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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/22/2014 10:20:34 AM

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Attention, Attention.
Dont know how but (edit:few days days ago Kwangchowan switch to allies. Base have lvl 2 AF and by game is not considered as part of china. There is no other base that can triger kamikaze)

KAMIKAZE ARE ACTIVATED

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/22/2014 10:41:32 AM

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Imagine if the fighter-bomber version of George was present in the game with its 4 x 250kg bombload. Would have made a great kamikaze plane.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/22/2014 12:25:47 PM

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Here we go!!!

Should be fun for you now.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/22/2014 1:32:02 PM

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Here we go!!!

Should be fun for you now.

I change two army bomber groups to kamikaze. I will use them tomorrow against ships that show up today near Rangoon. I will not convert more, to early i think.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/23/2014 7:10:17 AM

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8 August

Burma
LBA launch against ships south of Rangoon. Sadly 80% of planes stay on ground or was unable to find targets. Enemy ships are protected by ~200 plane CAP. Mostly Hellcats.

I start believing this is not major invasion force at lest so far dont llok like that(almost no troop caring ships). Instead of moving toward target Docup is keeping them south-west of Rangoon. There is at lest one BB in his forces but i will not name that major force. Probably something like 8 CVE, CA or BB TF lot of DDs. I believe it is huge resupply mission to Rangoon, attempt to test Japanese defense in area or attempt to attract attention of KB and LBA forces. I am betting option 1 or 3

Just in case KB in Pacific is warming engines but not against Burma TF but against potential Pacific landing.

I lost 55 planes in those attacks.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 50,55

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 22
Ki-84r Frank x 35

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 35
Hellcat I x 7
Wildcat V x 14
FM-2 Wildcat x 18
F6F-3 Hellcat x 108

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 11 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Triona
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 50,55

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 114 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 4

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 35
Hellcat I x 7
Wildcat V x 14
FM-2 Wildcat x 18
F6F-3 Hellcat x 105

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 50,55

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 34
Hellcat I x 7
Wildcat V x 13
FM-2 Wildcat x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hellcat I: 1 destroyed
Wildcat V: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Valiant

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/26/2014 4:43:23 AM

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9 August 1944

We had sync bug. Personaly i prefer Allied version. According to Docup he saw him losing CVE, another CVE in sinking condition and few bigger ships also damage. But non of that happens.

Burma
So it looks that target is Port Blair. Entire allied fleet is now in Port Blair hex. Strangely no landing, naval or air bombardments. Nothing. Only CAP and sweeps.
Again most of bombers because of weather stay on ground and those that fly show how coordinated attack should not look.

Days start with Kamikaze flying against small TF near Moulmein. I am happy with result. Conventional attack in such weather probably will end with 0 hits.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Moulmein at 54,56

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12
Ki-84r Frank x 35

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 9
Hurricane IIc Trop x 9
A-36 Mustang x 15
P-38H Lightning x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 2 destroyed
A-36 Mustang: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
AM Kyber, Kamikaze hits 2, and is sunk
AM Bihar, Kamikaze hits 1, and is sunk
AM Lismore, Kamikaze hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-49-IIa Helen flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 16000 feet

Later some TB attack ships in Port Blair. ~100 bomber lunch to attack but only one wave ( 10 bomber

and 90 fighters) arrive with escort. Others arrive without escort and where slaughtered. In total 90 bomber and 40 fighters lost. Lucky most of pilots is only WIA.

B7A2 have his combat baptism, They attack smal LST TF near Ramree Island

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 91 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 21
N1K2-J George x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
LST 160, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST 239
LST-27, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
LST 157
LST 163
LST 214, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x B7A2 Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

I have big hopes for tomorrow.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/27/2014 4:56:41 AM

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Burma
Whether is against me.
From over 350 bombers i had ordered to strike against Port Blair only 100 fly.
Worts, bad weather again spreed my bombers all over and half of bombers arrive uncoordinated.
At lest this time we his something.
It can be good day if more waves of bombers arrive they might actually get trough CAP. Last wave of bomber was only intercepted by lees that 40 fighters and most of them was out of position. During day Japan lost 125 planes (30 pilots KIA, 50 WIA)

Allied troops don land on beaches of Port Blair. Docup was not happy with it, he mess with settings. Or he want to think me that.

