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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/29/2014 3:42:04 PM

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How are the defenses around Moulmein and points south?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/29/2014 3:54:38 PM

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How are the defenses around Moulmein and points south?

Rangoon 1100AV fort 7
Pegu - 450AV fort 6
Moulmein- 450AV fort 6
Tavoy - 350AV fort 5
Mergui -250 AV fort 5
Victoria Point - only 80AV fort 4

i need to move something there fast

Tavoy, Mergui, Victoria Point had more troops. But i was forced to move them 3 weeks ago to East Burma to block allied ground offensive.

Pegu and Moulmein can be reinforced by 700AV in one turn. I keep ID and Tanks in Rangoon in strategic mode if i need to reinforce fast Prome or Taungoo but they also can be railed south. 3 days to unpack and they can fight.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 6:44:57 AM

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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 6:53:04 AM

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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?

B7A2 should be your TB on the KB going forward. They're great delivering torpedoes with their speed, and they can be used in DB role if needed. I had a few groups as DB on CL/CVE because I liked their two bombs. Small, but more chance to hit, and then the DB and TB can have a better shot at a slowed ship.

The Judy is a killer though. When those 800kg bombs hit it only takes a few.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 7:03:23 AM

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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?

B7A2 should be your TB on the KB going forward. They're great delivering torpedoes with their speed, and they can be used in DB role if needed. I had a few groups as DB on CL/CVE because I liked their two bombs. Small, but more chance to hit, and then the DB and TB can have a better shot at a slowed ship.

The Judy is a killer though. When those 800kg bombs hit it only takes a few.

Biggest problem with Grace is that only DB units can upgrade to it so I need to find some LBA DB units and move them to KB. I don`t found single TB unit that can upgrade to Grace.

I will produce 100+ Grace bombers monthly so at lest month before i will upgrade first units.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 7:41:11 AM

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D4Y4 Judy vs B7A2 Grace

Should i or should I not replace some/all Judy bombers on KB with Grace.
Overall Grace i good bomber. Both dive and torpedo, big range and speed. But at best average bomb load. Judy good speed, superb bomb load, range is enough for 8 hex magic strike. Maybe best solution is to leave D4Y on CV and B7A should be use as LBA only?

B7A2 should be your TB on the KB going forward. They're great delivering torpedoes with their speed, and they can be used in DB role if needed. I had a few groups as DB on CL/CVE because I liked their two bombs. Small, but more chance to hit, and then the DB and TB can have a better shot at a slowed ship.

The Judy is a killer though. When those 800kg bombs hit it only takes a few.

Biggest problem with Grace is that only DB units can upgrade to it so I need to find some LBA DB units and move them to KB. I don`t found single TB unit that can upgrade to Grace.

I will produce 100+ Grace bombers monthly so at lest month before i will upgrade first units.

Huh. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly. I know I had Grace as TB somehow, though. Strange hw only a few months and a new game clouds the memory!

Here is a set of posts from the Jocke game which showed the Grace as TB coming from the KB, as there was no LBA involved in this one. They definitely dropped TT as seen in the reports.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3541210
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3541273

Also, I just looked into my scen 1 game and it does seem the TB units upgrade to the Grace.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 7:49:49 AM

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Thanks. I will check it again. I was checking it few month ago so i am probably wrong with it. I also think it will cost some PP to upgrade. It is still plane class change.
And probably not all TB groups will upgrade.

When i back home from work, i will post all groups that can upgrade to Grace.

If KB TB groups can upgrade to Grace. Imagine how deadly KB can be. Mix of A7M2 Sam, D4Y4 Judy and B7A2 Grace. Slowest plane is 350mph. AFB nightmare

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 8:57:22 AM

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The Grace was designed to carry TT and be a replacement for the Jill and Judy, so there are no PP needed to change. However it couldn't fit on pre-Taiho CVs due to elevator size. So really it shouldn't be able to be used on all, but as we know, in game for both side this is a bit flexible.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 11:08:04 AM

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EDIT: Nevermind, sorry for the confusion. I tested again and Grace did indeed DB... Strange because I have one combat report where it did just level bomb...

Still, I assume it's not the best choice for DB squadrons as the D4Y4 Judy can carry a 800kg bomb and a 500kg one at extended range vs the 2x250kg bomb of the Grace. Still, Grace would definately be my choice for TB squadrons.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 11:15:37 AM

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B7A2 Grace is Dive Bomber with ability of caring torpedo.
At lest Tracker showing it as Dive Bomber. Also in unit screen You should see it as dive bomber. I am 99.9% sure that Grece will dive if set 10-15k. Pilots should drop bombs at 1000-3000k ft. Maybe something is different in Downfall scenario

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 11:16:31 AM

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Yes, sorry Koniu, I edited my post above, just repeated the test and everything was fine :)

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 1:50:30 PM

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I check it.

