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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/28/2011 9:30:16 PM

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About CV Bearn, if you pick the CV it can give the U.S. a not so bad CV when it enters the war with Japan. Of course, we know U.S. have great carriers but the best ones appears later in the game and having the CV Bearn in 1942 can be helpful, there are not so many U.S. carriers present in 1942 and Japan has the advantage for a time being.

For the TRS option, of course it gives a TRS on map it's great, but it does not add to the force pool.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/28/2011 10:42:42 PM

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US entry option
4. Intern French CV - You can only choose this entry option if the French CV �Bearn� is on the map and Paris is Allied controlled.

You can either:
Remove the French CV from the game and put a random US TRS from the force pool on to the production circle to arrive as a reinforcement next turn; or
Put the French CV in the construction pool. It is a US unit for the rest of the game.

CV B�arn 1 attack, 7 defense, 1 anti-aircraft, move 4, range 3, yellow 2

CV B�arn allowable US aircraft:
1939 F3F, BF2C Goshawk, SBC-4 Helldiver
1940 F4F-3 Wildcat, TBD Devastator, SBC-4 Helldiver

Note: with the exception of the F4F-3 Wildcat and TBD Devastator all the aircraft are biplanes.

1x TRS 0 attack, 5 defense, 0 anti-aircraft, move 3, range 2
2x TRS 0 attack, 5 defense, 0 anti-aircraft, move 3, range 3
1x TRS 0 attack, 5 defense, 1 anti-aircraft, move 3, range 3

2x TRS 0 attack, 5 defense, 0 anti-aircraft, move 4, range 3
3x TRS 0 attack, 5 defense, 1 anti-aircraft, move 4, range 3
3x TRS 0 attack, 5 defense, 0 anti-aircraft, move 4, range 4
2x TRS 0 attack, 5 defense, 1 anti-aircraft, move 4, range 4

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Subtract 2 from each die roll if any on-map French CVs or BBs are not currently in a Metropolitan French port.

If the US entry option 4. Intern French CV is chosen it becomes a US unit and is exempt from the �2 for not being in a Metropolitan French port just like sunken BB�s.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/28/2011 10:53:00 PM

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IMO it has more value to trade in for a TRS. Either way, it definitely needs to be done before France is Vichied. The sequence of play allows you to wait until an end of turn where the axis is in Paris.

OTOH you need to get a Tension chit in on both sides to have a hope of gearing up next turn, and the difference in production is worth more than one TRS. So if you pick options solely against one side you have the best chance of getting a Tension chit moved on each, but my gut feel is that the odds of success for gear-up next turn doing that are less than 50%.

So if it were my decision, I'd try for the two Tension chits and if it works, forget about the Bearn and gear-up next turn. If it doesn't work then intern the Bearn next turn.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/28/2011 11:59:44 PM

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I like the slow CVs to sail out with the BB groups.....so I re-build the Bearn as the USA. It is also nice to have in Pearl Harbor if the Japanese actually do climb Mount Tanaka in your game...

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 12:41:35 AM

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I just skimmed through all the combat results posted....the Germans are averaging 6.6 on land combat rolls with only a couple 3s and no 1s or 2s. With I forget how many impulses of Fine weather in the North Temerate in 1939, that is quite a winning combo of luck. So France may be due for some of that to swing their way.....

A good French move when things are falling apart is to rail move a factory to Bordeaux....or even more than one. In case the Germans decline Vichy...

with Defensive Shore Bombardment in play, the BEF should be perfectly safe sheltering under the cover of the Home Fleet anywhere on the coast. I'd send Wavell to Bordeaux too, though the Queens can't get that job done.

The Russians need to operate in Realpolitik mode in WiF and prioritize their threats. The real Stalin almost waited too long to bring the Siberian Army back to Russia...

The Japanese are averaging 6.4 on their land combat rolls, which are more critical for them as they attack fewer times. I've always thought that if you could collect the data points from a whole lot of games of WiF, you could easily correlate Japanese map position in China to their land combat dice result average...

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 7:09:15 AM

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I like the slow CVs to sail out with the BB groups.....so I re-build the Bearn as the USA. It is also nice to have in Pearl Harbor if the Japanese actually do climb Mount Tanaka in your game...