4E visit Akyab destroying 30 planes on ground and closing AF

During entire day we score one hit. P1Y2 damaged from flak decide to crash in to CVE.
Armor penetrated plus Ammo explosion. Docup confirm that CVE is in sinking condition.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 46,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 33 where are escorts

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 29
Hellcat I x 14
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
F4U-1A Corsair x 16
F6F-3 Hellcat x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 2 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVL Unicorn
CVE St. Lo
CVE Begum
CVE Tulagi, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P1Y2 Frances bombing from 2000 feet * they should fly with TT
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Tomorrow i will try again. Fresh units arriving, old moved to Manila are resting and taking replacements.
So far 3 days of combat cost me ~350 planes (over 100 pilots KIA, 100 WIA) allies lost 3xLCT, 3xAM, and probably CVE

Good side of that is that i am fighting over own base so most pilots will return to combat sooner or later

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/27/2014 5:53:25 AM

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Importance of Port Blair.

I try to find why Docup is landing in Port Blair.
In short term it not changing balance in region. I long term that give AF lvl 8 to Alliance. So he can operate 4E from there. Also it can be good support base to potential landing in Malaya coast.

There is also possibility that it is attempt to force me to move KB to area and opening Pacific for him.(I will not do that). So if he already there why not capture PB as bonus.

Any other ideas??

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/27/2014 10:37:28 AM

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Importance of Port Blair.

Any other ideas??

How about because he is timid and needs to build confidence after the mauling you have given him.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/27/2014 10:43:33 AM

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Importance of Port Blair.

Any other ideas??

How about because he is timid and needs to build confidence after the mauling you have given him.

His troops must be very scared because second day they refuse to land on beaches

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/28/2014 4:58:28 AM

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Burma
Not a single bomber fly against invasion forces. Don`t know why. Weather was decent.
Finally Allied troops land in Port Blair. Indian ID, Indian IB and Base Forces - 600AV total. I have 250 AV in 2x terrain behind fort 5. Supply are low but as son and enemy CVEs retreat i will start air lifting them.

It looks that CVE Tulagi sunk, sinking sound heard both game and tracker show it as sunk near Little Andaman plus i see small TF dispatched from invasion force and moving north-west. Probably escort for Tulagi

DEI
D4Y1 from Ternate sunk xAK trying to unload supplies in dot base north of Boela

Wake
I move DD close to island. Destroyer was atacked by 30 DB. all miss

Mini KB
Ships are sailing to meet with KB. I have plan to use CVEs as forward guard in next battle. O hope at lest some bombers will go for them instead for KB. They will send over 120 fighters in air.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/28/2014 8:33:30 AM

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Gee, that's not enough under those circumstances. He should have brought a proper big hammer : Bomb the hell out of the base for 2 days with BBs, CV air and LBA, to soften it up. He is brave to continue the fight, but he isn't always helping himself.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/28/2014 9:10:35 AM

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Gee, that's not enough under those circumstances. He should have brought a proper big hammer : Bomb the hell out of the base for 2 days with BBs, CV air and LBA, to soften it up. He is brave to continue the fight, but he isn't always helping himself.

You are absolutely right i can do that, but i will not.
Only LBA will fight there. I cant sent there major naval forces because i believe seconds after i will revile KB in that area Docup will move in Pacific.
It is 8/44, I can afford losing Port Blair but fighting for it will give Allied window to land in Pacific and that will be bigger problem for me than Port Blair.