ALL Dive Bomber groups and all Torpedo bomber groups can upgrade to Grace

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 6:37:27 PM

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I check it.

ALL Dive Bomber groups and all Torpedo bomber groups can upgrade to Grace

I think you're going to like it!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 7:18:45 PM

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I check it.

ALL Dive Bomber groups and all Torpedo bomber groups can upgrade to Grace

I think you're going to like it!

I hope so.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 6/30/2014 7:26:41 PM

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27-28 April 1944

Another quiet days.

I did not notice that Boela garrison was destroyed few turns ago (lack of supply) and today Boela auto switch to allies. I am sending small invasion to retake it.

My ASW planes are fighting with subs around Ambon. At lest 10 is in area. I am almost sure that 3 or 4 of them sunk during last two days.

Allied TFs on IO holding position. But one of my subs detect another TF (AK, AP) near Maldive Islands. Today G3M3 lunch attack against enemy but not manage to find targets because of range.

J2M5 Jack advance to 6/45

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/1/2014 5:38:39 AM

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I will convert most of B6N2 to B7A2. Actually it will be good for Japanese economy,
J2M5 Jack will enter production soon replacing in big part N1K2. It will expand need for Ha-32 engine and create overproduction of Ha-45 engine.

B7A2 will fit exactly for that. Or i will convert B6 to B7 or i will need expand Ha-32 factory. So better is to build more B7 bombers. B6 will stay in limited production until end of war(it is still good plane), but B7 in next few months will become main Japanese TB. I decide that D4Y4 will be main DB and i will not covert DB groups to Grace. I need that 800kg bomb.

Total cost of transition from B6 to B7 is estimated as 60-80k supply. I think totally worth it. It is probably last big intervention in Japan air production. After that i will not change much.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/1/2014 1:38:31 PM

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D4 bomb is nice, but the range is really a problem late war as the allied DB's have almost double the range. B7 in production, you can always use some for longer range DB's when you need them.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/2/2014 5:07:03 AM

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D4 bomb is nice, but the range is really a problem late war as the allied DB's have almost double the range. B7 in production, you can always use some for longer range DB's when you need them.

I know about range. 13 hex dive attack can be blessing in late war, but also with my experience 13 hex is far. With beta changes everything above 10 hexes suffer huge coordination penalty or not flying at all. But still if they fly it is better to dive that level bomb so grace is best chose.

Still i will keep D4Y4 on line. One of reason is economy. I cant afford expanding Grace factories much enough to be able to fill all those TB and DB groups.

In my earlier comment about not upgrading D4Y4 groups i was thinking mostly about KB groups. Range is no issue there, 8 hex is the limit. I see KB as combination of D4Y4/B7A2 diving and B7A2 using torpedo. If only KB survive long enough to use A7M2 Sam, D4Y4 Judy and B7A2 Grace together.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/2/2014 5:54:21 AM

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29 April 1944

Another turn without big history.

P-47 sweep Tarawa. After them bombers show up. Low damage to AF but that is irrelevant. Tarawa has no ENG or air support, only 200AV garrison.

Small TF is moving toward Nauru Island(West of Tarawa). Base is reckoned for 3 or 4 days. Probably Fast TF invasion. No sign of enemy carriers. I will try to intercept those ships tomorrow with LBA or SAG.

IO - no change. Only worth notice is that gig SAG. That one with CA? or CL? return back and is holding position ~22 hexes NNW of Sabang. G3M3 again refuse to fly. I am moving single E toward them. 10 Subs is moving to IO. They still need few days.

Two more allied subs sunk in Ambon area. Few more damaged. today I only see 6 allied subs in area

. I am sending small armada of super Es to that area. But it look they will have nothing to hunt.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/4/2014 4:51:45 AM

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30 April 1944

Another Quiet.
I sunk another sub near Ambon. It looks that Docup decide to send them back home. Today i only saw 2 subs in area.

E i send to combat reckon what is in IO was detected today. Maybe tomorrow i will be able to intercept one of his TFs.

Grace enter production. I switch two N1K2 George and 2 more B6N2 factories to it.
I will produce 150+ of them.