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 9:57:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

IMO it has more value to trade in for a TRS. Either way, it definitely needs to be done before France is Vichied. The sequence of play allows you to wait until an end of turn where the axis is in Paris.

OTOH you need to get a Tension chit in on both sides to have a hope of gearing up next turn, and the difference in production is worth more than one TRS. So if you pick options solely against one side you have the best chance of getting a Tension chit moved on each, but my gut feel is that the odds of success for gear-up next turn doing that are less than 50%.

So if it were my decision, I'd try for the two Tension chits and if it works, forget about the Bearn and gear-up next turn. If it doesn't work then intern the Bearn next turn.

Paul, doesn't Paris need to be French-controlled in order to chose the Option 4 to intern the CV Bearn?

I do agree, though, that the two tension chits are probably more important than an extra CV or TRS on map at this point for the US.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 10:01:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

I just skimmed through all the combat results posted....the Germans are averaging 6.6 on land combat rolls with only a couple 3s and no 1s or 2s. With I forget how many impulses of Fine weather in the North Temerate in 1939, that is quite a winning combo of luck. So France may be due for some of that to swing their way.....

A good French move when things are falling apart is to rail move a factory to Bordeaux....or even more than one. In case the Germans decline Vichy...

with Defensive Shore Bombardment in play, the BEF should be perfectly safe sheltering under the cover of the Home Fleet anywhere on the coast. I'd send Wavell to Bordeaux too, though the Queens can't get that job done.

The Russians need to operate in Realpolitik mode in WiF and prioritize their threats. The real Stalin almost waited too long to bring the Siberian Army back to Russia...

The Japanese are averaging 6.4 on their land combat rolls, which are more critical for them as they attack fewer times. I've always thought that if you could collect the data points from a whole lot of games of WiF, you could easily correlate Japanese map position in China to their land combat dice result average...

Hear is a look at the complete 1939 weather around the world:

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 1:10:58 PM

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Once again, the End of Turn report:

Each of the first 2 turns had about the average number of impulses, with 7 each. The Axis benefitted from good weather, but the Allies gained each time with a low die roll ending each turn early.

Here's what happened between the end of the 2nd turn and the beginning of the 3rd:

Entry Markers
USSR placed 1 marker on Defense (2161 [3])
Germany placed 2 markers on Offense (2600 [4], 980 [2])

US Entry
USA drew 1 marker to the Ge/It Entry Pool (1959 [3])
USA chooses Resources to Western Allies (Ge/It-6); USE-3 (1 chit moved, 4 of 4 [4])
USA chooses Resources to China (Ja-4); USE-2 (1 chit moved, 2 of 5 [1])

Ge/It Entry: 18
Ge/It Tension: 13
Chance of DOW: None
Ja Entry: 21
Ja Tension: 11
Chance of DOW: None

Pre-Build Scrapping
CW scrapped FTR, LND-3, 2 x CVP-1
Germany scrapped 2 x LND-3

Builds:
China (4): 2 x GARR
CW (13): 3 x MIL, 3 x CVP-1, 2 x CV(2nd)
France (4): 2 x MIL
USA (11): 1 x INF Division, 1 x GARR, 1 x AMPH(1st), 2 x CVP-1, 1 x Pilot
USSR (8): 2 x INF, 1 x Pilot
Germany (18): 1 x MTN Division, 2 x MIL, 1 x MECH Division, 1 x CV(1st), 1 x FTR-2, 1 x CVP-1, 2 x Pilot
Italy (4): 1 x SUB, 1 x NAV-3, 1 x CL(Repair)
Japan (12): 4 x MIL, 2 x CVP-0, 1 x CV(2nd), 1 x Pilot

J/F '40 Gearing Limits (above 1):
China: 3 x Infantry
CW: 4 x Infantry, 3 x Ship, 4 x Air
France: 3 x Infantry
USA: 3 x Infantry, 2 x Ship, 3 x Air, 2 x Pilot
USSR: 3 x Infantry, 2 x Pilot
Germany: 4 x Infantry, 2 x Armor, 2 x Ship, 3 x Air, 3 x Pilot
Italy: 2 x Ship, 2 x Submarine, 2 x Air
Japan: 5 x Infantry, 2 x Ship, 3 x Air, 2 x Pilot

