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- 10/23/2002 9:22:26 PM   
jsglenn4

 

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Status: offline 		I'd buy it without question.

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- 10/24/2002 7:43:21 AM   
David Heath


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Status: offline 		Hi Guys

You you checked with the companies in our Store Locator. Chips and Bits purchased a large number of our Lost Victories Mega Campaigns.

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- 10/24/2002 10:24:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Voriax has a good idea with the CD Burning scenario. But, let's take it one step further.

I've been a hard-core gamer for 20+ years. In the majority of those years, I, along with most gamers, have read computer gaming magazines. Two of the top selling magazines, PC Gamer and Computer Gaming World, both offer a "demo CD" with each issue.

Would it be possible for Matrix to work out a deal with these magazine companies to include the North Africa campaign (along with SP:WAW of course) on the demo CD. This could possibly solve three issues:

1. The game would expose a large number of people to Matrix, which the exposure might would help sell the remaining Watch Tower inventory.
2. It would offer a "discontinued" product (North Africa) to those of us who are relatively new to the mega campaigns and missed out on the initial releases.
3. Matrix would not have to incur the cost of burning and shipping a new batch of CDs.

I remember reading William "the Colonel" Trotter's Wargame column in PC Gamer concerning Matrix Games and its Mega Campaigns. He had nothing but praise for the company and the game. So, I assume that the magazines should not have an issue with including it on the demo CDs.

However, I am not a magazine marketing gurue, so I don't know the cost involved with making such a deal. I just thought it was a descent idea and wanted to share it with Matrix. Anyway, I'm in dire need of the North Africa campaign, so I'll come up with anything to get my hands on it (LOL).

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- 10/25/2002 2:41:13 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		That gob of spit you see over there is this man's offering for how much I will offer for ANY magazine's low grade, cheap quality, unsupported worthless garbage demo cds.

Matrix might go the route of demos someday (if it interests them), but they won't be marketing to me any time soon through cds that only suffice to inflate the worth of PC publications.

I got badly burned once trying to buy Steel Panthers through a grossly expensive valueless publication once.....once mind you, I will never make the same mistake twice.
And the company's response to my email inquiring about dealing with a defective disk, was worthless.

Nope, Matrix won't be servicing my needs through uninterested magazines in the future.

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- 10/27/2002 10:09:56 PM   
Frank W.

 

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Status: offline 		I voted "No" because i think matrix should concentrate on the new games.

there are (for me personnaly with limited time) enough more camps (russian steel, the new stalingrad) to play. i haven´t even played lost victories very much. not forget the new H to H mode, which i want to try some time,too.

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- 11/1/2002 1:37:46 AM   
DoubleDeuce


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Status: offline 		After reading through these post several times over and giving it a lot of thought I voted no and the reason is I fear it will distract from efforts to complete CL. I am all for pushing to sell out what you have but printing new CD batches can get expensive and having them sit waiting for sales ties up funds better spent.

There seems to be a good number of new SPWAW recruits visiting here (and on other boards SPWAW is frequently mentioned as well). SPWAW has a lot of life left in it and its up to us to create new campaigns, scenarios, tournaments etc to bring these new guys into the Matrix family and not just for a couple weeks. Exposing these new guys to what Matrix has accomplished with SPWAW will show them why they need to stick around for future Matrix projects.

This game (with the added benefit of things like Ectizen's Mapthing and Chandla's toys) make it a package that will occupy the HD on any computer I have that it will run on. Mostly because its runs in the Windows environment and not DOS.

We also need to keep the regulars involved playing, teaching and doing other things. Keeping a solid (and happy) SPWAW player base will be the best thing to happen for CL when it's released since many of us will move on to that game.

Finally. What support does Matrix need from us that will generate revenue but minimize their expenses?

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extra folder - 11/1/2002 1:49:48 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Big Bill
[B]Sarge, The two disks I'm having problems with may be fine, I don't know, maybe I'm the only person who couldn't get them to work. I have a new computer, Win XP, all of my other SPWAW stuff works, I don't know. I tried the suggestions I got from the Teck forum, except the compleatly reinstall SPWAW one, but I still cant get them to install. Its probably me, all I can do is put in the disk and follow the on screen directions, beond that my computer expertise falls off sharply.
Several months ago there was an appeal to people in this hobbie to support Matrix so I purchased La Grande Army, UV, Lost Victories and Watchtower. UV and Grande Army installed without a hitch, the two I was really interested in were the Mega Campaigns ( the one's I can't seem to install ).
I'm not complaining, I would have sent in a donation to Matrix and not need anything in exchange just to support my hobbie, I mean it.
Getting back to my last post, I would like to have a disk with all of the Mega Campaigns and SPWAW vs. 7.1 all in one and working properly, I'll buy it.
I'll try to post my problem again in the teck forum and see if anyone can help, if not I'll donate the two disks to someone in need. I think I'll through in La Grande Army also, it doesn't seem to be my type of game.