Also forces he using there - only 6-8 CVE, 1-2 BB, few CLs lot of destroyers but no CAs and lack of AKA,APA ships. Also he not moving fast, 2 days to travel 8 hex distance, 3 days to unload, everything is suggesting that this move is a trap for KB and capturing of PB is only bonus.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/29/2014 11:18:23 AM

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12 August 44

Burma
Coordination is PITA. Even if i get good escort number they fly with 20 or less bombers.
I lost this turn 200 planes but i probably sunk another CVE and another is damaged.
Time to rest for day or two. Almost 500 planes lost in 4 days.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 46,58

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 26
Ki-84r Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 16
Hellcat I x 10
FM-2 Wildcat x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 5
F6F-3 Hellcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 10 destroyed, 3 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Savo Island
CVL Unicorn
CVE Shah, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 46,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 94 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 4
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 23
Ki-84r Frank x 61

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 11
Hellcat I x 11
FM-2 Wildcat x 5
F4U-1A Corsair x 5
F6F-3 Hellcat x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 14 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
Hellcat I: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Ranee
CVE Begum, Kamikaze hits 1
CVE Kalinin Bay
CVE Wake Island
CVE Marcus Island

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/29/2014 3:48:17 PM

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Coordination is PITA.

I sympathize!

What size is the airbase your are flying from?

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/29/2014 3:58:45 PM

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Coordination is PITA.

I sympathize!

What size is the airbase your are flying from?

Bangkok lvl 9
Moulmein lvl 8
Victoria Point lvl 6
Tavoy lvl 5
Rahaeng lvl 6

I try to not overstock AF. I have enough or almost enough AV support. Al AF have Air HQ or are in HQ range.

But i believe it is how it should be since beta changes. I also attacking on almost maximal escort range 10-12 hex. Also I believe weather is big factor. I am struggling with storms all over area. In last 5 days planes fly only 3 time and newer all of them. Big number return to base because they where unable to find targets or because of weather. Two times non of bombers fly during both AM and PM phase

For cost of 500 planes, 200 pilots KIA and 200 WIA i sunk 2xCVE, 3xLCT, 3xAM and i damage 1xCVE. High price.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/29/2014 7:04:23 PM

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At this point of war you do not need sunk his ships. Every damaged ship bigger than DD/CL ship will be disabled to end of game anyway.
Mixing navy with army a/c will reduce badly chance for coordination strike either.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/30/2014 6:37:02 AM

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Mixing navy with army a/c will reduce badly chance for coordination strike either.

I believe You are partially wrong. It is no navy-army type problem. I think for game engine it is irrelevant. Most likely it is becoouse navy and army planes have much small difference in cruise speed.

Army:
Ki-43 - 273
Ki-44 - 249
Ki-45 - 232
Ki-84 - 277

Ki-49 - 217
Ki-67 - 249

Navy:
A6M5 - 230
N1K2 - 230
A7M2 - 259

B6N2 - 207
B7A2 - 250
P1Y2 - 230
D4Y4 - 230

I see two groups how planes should cooperate

Group 1 - speed delta 23mph
Ki-45 - 232
N1K2 - 230
A6M5 - 230

Ki-49 - 217
B6N2 - 207
P1Y2 - 230
D4Y4 - 230

I we remove B6N2 from group 1 we are able to reduce cruise difference to 15mph

Group 2 - speed delta 10mph
Ki-44 - 249
A7M2 - 259

B7A2 - 250
Ki-67 - 249

If we decide that magic number for cruise speed is 230mph, we already see that Ki-43 and Ki-84 are not best escort planes at lest not for group 1, maybe for group 2

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/30/2014 6:58:07 AM

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13 August 1944

Burma
Invasion fleet retreat north out of bomber range
Troops on ground attack. We hold but i lost 50% AV. I don`t think i will hold more that day or two. Supplies are in red.

R&D
A7M2 advance to 12/44

Japan
Home Islands supplies reach 2,1M. I have plan to have at end of Year ~3-3,5M

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/30/2014 12:02:14 PM

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I believe You are partially wrong. It is no navy-army type problem. I think for game engine it is irrelevant. Most likely it is becoouse navy and army planes have much small difference in cruise speed.

I know (some) people keep saying stuff like speed effect coordination. But as you know I have tested this extensively and I have never seen even the slightest indication that speed will have any impact whatsoever on coordination.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 11/30/2014 12:24:34 PM

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Mixing navy with army a/c will reduce badly chance for coordination strike either.

I believe You are partially wrong. It is no navy-army type problem. I think for game engine it is irrelevant. Most likely it is becoouse navy and army planes have much small difference in cruise speed.