Conquest:
Tunisia cc by Italy
Uganda cc by Italy

Factory Destruction:
Germany destroys Blue Factories in Lille (2), Lodz, Warsaw
Japan destroys Blue Factories in Canton, Shanghai

New Year Scrapping
CW scrapped LND-2, 2 x ASW Escort, 1 x GARR
France scrapped FTR-2, Replaces CL De Grasse with CVL De Grasse (Force Pool)
USSR scrapped SUB
Germany scrapped 2 x LND-3, does NOT replace BB Gneisenau
Italy scrapped 2 x CVP-1, TRS, CA Pisa

Reinforcements:
CW assigns Pilots to FTR, CVP
CW places its MIL in Glasgow, Cape Town, Auckland, FTR in London, CVP in Hull
France assigns Pilot to FTR
France places its MIL in Dakar, Bordeaux, GARR and FTR in Paris
USA places CV in Norfolk, GARR in SD
USSR assigns Pilot to LND
USSR places GARR and LND in Odessa
Germany assigns Pilots to FTR, LND
Germany places its MIL in Leipzig and Munich, LND in Stuttgart, FTR in Dusseldorf
Italy places BB in La Spezia
Japan places its MIL in Hiroshima, Nagoya, Seoul, Taihoku

Trade Agreements:
Germany modifies its Trade Agreement with Italy, adding 2 BP
France sets up Trade Agreement with China, sending 1 RP
USA sets up Trade Agreement with France, sending 1 Oil

Victory Totals
Axis: 24.5
Allies: 42.5

Initiative:
Axis wins the Initiative on a tie, 7-7

Turn 3 J/F '40

Axis wins the Initiative on a tie, 7-7
Axis chooses to move first in J/F '40
Axis Initiative +2

Things could have gone a little better for the Axis in '39, given the excellent weather (see Post #338). France would seem to be in rough shape, the CW has a decision to make regarding the BEF, and the USA got its wish -- the chance to Gear up at the start of 1940.

On the Axis side of things, they took their chances, and made some progress, but at a cost: US Entry is going to be earlier than anyone might have expected. Italy got Malta easily, but the Axis is not yet present in the Middle-East.

Here's what the world looks like at the start of the year 1940:

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 1:19:08 PM

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To start off 1940, Germany (and its friends) decided to risk taking the first impulse, figuring that even in bad weather, they'd still be able to do some damage and advance on Paris before the Allies could regroup. Turns out it was a bad risk.

The weather roll could not have been worse for the Axis. Not only did they get the worst possible weather, but it's highly likely they'll end up with the first and last impulse, which drops them back again on the Initiative track. Unless they want to spend their last O-chit, they won't even take Paris this turn (in all probability). That means the French 7-6 ARM will be coming into the game at the start of M/A '40. Germany isn't going to like that.

Here's what the Axis faces on New Year's Day:

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 1:23:26 PM

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They're cracking out the champagne in Bordeaux or wherever the French gov't has relocated to.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 1:25:52 PM

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I know you're not going to like this, because it makes no sense in game terms, but the DOW on Greece is still going to happen, for the sake of setting up the Balkan situation I want to test. I did realize, though, that like the Portugal DOW in the last game, I only need to make the DOW with Germany. The CW will have to align Greece, and all of its TRS are committed to helping out the BEF (if needed), so they won't be able to reinforce Greece just yet. Italy, already at war with the CW can go ahead and fight the Greeks.

As I said, this doesn't make much sense in game terms, but it was part of the test, so it will be tested.

For the game situation, I have no idea what this weather actual means for Axis strategy. On the one hand, it looks like trying to declare Vichy should be the top priority. On the other hand, a short winter probably means little chance of getting enough troops over to the Soviet border for a '40 Barbarossa, so the year might be better spent trying to close the Med after all.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 6:55:55 PM

