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Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 6:01:53 AM   
mantrain

 

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Status: offline 		I have had A.E shelved in mothballs, well, since it came out. I would really like to learn how to play, but not sure how to start learning it. I do not have the original game, so I cannot play that tutorial. any advise appreciated. thanks!
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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 6:34:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Take a small scenario (Coral Sea) and learn the basics of your TF, movement, air search, and combat. Switch sides and try it again. Once you feel somewhat comfortable have a player take you on in a head-to-head. Move to a longer scenario (Guadalcanal) and do the same. Once you have gone through these then look at the Grand Campaign and DON'T play the Japanese! The economy will drive you to drink heavily...


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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 6:35:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi mantrain

Here is a thread that is pretty good for beginers.  http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2564541

Here is another good thread.  http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2260137

Just jump in and play.  Read some of the AAR's.  Canoereble, GreyJoy, Nemo and a bunch more have AAR's around that are good.  I am new here myself and have found that the members on the forums are very helpful and knowledgeable.  So just post questions here and you will get an answer rather quickly. 

So def play the game it is a great game.  It will suck your life away, but you will enjoy it. 

doc

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 12:47:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just play even if you make a ton of mistakes. There's really no other way.

And do read AARs and help threads, because there is literally a ton of things you'll overlook while playing.

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 1:27:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm also lost in this game. I bought it due to long available nights but it's a rather complex game to begin from scratch.

Thanks for the tips.

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 3:08:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dig in and post questions here. Best forum around. Always happy to help. BTW, once you start a campaign as the allies it's OK to make lots of mistakes. You get plenty more stuff. Try no to commit your carriers too early

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 4:47:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Once you have gone through these then look at the Grand Campaign and DON'T play the Japanese! The economy will drive you to drink heavily...



I started similar, but wanted always to play the japs. I followed the forums for a longer time, played a few months of a GC as Axis player against the AI.
Mike Solli´s AAR was a great help in economic questions. Sadly it was not finished. Then the AE-Tracker. Without that tool i could not play the japs. If you look long enough at the Economy-Chart inside the tool you might understand how economy basically works. For me this was the case
Then i found a helpful player in these forum who offered to play a few month as my "teacher" (he played the allies). And he teached me some hard lessons. But imho that was better than playing another new player and continue with my "playing against the AI"-mistakes.
Maybe playing the japs isn´t for everybody because of the industry management, but i like it a lot.

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 5:06:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wikingus

Just play even if you make a ton of mistakes. There's really no other way.

And do read AARs and help threads, because there is literally a ton of things you'll overlook while playing.


This statement is absolutely correct. There is no problem starting a game vs the AI and making tons of mistakes. Either load up the game from the last turn and correct your mistakes, or just start the game completely over. Or, just live with the mistake and learn the hard way.

When UV, WITP and AE came out, it took me 6 or 7 starts through 3-6 months of turns before I had the learning curve mostly down. Even to this day, I still learn something new on rare occasions.

Just start playing and don't worry about playing a perfect game on your first try. PBEM is a different beast. You should play a full grand campaign vs the AI before you commit to a PBEM match.

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 5:10:21 PM   
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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/7/2011 6:51:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is good for me, being in the same boat. Errrr, carrier.....

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/8/2011 2:22:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think what I could really use is a thread for dummies AE learning me how to crawl and then walk in this game (basic mechanics). also maybe a good newbie AAR
thanks

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/8/2011 2:57:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mantrain

I think what I could really use is a thread for dummies AE learning me how to crawl and then walk in this game (basic mechanics). also maybe a good newbie AAR
thanks


Indeed, there is such a training wheels AAR on one of the campaign scenarios which explains strategic decision making....I just can't remember the title...somebody help me out.

John III's suggestion is a good one. Start with a small scenario vs AI...you will have fun.

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/8/2011 3:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Messer and Mantrain. Why don't you just PM each other and start a small scenario....It really is the best way to get started. Play a human that is on the same level as you and have fun. It really is fun.

You can thank me later..

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/8/2011 6:37:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Indeed, there is such a training wheels AAR on one of the campaign scenarios which explains strategic decision making....I just can't remember the title...somebody help me out.

John III's suggestion is a good one. Start with a small scenario vs AI...you will have fun.


forumite Sardaukar has this thread in the AAR section:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2564541
describing the beginning of the GC (Grand Campaign) vs. the IJ AI.

it's not really about basic game mechanics, though - more like an example of how to use your available forces to achieve your desired strategic results. Well worth the read!

he covers a lot of ground, including the global scale of supply-shipping.

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/8/2011 1:06:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mantrain

I have had A.E shelved in mothballs, well, since it came out. I would really like to learn how to play, but not sure how to start learning it. I do not have the original game, so I cannot play that tutorial. any advise appreciated. thanks!


DOCUP posted the 2 best threads for starting out. Then I'd read through the following AARs:

Greyjoy's side (he is a newbie and gets lots of advice): http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2761796

Andy Mac (he is a dev and gives lots of insight into the game engine): http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2324055

PzB (the other side of the Andy Mac AAR, also good things on what Japs can do): http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2324032

Nemo (gives insight into the strategic level of the game and the mind games that go on in a PBEM): http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2330017

jrcar (One of the best out there, talks a lot about strategy, operations and tactics and how the all relate): http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2200574

There are dozens of other really great ones out there and I haven't read some others yet, but the ones above strike me good for beginners (including Sardauker's newbie grand campaign tutorial someone else already linked).

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/8/2011 2:04:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		One handy thing I learned was to name your task forces so its easier to keep track.
For example a bunch of tankers "Fuel to Sydney"
Or a Amphib TF "Invade Tulagi" etc etc


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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/9/2011 1:53:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mantrain

I think what I could really use is a thread for dummies AE learning me how to crawl and then walk in this game (basic mechanics). also maybe a good newbie AAR
thanks

My sort of out of date video tutes -- (basic mechanics)
http://sites.google.com/site/n01487477/Home?pli=1

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/9/2011 4:13:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can't believe I forgot those great video tutorials, I still use them for a refresher from time to time -) Any chance of some new ones?

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/9/2011 4:36:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Graymane
Can't believe I forgot those great video tutorials, I still use them for a refresher from time to time -) Any chance of some new ones?

Yeah I'm waiting for the patching to settle down and then I can do some on all the new things

Also Floyd and I might play a small scenario and I'll make video's (with his permission) for that.\

Cheers

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/9/2011 12:48:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a thread with loads of useful beginner links all in one place here

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2576157



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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/9/2011 2:20:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just play over and over again. I started out with a small game as the Allies. You can make a fair amount of mistakes and still recover. You will learn a lot by just trial and error my friend. Enjoy!

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/10/2011 3:43:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		To learn the mechanics it is best to start out with a small scenario (Coral Sea?) and just "do it"! Learn by doing is one of the most effective ways of learning for most people. You can use the AI or a real person, just with the understanding that it is a learning game.... for you, or both of you...

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RE: Is there a beginner thread? should I play this game? - 8/20/2011 7:40:55 PM   
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