Army:
Ki-43 - 273
Ki-44 - 249
Ki-45 - 232
Ki-84 - 277

Ki-49 - 217
Ki-67 - 249

Navy:
A6M5 - 230
N1K2 - 230
A7M2 - 259

B6N2 - 207
B7A2 - 250
P1Y2 - 230
D4Y4 - 230

I see two groups how planes should cooperate

Group 1 - speed delta 23mph
Ki-45 - 232
N1K2 - 230
A6M5 - 230

Ki-49 - 217
B6N2 - 207
P1Y2 - 230
D4Y4 - 230

I we remove B6N2 from group 1 we are able to reduce cruise difference to 15mph

Group 2 - speed delta 10mph
Ki-44 - 249
A7M2 - 259

B7A2 - 250
Ki-67 - 249

If we decide that magic number for cruise speed is 230mph, we already see that Ki-43 and Ki-84 are not best escort planes at lest not for group 1, maybe for group 2

I should be more detailed. I had in my mind cruise speed difference between army and navy lines.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/1/2014 4:37:51 AM

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Mixing navy with army a/c will reduce badly chance for coordination strike either.

I believe You are partially wrong. It is no navy-army type problem. I think for game engine it is irrelevant. Most likely it is becoouse navy and army planes have much small difference in cruise speed.

Army:
Ki-43 - 273
Ki-44 - 249
Ki-45 - 232
Ki-84 - 277

Ki-49 - 217
Ki-67 - 249

Navy:
A6M5 - 230
N1K2 - 230
A7M2 - 259

B6N2 - 207
B7A2 - 250
P1Y2 - 230
D4Y4 - 230

I see two groups how planes should cooperate

Group 1 - speed delta 23mph
Ki-45 - 232
N1K2 - 230
A6M5 - 230

Ki-49 - 217
B6N2 - 207
P1Y2 - 230
D4Y4 - 230

I we remove B6N2 from group 1 we are able to reduce cruise difference to 15mph

Group 2 - speed delta 10mph
Ki-44 - 249
A7M2 - 259

B7A2 - 250
Ki-67 - 249

If we decide that magic number for cruise speed is 230mph, we already see that Ki-43 and Ki-84 are not best escort planes at lest not for group 1, maybe for group 2

I should be more detailed. I had in my mind cruise speed difference between army and navy lines.

I see we have two sides that one is about cruise speed theory and second side is against.
JocMeister maybe You did not see in your tests any impact of cruise speed on coordination, but personally i am wiling to believe that this is one of that small things that have impact. Maybe not major one, we have weather, AF size, AV numbers, XP of pilots, distance, luck but somewhere between them there is place for cruise speed.
I also not negating Your experience but after last turns failure with coordination i willing to try everything.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/1/2014 4:49:30 AM

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14-15 August 1944

Burma.
Two quiet turns. Allies retreating toward Calcutta. On ground they reducing Japanise garrison. I think tomorrow PB will fall.

KB
2 more CAs, CL and 5 DD join KB. I am waiting only for MKB to join fleet.

Damaged CA
I have heavily damaged CA in one of small bases in Malaya cost. If i will not be able to get it to Singer in 4-8 weeks i will scuttle it. Probable time to repair can be 6 months.
Ship already is out of service since May.

CV Hiyo
In dry dock in Japan. 50 days of repairs. In total (together will travel) i will close repair time in 80 days. After 2xTT hit i will say really fast.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/3/2014 4:35:40 AM

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16 August 1944

Burma
Port Blair hold another attack. Japanese AV reduced to 10AV.
Docup attack in jungle hex with ID against Japan Inf Brigade.

Ambon area
Japanese fighters back to Ambon. After month i finally manage to repair runway and 75% of infrastructure. From tomorrow 140 fighters supported by 150 from base 40nm north will be waiting for allies.

Ki-43 Oscar first time fly as kamikaze. 8 fighters attack small cargo convoy leveeing 2 cargo ships burning.