;) :) [/B][/QUOTE]



Hi BB when you install look and see if an extra folder is being created inside the mega camp folder. If so cut and paste everything up one level and delete that extra folder. I seem to recall there was even a specific order you had to load the MC for them to work.

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- 11/1/2002 2:43:27 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		Just talking out loud here, but does anyone know to which I am refering to, when I refer to the "gap in the name glitch"?

What I mean is the difference between Matrixgames and Matrix games.

Could this be the culprit in the install hassle?

Regarding Mega Campaigns or any very permutation of Steel Panthers (and their futures), I am inclined to think, that even if Combat Leader ends up perfection personified, I still find it hard to believe, that people will dump Steel Panthers like it was a 40 year old housewife in favour of a spirited 20 year old:)

Then again, I have a 38 year old housewife, and I would not trade her for the 20 year old hehe.

I think in the end, the future for Mega Campaigns and maybe Steel Panthers as a whole, will be in it's fans considering it a classic, and doing independent creations.
I think it is cool that Matrix gave us 3 Mega Campaigns.

What I want to know is, what are the legal entanglements, involved with non Matrix persons designing and selling their own unique supplemental Steel Panthers (WaW 7.1 friendly of course) software?

Is this even an option? Or are the fans out there with programing savvy (and cash of course hehe) even able to indulge this line of thinking?

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- 11/7/2002 2:53:07 AM   
Major_Johnson

 

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Status: offline 		Even though I bought Desert Fox way back when, and just ordered Operation Watchtower ( I missed the boat on Lost Victories), I would definitely be interested in a Gold Edition cd or download. I got my brother (Vietnam Vet, USMC) hooked on the game. I recently went cable modem and now he has me connecting to his server for 5-6 hour shifts of playing! I feel that this game has given me such enjoyment over the years, paying for it again is not that big a deal.

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- 11/10/2002 11:20:24 AM   
Bernie


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by David Heath
[B]We are not planning to make any more CD in the near future until at least all of the Operation Watchtower CD are sold. Once we get to that point we will consider our options again.

David Heath
Matrix Games [/B][/QUOTE]

How many are left at this point? (IE: How many would each of us have to buy before you might consider reissuing MCNA?) :)

Personally speaking, if Matrix offered a package deal on SP:WAW 7.1 (or 7.11 with the new oob's) and all the MC's that would install all the patches and fixes to date automatically you'd have my credit card order for two sets tomorrow morning.

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- 11/10/2002 7:04:05 PM   
Big Bill

 

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Status: offline 		DITTO FOR ME !!!

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Why Buy Incomplete MCs? - 11/14/2002 5:33:42 AM   
Akmatov

 

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Status: offline 		It has been suggested that those who don't have a copy of LVs should quit snivling - "if you snooze you lose". However, I note that as late as October 2002 LV is still not patched to the point of being fully playable.

This actually pisses me off a bit. I would really like to have and play LVs. However, I can't justify purchasing a game that I can't play as I wait indefinately for it to be patched.

BTB, I do understand that the MCs were largely developed by thousands of hours of volunteer work and I greatly appreciate their effort.

But if the game doesn't play through what is the point?

So I have to vote in favor of a comprehensive final, final version of SPWAW + the MCs on a single disk - MCs that can actually be painlessly installed and successfully played.

And yes, I would be willing to pay for it either as a hard copy or as a download.

If the information posted in this forum is incorrect and LVs has been fully patched, I would appreciate knowing.

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- 11/14/2002 5:58:51 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		The sad truth with computers it seems is nothing stands still long.

Today's program (whether awesome or worthless), is usually left in the dust fairly soon.

This spring (hopefully I guess) Combat Leader gets released.

I hope I can afford a copy, I think I might get a copy, I assume I will have nothing competing for my attention more than it.

Now if Combat Leader is worth anything at all, it will render Steel Panthers (and anything made for Steel Panthers), immediately the game of choice only of those unable to get Combat Leader.

I seriously hope Steel Panthers remains a game of choice for those that can appreciate a good game. But I am expecting to see the same old process. That being, the latest game renders the previous game, all but left in the dust.

It would be nice to see Steel Panthers continue on as a actively supported. But I think we all have to accept that it is after all just a good program, and perhaps even as good a program as it is, it remains a "free" game.
And due to it's zero revenue generating status (the actual game not any MCs), I think expecting a constant dedication to it, is perhaps unrealistic.