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What this weather means is clear. No attacks this impulse, since the odds shifts are preventing this. German HQ's should try to move into slightly better positions to get more units in supply next turn. Now, I don't know if it is possible to rail move Von Leeb into the action (the Reims hex would be a great place). If so, you should do so, because than he is able to get the 2-6 stack in supply. If not, the front is not going to move this impulse either (and possible this whole turn...). Yes, it costs oil, but von Bock is to far away to get the total front in supply.
Are there any Italian units in supply now? If so, try to start moving slowly towards Toulouse.
In this weather, moving (how slowly it might be) is the only thing you can do. The Axis get another impulse, so don't move any units which are OOS or are going to get disorganised in this impulse. You can affort to wait for next impulse weather roll. Now, if it's snow, you're in for a race to conquer France. Any other weather?:

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 10:06:16 PM

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A very good WiF player told me once that nothing in 1939/1940 is worth asking for a re-roll, or even risking the marker moving very much by going first, as that risk is higher in the winter as you note. The reason is that the initiative can be extremely critical in Russia in 1941. A double move by the Axis can be devastating.....likewise, a double move for the Russians can be a life-saver, particularly for railing out factories. His opinion was that the most critical turn in the game to hold the initiative and move first was Sep/Oct 1941, a turn that can decide the game during a 1941 Barbarossa, and he would hope to still have the +2 or +1 for the Axis. So he would never choose to move first until the summer of 1941. He is also the only player I have ever seen who both took Gibraltar and still launched '41 Barb on M/J '41 against good Allied players, but that was mostly due to a whole lot of good weather impulses in the fall of 1940.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/29/2011 11:57:04 PM

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Bad weather and no available land attacks means sub weather for the euro axis. Yes chances of finding the convoys is smaller but it also means no air support. Too bad you didn't even spend a little tiny bit on them. You should take combines or navals to get the subs out to try for pot shots at least. With a combine GE could move the few land units it needs to and forward deploy a good number of her short ranged fighters and stukas.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/30/2011 12:21:19 AM

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A nitpick: subs take 3 turns to build in both cycles so Red Prince won't get any (even assuming he bought them right away) until next turn. Although I do hope some Axis subs are being invested in.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/30/2011 12:38:48 AM

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Germany has been busy building other things, but Italy has started its SUB building program, and Germany will soon follow.

It's too bad for Germany that the CW returned its North Sea CV fleet to Hull at the end of last turn, leaving only a holding fleet of a few CL units. A combined, or even a naval action would be worthwhile in this weather to try to take down the CVs without interference from the air. In fact, I probably will take the combined, just to clear the North Sea, if I can. The CW has its BB fleet in Gibraltar, heading for the Med, so they probably won't dare sail the CV fleet if the Germans are out there waiting for them. It isn't a strike on the convoys, but it's something.

Italy actually has some good subs that could get into the Bay of Biscay, too, so it might be worth a combined action for them, too. A lot of it is going to depend on whether or not the troops heading into Greece can actually move into those hexes.

The Germans can use their 6 land moves to take Salonica (with Bulgarian units), and get its HQs better situated.

Excellent idea.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 11/30/2011 6:41:02 AM

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IMO it has more value to trade in for a TRS. Either way, it definitely needs to be done before France is Vichied. The sequence of play allows you to wait until an end of turn where the axis is in Paris.

OTOH you need to get a Tension chit in on both sides to have a hope of gearing up next turn, and the difference in production is worth more than one TRS. So if you pick options solely against one side you have the best chance of getting a Tension chit moved on each, but my gut feel is that the odds of success for gear-up next turn doing that are less than 50%.

So if it were my decision, I'd try for the two Tension chits and if it works, forget about the Bearn and gear-up next turn. If it doesn't work then intern the Bearn next turn.

Paul, doesn't Paris need to be French-controlled in order to chose the Option 4 to intern the CV Bearn?

I do agree, though, that the two tension chits are probably more important than an extra CV or TRS on map at this point for the US.

Right - forgot about that.

Edit: Looks like the gamble of not going for the Bearn paid off though, the US should be able to gear up at the end of JF40. Amazing.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/1/2011 7:52:50 AM

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Sorry I didn't get any work done yesterday. My recovery continues, but slowly. I actually went to bed for good around 3 pm (1500) local time, so you can imagine it was a not-so-good day for me.