J2M5 will enter production in 9 days. Navy figter production in next 5-6 months will look like that:

140 A6M5b (from June M5c)
150 J2M5
180 N1K2

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/4/2014 8:25:34 AM

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Don't know if you've tried it as one, but as you get father on the N1K2 is a great escort too. Decent range for late game LBA and holds up well to a pounding. Those late A6M5c are pretty short range for a zero but also very good escorts for staying power with the armor and extra guns.

I'm jealous it looks like you'll play far into 45 and get to see all of the models I only barely touched on, like the J7W, and the ones I didn't get at all like the jets. Looking forward to it!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/4/2014 9:55:35 AM

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Don't know if you've tried it as one, but as you get father on the N1K2 is a great escort too. Decent range for late game LBA and holds up well to a pounding. Those late A6M5c are pretty short range for a zero but also very good escorts for staying power with the armor and extra guns.

I'm jealous it looks like you'll play far into 45 and get to see all of the models I only barely touched on, like the J7W, and the ones I didn't get at all like the jets. Looking forward to it!

I will little disappoint You with Jets. I dont have sing1le R&D factory for them.
R&D plan from beginning was to focus on late war conventional planes to have them asap.
Jets in my opinion even with r&d will arrive to late to change war and risk of factories being destroyed by B-29, ergo waste of supplies, is to big.

Instead I focus on Ki-84r, Ki-83 for army,and N1K, J2M, J7W and M7A2 for navy

Ki-84r is already on line Ki-83 i hope will be in end of 1944.
N1K2 and J2M5 fighters are also on line, Sam will enter production before 1944 ends, and J7W and beginning of 1945.

When A7M2 enter production i will stop building A6M5. I am building Zero only for KB so with SAM i will not need them. Actualy i only building enough Zero to be able replace ~150% of KB needs.

I have 900 N1K2 in pools. Still building 180/monthly so for sure they will be used deep inside 1945.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/4/2014 12:45:52 PM

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My jet R n D was pretty light IIRC. I think two x 10 factories, but I would have had them in November or maybe October 45. Of course they likely would have been wiped by the B-29s as you say.

It's a sensible approach, but once you're finished with al of the ones you know you need you should throw a bit into the very late war stuff to pouch it up a month or two for fun!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/5/2014 9:55:53 AM

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My jet R n D was pretty light IIRC. I think two x 10 factories, but I would have had them in November or maybe October 45. Of course they likely would have been wiped by the B-29s as you say.

It's a sensible approach, but once you're finished with al of the ones you know you need you should throw a bit into the very late war stuff to pouch it up a month or two for fun!

I can promise You that if supply situation will be decent i will do some R&D of K-201 and maybe Kika

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/6/2014 6:45:37 AM

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1-2 May 1944

Burma
3xDD TF (British Q class) sunk 4 Es south of Rangoon. Om morning P1Y2 attack them but Docup have LCAP. 15 bombers lost.

East Oz
TF that looks like CVE TF show up North of Cook town. Destination unknown

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/6/2014 3:52:59 PM

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I have off topic question

Today I open Netflix account. It is still not officially available in Poland but few tricks and Netflix is officially see me and my PC as 90210 Beverly Hills citizen.

For 8$/month it allowing me to watch almost all TV shows and movies i want.
Any of You is using Netflix. If Yes is this is worth of paying 7,99$ for month access. And maybe better is to pay 8,99 for HD version?

I still have month for free to decide if I want to use it or not.

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I love it. We got it about two months ago and it works so much better than the other services in the UK at least. I used it when I was in the states and it was CDs and I loved it then too.

Watch House of Cards immediately!! Just finished the second season. Great show!!

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/6/2014 5:56:12 PM

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Watch House of Cards immediately!! Just finished the second season. Great show!!

Main reason why I open account.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/6/2014 7:41:06 PM

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Watch House of Cards immediately!! Just finished the second season. Great show!!

Main reason why I open account.

We had a marathon three episode evening last night and finished it! Now I'm lost and forlorn!

Might try Orange is the New Black next, and I haven' seen Boardwalk Empire either, so a few to think about next. Any other recommendations?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 7/7/2014 5:07:27 AM

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Might try Orange is the New Black next

Saw last day first 3 minutes of it to check video quality. Lot of nude girls.
Can say nothing about show quality.

I saw Mad Men first season lats year in cable. It was great. So i will continue it. And You can try it.
Walking Death is good also, And i don`t saw but hear they are good: Penny Dreadful, Masters of Sex, Breaking Bad, The Good Wife, True Detective, Fargo,

Don`t know how many of them is avaible on Netflix

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