Pacific
I trying to resupply Eniwetok. After weeks of bombardments they are out of supplies.
I believe Eniwetok can be next allied landing. It is good place to test atoll landing.
Only 200AV garrison, constantly bombarded from air. I think i will move KB closer.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/3/2014 9:34:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: koniu

12 August 44

Burma
Coordination is PITA. Even if i get good escort number they fly with 20 or less bombers.
I lost this turn 200 planes but i probably sunk another CVE and another is damaged.
Time to rest for day or two. Almost 500 planes lost in 4 days.

quote:

ORIGINAL: koniu
I try to not overstock AF. I have enough or almost enough AV support. Al AF have Air HQ or are in HQ range.

But i believe it is how it should be since beta changes. I also attacking on almost maximal escort range 10-12 hex. Also I believe weather is big factor. I am struggling with storms all over area. In last 5 days planes fly only 3 time and newer all of them. Big number return to base because they where unable to find targets or because of weather. Two times non of bombers fly during both AM and PM phase

For cost of 500 planes, 200 pilots KIA and 200 WIA i sunk 2xCVE, 3xLCT, 3xAM and i damage 1xCVE. High price.

This is my experience with LBA late. When you do get them there it's great, but the KB is really your best tool for damaging or taking out an invasion due to the better coordination.

Your speed lists are potentially interesting, but the facts as I have seen them show that coordination is good with KB launched strikes using widely differing cruise speeds, while with LBA they are not. Maybe it's the HQ leaders, maybe the group leaders, weather, different bases working together, but if I take the same planes off of the CVs and throw them into one level 9 base the coordination is much worse than from the KB CVs.

I'm with Jocke here in that it just seems something we don't have enough info about to prove there is a connection between cruise speed and coordination. I've seen players argue vehemently that there is a connection, but I haven't seen tests to prove it. That's what will convince me one way or another.

What I would try is to set planes at different altitudes with their own dedicated escorts at those altitudes. maybe you're doing that, but it seemed one of the only ways to get this to work a bit. You might also have to have 3x the number of escorts as bombers to be confident they're going to have protection. When you do I've even seen some of the fighters then change to sweep missions against the CV CAP with bombers coming in after. That often works well.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/4/2014 4:45:27 AM

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17 August 1944

Burma
PB fall today. After 5 days long siege Allies capture base.
Samurais fight to last soldier.

Ground combat at Port Blair (46,58)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 12785 troops, 289 guns, 123 vehicles, Assault Value = 539

Defending force 4083 troops, 69 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 4

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 115

Japanese adjusted defense: 35

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Port Blair !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
432 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (17 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
19th Indian Division
99th Indian Brigade
118th RAF Base Force
20th USN Naval Construction Battalion
113th RN Base Force

Defending units:
Yokosuka 4th SNLF
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
18th JNAF AF Unit

East of Chiang Mai allies try to go around my right wing. I am blocking them with single Inf Brigade. So far with luck.
ID is moving with help. But it will take at lest week

Ground combat at 61,53 (near Chiang Mai)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3100 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 524

Defending force 3295 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 121

Allied adjusted assault: 102

Japanese adjusted defense: 325

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
225 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Ambon
As suspected allies try to close Ambon again. This time my boys where waiting. Over 200 Japanese fighters on CAP.
Day start with sweeps of F4U, P-47 and Spitfires VIII. After them over 130 unescorted Liberators.
It go well. Allies lost 28 fighters 14xP-47, 12xF4U, 2xSpit and 28 Liberators.
Japanese loses are 62 fighters and 19 pilots KIA and 19 WIA

Morale is high - above 80 but tomorrow fresh groups will wait for them. I am also sending CA SAG to protect Ambon from potential naval bombardment. Also Ambon have now Special Base Force with over 20 CD guns (150mm and 120mm guns)

Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 65
Ki-84r Frank x 125

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 6 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 53
Ki-84r Frank x 116

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 45
Ki-84r Frank x 92

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 41
Ki-84r Frank x 68

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 38
Ki-84r Frank x 63

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 37
Ki-84r Frank x 59

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 27
B-24J Liberator x 51

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-84r Frank x 42

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 15
B-24J Liberator x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Banzai! - Kumagaya H. in a N1K2-J George rams a B-24D1 Liberator for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 26

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1

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Morning Air attack on Ambon , at 76,109

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/7/2014 7:04:41 AM

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18,19,20 August 1944

18 and 19 August where quiet. Allies as usually bombing Tarawa and Eniwetok. From good news is that i manage to unload some supplies in Eniwetok and at lest flak is firing to bombers. Other areas where quiet.