I can not myself, expect Matrix, which is after all a business, to devote time resources and manpower, to supporting a product, that was developed after all for a free game. They are after all in the business to make money (friends are nice, and you get lots of friends making cool software for free, but those friends won't be paying the bills eh).

I too would love to see copies of the MC released cleaned up fixed up patched up etc. I know the patches are often out there. They are occasionally a bit hard to locate for new comers. But it takes little effort to ask specifically of the community here to get the latest word on where and what is needed to play each MC to the fullest.

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- 11/14/2002 6:48:18 AM   
Akmatov

 

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Status: offline 		Actually, Les I have to question the comment that "Today's program (whether awesome or worthless), is usually left in the dust fairly soon."

When did Steel Panthers first come out? And we are still playing a variant of it! Hmmm, seems like an excellent program has pretty **** long legs.

The computer game industry, just like many others, would like the customers to forgive/forget the unfulfilled promises of the past and blindly spend more money in the hope that the same company is now REALLY telling the true about their wonderful new product.

SPWAW has been different. It started as a group of enthusiasts and developed into a company. The basis of Matrix's appeal is that they are people like us - fellow gamers - guys who care and will produce honest product.

My problem is not that I expect endless support for a product, but I do expect the "good guys" to get the stuff they SELL patched. I've been fascinated by the idea of Lost Victories since before it was available for sale. Yet every time I got ready to spend the loot, I go onto the forum and find that it can't be played to completion or that the patch will be finished "one day" due to all resources being put into getting CL out the door.

Now wait a minute! I'm supposted to buy CL when it comes out, yet the copy of LVs I would have bought would still be unfinished because the programers have moved on to the next thing? Isn't this the same contempt for the consumer that caused us to put our faith, and money, into Matrix in the first place?

Once again trolling posts I just now found one from Mr. Richards tucked away where I hadn't seen it before that provides a time-line for the final patch and the information that remaining problems do not prevent completion the the campaign. So something like a year after it was offered for sale LV will be complete, i.e. after it is sold out.

Thank you Mr. Richards. Matrix could have provided that kind of comprehensive response a long time ago and I would have been able to justify purchasing the MC. But I quess since the MC is sold out, Matrix got its money eventually, in spite of comments about lack of OUR support for Matrix.

Looking forward to seeing how CL turns out.

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- 11/14/2002 8:39:09 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		Your comments are well made.

But.....

SSI released Steel Panthers back several years ago.

It is not the game Matrix is employing, to get nit picking accurate.

Steel Panthers became several games.
Because Matrix is not offering Steel Panthers 2 Modern Battles after all.
Nor are they offering Steel Panthers 3 Brigade Combat.

But Matrix decided to use the base program from Steel Panthers 3 to produce their Steel Panthers World at War.

But the steel Panthers they offered when I found them was Steel Panthers WaW 4.1

Now some companies would have called them versions, and some would have just tacked on rounded off numbers ie 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.

I am not saying that some differences are dramatic, but if you load up SSI Steel Panthers, and then load up Steel Panthers WaW 4.1 and then load up Steel Panthers WaW 7.1, you can obviously see they are not at all the same game really.

So Steel Panthers might be today's program in some ways, but generally speaking, the game is yesterday at it's core.

True the Mega Campaigns have been perhaps a bit haphazardly arrived at, my opinion though, is I am planning on getting Combat Leader based on their track record with Steel Panthers from first version under their control on up to version 7.1.

I am prepared to sit on my Lost Victories and wait for the die hard gamers to beat the bugs to death. I know that the die hard fan out there won't let it lie. I believe the game will get the needed attention.

I am saying I would gladly move on to Combat Leader, but then, being it's in my nature, I am not planning on dumping Steel Panthers. I have every version that is commonly available currently. I don't play all of them all that much, but I have no trouble owning games of merit.

I have lots of wargames that were great when they came out. And a great game usually stays a great game. My only probklem with software based wargames, is computers often make them hard to play when the hardware changes. But that's not the fault of the software eh.

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- 11/14/2002 8:51:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Akmatov, LV is still awaiting the final patch to be issued. However, this patch deals mainly with some omitted scenario wrap up text files for some of the battles, particularly the Donets area IIRC. The game plays fine with the available patches installed. There are currently 2 file patches and a separate sound patch, all available at Matrix. I just saw someone's post today with a final LV score and I have seen others in the past so I know it goes to completion.

For further clarification, please view the following lthread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26357

:D

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- 12/6/2002 9:23:12 PM   
Jim1954

 

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Status: offline 		Bump.... for the newbies.

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- 12/6/2002 9:49:23 PM   
Major_Johnson

 

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Status: offline 		Hard or soft copy, it doesn't matter to me!!

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