In response to a post about the graphics in another thread, I thought I'd add a Terrain View of the Global Map, just for kicks. The little pinkish dots are Victory Cities:
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Edit: And, yes, I do realize I've left out most of the Pacific, but I'm working with two screens, and neither is large enough to show the whole Global Map at once -- it's a very big map.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/1/2011 8:00:45 AM

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This next map is not from MWiF, and it is completely off-topic, but it is something that never happens, so I want to share it.

My home towm was the warmest city in the continental United State yesterday, at 62 degrees F (~15 C):

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/1/2011 3:02:19 PM

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The weather roll for the current impulse of Nov/Dec 2011 was obviously very low.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/1/2011 3:08:03 PM

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Wow, you even beat out Miami!

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/1/2011 3:11:53 PM

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Wow, you even beat out Miami!

I actually almost added to the original post something like: "Eat that, Miami!" but I decided against it.

I am hoping to work on the J/F '40 turn today. Don't want you to think I'm slacking off too much.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/1/2011 8:51:57 PM

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Too be honest, I just don't have the energy to do much today either. I did run the DOW sequence for the Balkans:

Germany DOW Greece (CW); USE-4 (no chit)
Japan Closed the Burma Road; USE-1 (+1 chit, 16 [1])
Germany aligns Bulgaria; USE-7 (no chit)

And the infamous '1' popped up again for the Japanese. At least it wasn't very costly.

All 3 Axis powers have chosen a Combined Action. Germany is going to sail its fleet into the North Sea to give the Brits a scare, Italy is going to pick up some troops from the homeland to deliver to the new front in Greece, and Japan is going to . . . well, I don't really know yet.

There was talk of railing one of my HQs to the front to get my OOS supply units back in, but that can't be done because of that lousy 4-1 GARR unit near Metz. However, even with the Blizzard weather, I can get at least a 5:1 attack on those scoundrels, which should let me rail an HQ next impulse, if it's still needed.

This image, by the way, is at zoom level 6, and it is a good example of why the terrain is as it is. There is just so much information being shown already using graphics, that anything more would be too much.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/2/2011 7:36:35 PM

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I didn't realize it at the start of the turn after the weather roll, but Germany was able to put more than one useful attack into action this impulse, even with a Blizzard blowing in on the attackers. Not only is the GARR near Metz going to meet his Maker, but that 5-4 INF that was a sacrifice will indeed be sacrificed. That's the attack I didn't expect to be able to make at good odds, but it will give Germany a 2nd hex next to Paris, so with any luck (which seems to have fled the Axis), Paris might actually fall before the turn ends.

In the Chinese theatre, HQ-I Yamamoto successfully provided HQ Support to get this attack up to 5:1 odds, even without having to risk a Fractional Odds roll (which now won't make any difference. (Note that the Rain does not show up on the insert map for the Land Combat Selection & Resolution form, but it is not intended to).

I'll edit the attack results in, as usual.

And the results:

Both attacks in France were Automatic, because the Germans had the choice to Blitz, and the Japanese got a little lucky with their roll. One less, and all of them would now be disorganized.

Attack on China [87, 140]: Assault, Fractional Odds .251 (Yes), Roll = 6 = */2S
Attack on France [54, 30]: Blitz, Fractional Odds .259 (Yes), Roll = Automatic = */2B
Attack on France [56, 33]: Blitz, Fractional Odds .707 (No), Roll = Automatic = */2B

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/2/2011 8:16:31 PM

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At the beginning of Impulse #5, here's the situation in France:

HQ-I Billotte is holding down Paris with 12 factors (14 vs. Armor), and there isn't much else left in the area to help out.

For the CW, HQ-I Gort is going to pull back to Ruoen and await the transport fleet to get him out of there. There's only one problem -- The Germans forced the CW holding fleet in the North Sea to abort to Plymouth. That means Gort may have to remain in France for at least two more impulses, particularly if the weather remains bad enough to prevent Naval Air Combat. The CW needs a Combined or Land Action right now to get him into position to be pulled out, and then they'll need a Naval Action to actually retrieve him. The problem is that Germany has a strong fleet in the North Sea 4 Box, and the CW can't match it without its CVP, since the majority of the heavy BBs went to Gibraltar to take on the Italians in the Med.