Big things happen in 20 August in Burma

20 August - Burma
After PB invasion Docup don`t retreat CVE TF north but he for last 4 days keep them in Ramree Island hex. 120 CV fighters and ~120 LBA fighters give him feeling of safe.
I am suspecting his defense tactic base on Rangoon TFs. He probably think that i will not send bombers because most of them will go toward Rangoon and in Rangoon he have 800 fighters CAP

.

It took me almost 1h to set up everything.
Only search zone was 10 degree from Chiang Mai covering only Ramree Island, plus i add reckon planes to reckon Ramree Island as they usually also detecting TFs in hex.

300 bombers with escort of 200 fighters where based in Chiang Mai and Rahaeng.
400 fighters (Ki-84r and J2M5) where based in Moulmein.

Plan was to crash Allied CAP over Ramree Island and bombers should fly against CVE TF unopposed.
It was almost success. Sadly Only one figter sweep arrive before bombers. Bad luck. Still we score some hits. At lest i crash CVE air groups. Docup will have to retreat carriers north. Also i believe i sunk two CVE and another one was damaged.

Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 102 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 44

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 17
Hellcat I x 7
Seafire IIC x 16
P-40N5 Warhawk x 25
P-40N26 Warhawk x 16
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
F6F-3 Hellcat x 92

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 90 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 30
D4Y4 Judy x 33
N1K1-J George x 26
N1K2-J George x 13
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 36

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 17
Hellcat I x 7
Seafire IIC x 16
P-40N5 Warhawk x 25
P-40N26 Warhawk x 14
FM-2 Wildcat x 10
F6F-3 Hellcat x 83

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
N1K1-J George: 9 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Marcus Island, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (ammo explosion, 500kg bomb hit)
CVE Ranee
xAP Golden Gate
CVE Wake Island
CVL Unicorn
CVE Gambier Bay
CVE Savo Island

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 25
P1Y2 Frances x 18

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 11
Hellcat I x 7
Seafire IIC x 14
P-40N5 Warhawk x 22
P-40N26 Warhawk x 13
FM-2 Wildcat x 4
F6F-3 Hellcat x 59

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
P1Y2 Frances: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 27

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 8
Hellcat I x 6
Seafire IIC x 10
P-40N5 Warhawk x 17
P-40N26 Warhawk x 10
FM-2 Wildcat x 4
F6F-3 Hellcat x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27 - kamikaze

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 6
Hellcat I x 5
Seafire IIC x 6
P-40N5 Warhawk x 13
P-40N26 Warhawk x 8
FM-2 Wildcat x 4
F6F-3 Hellcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE St. Lo

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Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 155 NM, estimated altitude 42,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 183

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 5
Hellcat I x 1
Seafire IIC x 3
P-40N5 Warhawk x 9
P-40N26 Warhawk x 4
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
F6F-3 Hellcat x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 2 destroyed
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 2 destroyed
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 8 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 154 NM, estimated altitude 38,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 96

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 1
Hellcat I x 1
P-40N5 Warhawk x 1
P-40N26 Warhawk x 3
FM-2 Wildcat x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 87 NM, estimated altitude 42,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 48

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 1
Hellcat I x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 19 - kamikaze

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
LST-30
CVE Wake Island
LST-29
LST-343
LST-32
CVE Ranee, Kamikaze hits 1 - internal explosion

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 6

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Savo Island
CVE St. Lo, Torpedo hits 2 - fuel explosion

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 22
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 19
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 4

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 6
Hellcat I x 7
Seafire IIC x 6
P-40N5 Warhawk x 7
P-40N26 Warhawk x 3
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
F6F-3 Hellcat x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 12 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40N26 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Unicorn
CVE St. Lo, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage - critical damaged
CVE Kalinin Bay
CVE Gambier Bay

