to play, but it will get much, much better in time. I've played for hours last night and even convinced my lovely lady to go shopping today, so I can have some more time to play.... 

Feel a bit guilty about that, but all is fair in love and war...and she already knew the real reason before I finished my sentence...


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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 6:33:57 AM   
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Even if you are going to war! 

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 11:22:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two more questions before I'm jumping the fence.

First thing I noticed is, that I can't give move order in certain situations. Happens in example when the unit window shows 'engaging (moving)' or 'defending (not moving)'. They're neither supressed nor firing, I chose command vehicle and also play Axis (in regard to coc delay of Sovjets). I don't see the pattern here (and allowedly didn't read the manual yet).

Another thing would be that several hotkeys are not working for me, i.e. F12 doesn't toggle trees and shadows.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 11:26:42 PM   
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Not sure I understand your orders issues but I can tell you when you have any kind of problems issuing orders the FIRST thing I would check is to see if the unit or the HQ is mounted. Either in/on a building or a vehicle. If they are you won't be able to issue orders for them.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 11:43:09 PM   
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 11:46:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		That screen shot shows that you are in a reaction phase. You don't have a full range of orders available to you in a reaction phase. Go to the next phase and  see if you don't get a full range of orders.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 11:52:14 PM   
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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/14/2011 11:57:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		F12 is for PCK. Press the K key in game to see all the new hotkeys or look at the PCO manual.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/15/2011 12:16:46 AM   
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F12 – Toggle trees & shadows on/off (press once off / again 1/2 off / again full on)


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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/15/2011 12:21:35 AM   
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Panzer Command Hotkeys

Function & Control & Alt Keys

F1 – System performance statistics (FPS, memory use, etc.) on/off
F2 – Show map coordinates on rubberbands on/off
F3 – Create file with unit position information (disabled for PBEM games)
F4 – Allow unrestricted unit placement during setup phase of set battles vs AI (disabled for Multiplayer games)
F5 – Decrease size of message box
F6 - Increase size of message box
F7 - Message box on/off
F8 - Take screenshot (bmp placed in Screens folder)
F9 - Decrease playback speed
F10 - Increase playback speed
F11 - Rewind playback
F12 -

Escape key – Exit current screen / Bring up menu
Esc + Arrow Keys + Enter - Select menu items
Esc + S - Save menu (no unit selected)(insert text and press enter to save and return to game)
Ctrl + Click - Set waypoint when giving orders (not all orders have waypoints) maximum 3
Alt - Cinematic view (removes HUD) Also controls tilt and rotate camera - press and move mouse
Alt + Tab - Minimise game from full screen
Alt + F4 - Kill game
Ctrl + F4 - Restart game

Other
' - Increase unit size displayed
/ - Decrease unit size displayed
K - Keys - Display the list of hotkeys
O - Orders - View Briefing in game on/off
S – Spec - Show unit specification for selected unit on/off
U - Unit/platoon/side movement and target rubberband display
I - Icon - Unit floating icons (no icons/side icons/type unit icons)
Q - Quiter - Surrender
Y - Rubberband display over/under objects
5 - Display of underlying color coded terrain map on/off
6 - Display Setup Zones
7 - Map Grid on/off (does not work with legacy maps from OWS or K)
8 - Victory Flag on/off
9 - Map Labels on/off
0 - Trees off/half/full
Backspace - Grasses on/off
| - Shadows on/off
Spacebar - Pause playback
Shift + Click - A message in the message box during replay to rewind back to the event



Camera Control Keys

~ or Home - Return camera to starting viewpoint - Commander view - center of mass of your side
- (minus) – Decrease current camera zoom
+ (plus) – Increase current camera zoom
Number pad 4 – Rotate camera counter-clock wise
Number pad 6 – Rotate camera clock wise
Number pad 9 – Tilt camera up
Number pad 3 – Tilt camera down
Alt - Hold down and move mouse to change view - tilt and rotate camera
Stand alone arrow keys – Move camera in direction of arrow
Tab – Commander Viewpoint (click unit twice to select then Tab)
Tab/Tab – Unlock Commander Viewpoint
1 - View level close
2 - View level middle
3 - View level far
4 - View level far and rotate to match minimap



Unit Order Hotkeys

Spacebar - Orders menu for selected unit (press again to cancel orders menu)
Note:When a unit is selected the spacebar opens the orders menu, when in video playback, the spacebar pauses.
Shift + (order) - Forces subunits to follow Commander orders, pathing and SOP - Select unit, press and hold shift, select order, click destination.

Setup Phase Only

P – Place/Mount/Load unit
G - Place group
F – Face unit
V - Face group
L - Line of sight

Orders/Reaction

> - Go to next unit
< - Go to previous unit
} - Go to next Commander
{ - Go to previous Commander

L - Line of sight
P - Pathing Direct-Fastest-Cover
A – Advance
C - Charge
R – Rush
W – Withdraw
D – Defend/Move
H - Orders Phase = Defend/Stay
H - Reaction phase = Halt
B – Bound
M – Engage/Move
T – Engage/Target or Target (depending on current phase)
X - Cancel Target
Z - Infantry - Mount/Unmount
Z - Tank - Button/Unbutton


Multimedia keyboard keys can be used as follows

>/|| - Pause / Play playback(spacebar may also be used to pause)
>> - Increase playback speed
<< - Decrease playback speed
[] - Rewind playback


Main Menu Screen

C - Campaign
B - Set Battle
L - Load (saved) Game
M - Multiplayer
O - Options
R - Readme
X - Credits
Esc - Exit Game


Set Battle Campaign Selection and TO&E Screens

Enter - Advance to the next screen
R - Random
N - Next
Esc - Back
1-5 - SetBattle screen - Filters battles by las digit of year - 0 resets

Multiplayer Messaging

Enter - End turn and send
Esc - Cancel sending to return to game
? - Read opponent's message

Note: All buttons will have a Hotkey shown through Tooltips

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/15/2011 12:25:28 AM   
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Well, manual says:
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F12 – Toggle trees & shadows on/off (press once off / again 1/2 off / again full on)



You are right. Sorry about that it looks like we missed that.

thanks!
Rick

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/15/2011 12:28:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		No wonder that insert, delete and F12 didn't work for me. I was refering to the hotkey reference (page 124) of demo manual.

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RE: Official Game First Impressions thread! - 5/15/2011 1:16:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		One other thing to mention about function keys: if you have an issue, check that there isn't another utility trying to use it. I had a problem with F8 not taking screenshots and that was due to a background utility taking precedence using it as a hotkey. Once I changed that, all was well.

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