Some of them could get back to defend the 1 Box, and some can get to the 2 Box, which could be good enough to defend the TRS needed to take Gort back to the UK, but is it worth the risk? The next weather roll might tell, but if the CW chooses a Combined Action, it might need to move those ships now. The other option is to wait for better weather and hope Gort survives that long.

For the French, there's little to do. The GARR beneath Billotte will swap with the 6-4 INF, and I don't know if there's any other move worth making.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/2/2011 8:56:59 PM

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Unless there's some kind of French army in the reinforcement pool ("on the spiral" as us tabletop WiF:FE types would say) once the Germans eat up Paris there's really nothing stopping them from going all the way to the Spanish frontier, is there...

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/2/2011 10:23:07 PM

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Here's the bigger picture, between Paris and the Spaniards.

The French do have the 7-6 ARM on the spiral for next turn, but that's all, and not a huge help, really. If the MTN moves from Vichy to Lyons, and the MIL gets to Toulouse, then the French could make a stand, with the help of the BEF if it stays around, but even if it is hard to crack, it isn't going to be any kind of fortress defense.

Since the weather isn't looking too good, the Germans might be better off planning for a '41 Barbarossa, or even a '42, and going after Spain, Portugal, and possibly Gibraltar. That may be even more difficult, and somewhere along the way, I'll probably need to spend the last O-chit, meaning more will have to be built before taking on the Soviets.

If the MTN does make that move this impulse, it's going to disorganize them. That's risky, depending on the weather for the next impulse. The Germans can get a few LND into the Lyons area to provide Ground Support (reduced by weather) if needed.

So, it is now close to the point of the true "Choose Your Own Adventure" theme of this AAR. Vichy? or Conquest? I'll run this Allied impulse as soon as I can and give you the next weather roll information before you "have" to make a choice, but I am open to either option. If you suggest conquest, you might also recommend a new Home Country. My choice of Morocco last time seemed to be unfavorable, so something else might be better.

Expect all of this before the end of the night (on the East Coast of the USA).

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/2/2011 10:23:40 PM

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I think the French ARM will arrive next turn...

Well, Red Prince was a couple of seconds earlier...

Let's face it... Paris is going to get lost in two impulses, if you're going to strengthen there defenses. This however means, you're giving the Axis the opportunity to conquer France.
However:
You're still able to rail Georges out of the Paris area into Toulouse. This means you'll lose Paris next impulse, but you're goal should now be to prevent the conquest of France. The gaining of one impulse in defending Paris isn't going to help you at all anymore. It's dangerous to the allied cause, since you really don't want a conquered France.
The MTN can also railmove to Bordeaux. Together with the French ARM arriving next turn you've got 4 corps in that region. Not bad at all, especially if you're able to rebase you're aircraft from Paris into that area too. That is going to give you a mini army right in the mountains.
Don't move the MTN to Lyon. It is simply going to get killed there, because one unit in a hex is a lot easier to kill than two, and there isn't a possibility for assistance from the UK in the Alps.

Now, if Gort can also go into that area, things would be very nice. The possibility of the turn ending and Gort than arriving in Bayonne before Axis troops are in that area is there, so use it.

One point you mentioned is that the German Fleet is in the North Sea and that there isn't a CW Fleet able to kill them... I'm terribly sorry, but that is a mistake on you're part:
You should never commit the whole CW fleet in one area. Even without a strong force to counter any German fleet actions, there is enough left to use aggressively against the Italians. Even more, if you've moved the Pacific Fleet to Port Said last turn...
Normally, the Home Fleet I use as the CW is always staying in England and is at least of the same strength as the total German fleet. I than add at least one CV and have a NAV, to get air superiority... In Storm/Blizzard, I'll go for the Surface combat and blow those precious German ships out of the water. Admiral Reader isn't going to like that at all, so he usually stays in port...
The one thing the CW can affort to lose is BB's. The number he's got (and can repair too) is quite high, compared with both the Italian and German fleet at start.

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RE: MWiF Global War Hot-Seat (AAR) - 12/2/2011 10:37:04 PM

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In the end, I decided to bring part of the BB fleet back. I can get 8 ships, with 46 combat factors to the North Sea 1 Box. If that doesn't make the German fleet nervous about going after the transports, nothing will. The only way they'll be able to take them out is if the weather co-operates, they send a NAV out, and get some good rolls.

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