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21 August 1944

Burma
After last battle Japanese pilots are resting.
But enemy newer sleep. Allied troops push me out from hex 120 miles east of Chiang Mai. Lucky my boys retreat in good direction and now are in hex together with fresh ID. They will rest now. They fight well and buy me month of more time there

Ground combat at 61,53 (near Chiang Mai)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21673 troops, 307 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 897

Defending force 3284 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 119

Allied adjusted assault: 600

Japanese adjusted defense: 58

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1109 casualties reported
Squads: 41 destroyed, 71 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (5 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
188 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
28th (East African) Brigade
475th USA Regiment
Lushai Brigade
81st (West African) Division
8th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
143rd Infantry Regiment

Rabaul
CA eat two TT. Damage is heavy but i think i will be able to save ship. I suspecting 60 days of repairs in drydock.

ASW attack near Rabaul at 106,125

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
DD Yukaze
DD Numakaze

Allied Ships
SS KXVIII, hits 1

R&D
Ki-115b advance to 10/45
A7M2 advance to 11/44 - i will start producing it in 15 days

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/13/2014 10:31:34 AM

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22,23,24 August 1944

Burma
Docup find that one of his division size force is blocked only by 70AV force. It took him over month to find that

. He attack two times but my boys holding line.

I test fighters as anti MGB weapon. It go well.
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Moulmein at 55,55

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
MGB No. 200, Shell hits 5, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
MGB No. 202, Shell hits 5, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
MGB No. 303, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
MGB No. 201, Shell hits 8, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
MGB No. 245, Shell hits 2, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
49 x Ki-84r Frank bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Kamikaze
Ships confirmed being sunk by kamikaze in first 3 weeks of using that weapon.

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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J) - 12/14/2014 7:07:40 AM

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25 August 1944

Burma
Empire strike back in Burma
One of allied units that moving toward Chiang Chiang Mai enter Japanise position before main body. Japan don`t hesitate and attack. 150 2E soften anamy position. As experiment a150 Ki-84 bombard with 250kg bombs.

Morning Air attack on 46th Indian Brigade, at 57,53 , near Chiang Mai

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
49 x Ki-84r Frank bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Ground combat at 57,53 (near Chiang Mai)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 31613 troops, 340 guns, 510 vehicles, Assault Value = 1053

Defending force 2847 troops, 36 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 121

Japanese adjusted assault: 675

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 96 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
168 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1229 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 90 disabled
Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 15 (4 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
28th Division
48th Division
2nd Tank/C Division

Defending units:
46th Indian Brigade

Salomon Sea
Allied troops land on Namatanai (east of Rabaul). I don`t saw them coming. I have 40 search planes in area and i see nothing.
Action start with enemy TF visiting Rabaul hex. They clean water in area but not bombard base. That good. Tomorrow i will send combat SAG to protect Rabaul waters. Allied troops unload in Namatanai dot base. I have no troops there and that why i see my chance to hit allies.
I believe base will auto switch to allied hands so sweep will be possible on morning. Ki-84 will try to negate allied CVE CAP and bombers should hit CVE TF hard. We will see. If not my bombers will be decimated by CAP.

Don`t know what troop land in Namatanai but it not go well. Also i belive final target is Kavieng.

I am moving KB on sea

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 106,125, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Tarayasu Maru, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Callaghan
DD Caperton
DD Capps
DD Charrette
DD Chauncey
DD Chevalier
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 106,125, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMc Fumi Maru #2, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
BB Massachusetts
BB Alabama
DD Bache
DD Charles Badger
DD Bell
DD Bennion
DD Black
DD Bradford
DD Clarence Bronson
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Amphibious Assault at Namatanai (107,125)

TF 59 troops unloading over beach at Namatanai, 107,125

Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 188 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 73 (0 destroyed, 73 disabled)
Vehicles lost 213 (1 destroyed, 212 disabled)

Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 766th Tank Bn /2

< Message edited by koniu -- 12/14/2014 8:09:31 AM >

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